Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[nuck]

Klingberg/Domi/Bertuzzi are no harm, no foul contracts. If they don’t work out, they won’t be back.

Reaves is what it is, it doesn’t bother me, it’s such a small cap hit.

Kampf was a weird one, it was an overpay for sure.

I have thought long and hard about why Keefe was brought back after KD left and not given the axe so the GM could bring in his own guy. I believe there were differences of opinion between coach and GM and that Keefe convinced Treliving and Shanahan that he had a little different direction for the club in mind, but Dubas wouldn't give him the roster he needed. "I am actually the new guy you want because the old GM wouldn't let me run things my way. Get me some grittier players and give me a D man who can drive some offense from the right side."

I can't see any new GM coming to a club that had a winning percentage of close to .690 for the last 3 years and trying to dictate the Klinger kind of addition to the coach. He didn't seem to add those guys in 9 years with the Flames. Domi and Bert at those prices are not out of the box choices. Extending Kampf was probably coach and Shanny driven because he doesn't produce like a typical 15 minute a night guy so it otherwise would have been a safe start to making your mark for the new guy by just not resigning him. I think who the club added this year was the type of players if not the exact individuals the coach felt he needed. I think next year we will see more Tre impact after he has settled in.

 

[thusk]

Domi is what was expected I guess, will get the odd point but gets caved in, definitely expected more than a 41 point pace though.

Klingberg is being outproduced by Rielly on the PP and ES... he is what I expected, yes, overhyped offensive defenseman who is living off his name.

Kampf has been terrible possession wise on every single line, I know he can play better, but right now he looks terrible. He works well with grinders like the lines of Kerfoot/Kampf/Engvall/Mikheyev... throwing him with two skill guys, he looks lost. Throwing him with Reaves/Gregor was worse though.

Starting with Woll/Jones would have been better so far, but I still think Sammy can turn it around.

Domi/Bert are producing under my expectations, same with Sammy and maybe Kampf, but everyone else is where I expect them.



He's being force fed offensive minutes and is supposed to be an offensive weapon and Rielly is outproducing him on PP2.

He has some of the worst xGF and GF on the team.

Gio needs to babysit him, and luckily Gio still looks good otherwise Klingberg may look a lot worse.



The only harm we have with the "no harm, no foul" contracts is that these players are on our team for the year, they are playing for the team, which some of them are negative players and regardless, for a forum that complains so much about caphits, there should be some uproar that we have 15 million tied up in ineffective players.

My biggest issue with Reaves is that he plays and he is a very negative player when he is on the ice. Kampf can't be 4th line now because that line was terrible, so now we have two lines that you just pray make it out of the game even instead of one. His cap is annoying because it is an overpay by a tiny amount, but the tiny amount does not allow him to be fully buried and we will have to either run 11-7 or lose Timmins to waivers even if Reaves is sent down unless we make a move. We also gave up a better, cheaper player because we signed Reaves.

Kampf I just hope figures it out, for sure an overpay, but he is a lot better than he is showing.

40/50 pts for a player who wqs playing in a 3rd line and 2nd pp, its pretty good... sorry

Klinberg , the fact he had been outproduced by leafs best D doesn't mean hes bringing nothing... outside of rielly, amount leafs starting D. leafs had a big ZERO def who bringing offensive... thats what klinberg bring whatever if you like him or not. Yes hes making bad defensive play and whatever but hes making great offensive play too . you cant have 5 defensive D whos pretty bad on the offe sive end, thats why leafs lost last playoff...

Samsonov was #1 leafs goalie

Woll a young goalie who still have everything to prove and Jones had been an average goalie all his carreer and tampa prefer to skip unsteaud of claim jones. Thats telling a lot about how team see him around NHL. It was not an option to go with woll/jones

 

[Buds17]

Domi is what was expected I guess, will get the odd point but gets caved in, definitely expected more than a 41 point pace though.

Klingberg is being outproduced by Rielly on the PP and ES... he is what I expected, yes, overhyped offensive defenseman who is living off his name.

Kampf has been terrible possession wise on every single line, I know he can play better, but right now he looks terrible. He works well with grinders like the lines of Kerfoot/Kampf/Engvall/Mikheyev... throwing him with two skill guys, he looks lost. Throwing him with Reaves/Gregor was worse though.

Starting with Woll/Jones would have been better so far, but I still think Sammy can turn it around.

Domi/Bert are producing under my expectations, same with Sammy and maybe Kampf, but everyone else is where I expect them.



He's being force fed offensive minutes and is supposed to be an offensive weapon and Rielly is outproducing him on PP2.

He has some of the worst xGF and GF on the team.

Gio needs to babysit him, and luckily Gio still looks good otherwise Klingberg may look a lot worse.



The only harm we have with the "no harm, no foul" contracts is that these players are on our team for the year, they are playing for the team, which some of them are negative players and regardless, for a forum that complains so much about caphits, there should be some uproar that we have 15 million tied up in ineffective players.

My biggest issue with Reaves is that he plays and he is a very negative player when he is on the ice. Kampf can't be 4th line now because that line was terrible, so now we have two lines that you just pray make it out of the game even instead of one. His cap is annoying because it is an overpay by a tiny amount, but the tiny amount does not allow him to be fully buried and we will have to either run 11-7 or lose Timmins to waivers even if Reaves is sent down unless we make a move. We also gave up a better, cheaper player because we signed Reaves.

Kampf I just hope figures it out, for sure an overpay, but he is a lot better than he is showing.

I'm just fine with Rielly besting Klingberg in production considering he is signed to the bigger contract while also being the better player, IMO (not to mention that the PP is merely a part of any game). I don't disagree that Klingberg's defensive game leaves a lot to be desired, and that's why I'm good with him being on an expiring deal.

 

[francis246]

Tkachuck demanded a trade but Brad placed himself in a very percarious position on that one. If you recall, Tkachuck a few years earlier had asked for a long term deal - $8 million over 8 years neighbourhood. The Flames responded with a $7x3 bridge deal. Now maybe Tkachuk demands a trade either way but when his bridge deal expired in 21-22, he was able to cripple the Flames' trade leverage by saying he'd only sign long term extensions with a few teams. Had the Flames had him at $8x8, they have way more leverage in trade negotiations.

Brad also signed Kadri and Hubderdeau to their current extensions. Both have combined 7 points this year.

Well Brad did what people begged Dubas to do. He tried to think about the cap. And keep a balanced roster even Matthew said that himself.

I believe what happened to Brad was what Dubas believed would happen to him if he bridged Nylander and Marner.

 

[Menzinger]

He ultimately took a risk averse strategy to his free agency signings which I think is hard to be critical about. Even if they flop, there's little downside and I like the gambles he took.

That said, there's been some fairly so-so performances from most of those free agents so far. Bertuzzi is the only one I think has really shown promise. That said, early days still and there's plenty of opportunity for Domi, Klingberg to show their worth

 

[arso40]

40/50 pts for a player who wqs playing in a 3rd line and 2nd pp, its pretty good... sorry

Klinberg , the fact he had been outproduced by leafs best D doesn't mean hes bringing nothing... outside of rielly, amount leafs starting D. leafs had a big ZERO def who bringing offensive... thats what klinberg bring whatever if you like him or not. Yes hes making bad defensive play and whatever but hes making great offensive play too . you cant have 5 defensive D whos pretty bad on the offe sive end, thats why leafs lost last playoff...

Samsonov was #1 leafs goalie

Woll a young goalie who still have everything to prove and Jones had been an average goalie all his carreer and tampa prefer to skip unsteaud of claim jones. Thats telling a lot about how team see him around NHL. It was not an option to go with woll/jones

I agree that we needed offence on the backend but he’s pretty bad defensively I just wonder if we had to compensate that much maybe a dumba at same value is the better choice I don’t see how he even misses that he wants to get tougher on the baccend and you get klingberg instead ?

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Most of his signings were 1 year deals which was a great strategy. Can you imagine being hampered with Jarry with 5.3x5 *shudder*

 

[BallardEra]

Can you imagine being hampered with Jarry with 5.3x5 *shudder*

 

[notDatsyuk]

The team has a .688 point % currently, which is better than last year, and is tied for the second-best in team history (I know, extra points for OT and SO).

We're only 5 months and 8 games into his tenure. Maybe we're rushing the panic/criticism?

 

[hfman]

The team has a .688 point % currently, which is better than last year, and is tied for the second-best in team history (I know, extra points for OT and SO).

We're only 5 months and 8 games into his tenure. Maybe we're rushing the panic/criticism?

yes, just like we're rushing the "we're tied for the second-best in team history" after just 8 or 9 games lol

 

[thusk]

I agree that we needed offence on the backend but he’s pretty bad defensively I just wonder if we had to compensate that much maybe a dumba at same value is the better choice I don’t see how he even misses that he wants to get tougher on the baccend and you get klingberg instead ?

Dumba also having defensive issues and last 5 year offensive side was pretty hard for him... so i dont think he should be considerate like an upgrade in anything for what leafs already have.

 

[Maple Leaf]

View attachment 760669More evidence

Dubas is not good.

 

[Nineteen67]

I still dont think Treliving will be around to build this team into a contender, but at least he hasn’t signed any atrocious contracts.
I wonder if he’ll try a big move this season to set up the future and prove himself capable?

 

[613Leafer]

He ultimately took a risk averse strategy to his free agency signings which I think is hard to be critical about. Even if they flop, there's little downside and I like the gambles he took.

That said, there's been some fairly so-so performances from most of those free agents so far. Bertuzzi is the only one I think has really shown promise. That said, early days still and there's plenty of opportunity for Domi, Klingberg to show their worth

Also need to consider the timing - Treliving was hired in June, like 3 weeks from free agency, plus had the draft, plus had Matthews/Nylander expiring contracts to consider. Just about the worst time of year to hire a GM (Shanny's fault, not Treliving's).

My point being Treliving didn't have enough time to fully evaluate options, review the organization, explore legit trade options, etc before the draft/free agency, so it's not at all a surprise he more or less stuck with status quo, and then like you said took a risk averse strategy in free agency.

We can judge him more effectively this time next year, after he's had a trade deadline, and another draft/free agency with more prep time.

 

[notDatsyuk]

yes, just like we're rushing the "we're tied for the second-best in team history" after just 8 or 9 games lol

I wondered if anyone would catch that.

 

[Nineteen67]

Also need to consider the timing - Treliving was hired in June, like 3 weeks from free agency, plus had the draft, plus had Matthews/Nylander expiring contracts to consider. Just about the worst time of year to hire a GM (Shanny's fault, not Treliving's).

My point being Treliving didn't have enough time to fully evaluate options, review the organization, explore legit trade options, etc before the draft/free agency, so it's not at all a surprise he more or less stuck with status quo, and then like you said took a risk averse strategy in free agency.

We can judge him more effectively this time next year, after he's had a trade deadline, and another draft/free agency with more prep time.

The other options would be to bring guys up from the Marlies and let them tryout, however it makes more sense to evaluate Domi and Bertuzzi first hand and watch the guys in the minors.

Could have done better than Klingberg at 4 million. I’d rather see two or three young guys rotating in and out with the money they spent on him.

 

[Strangle]

I don't see how the two are comparable situations. None of Toronto's stars are leaving (like in Calgary). I think the only contract in Toronto that will require some creativity is Tavares' next contract, and specifically whether Treliving can bring it in under $6 million.

Calgary isn’t Toronto. That should be the end of any comparison.

These players didn’t leave the GM, they left the city

 

[horner]

Also need to consider the timing - Treliving was hired in June, like 3 weeks from free agency, plus had the draft, plus had Matthews/Nylander expiring contracts to consider. Just about the worst time of year to hire a GM (Shanny's fault, not Treliving's).

My point being Treliving didn't have enough time to fully evaluate options, review the organization, explore legit trade options, etc before the draft/free agency, so it's not at all a surprise he more or less stuck with status quo, and then like you said took a risk averse strategy in free agency.

We can judge him more effectively this time next year, after he's had a trade deadline, and another draft/free agency with more prep time.

We have 9 picks for the 2024 draft
We need have Knies Cowen Minten Grebyonkin and Robertson on ELCs that should be on the big club in 1 to 2 yrs.

Treliving can now concentrate on the defence , it can't be turned over this yr but iam sure he is doing his due diligence to get more help . Free agency this summer should
be fun Skej Pesce Zadorov Tanev DeMelo

2 of this players would change our D + Brodie ( resign at a lower cap hit )

 

[horner]

The other options would be to bring guys up from the Marlies and let them tryout, however it makes more sense to evaluate Domi and Bertuzzi first hand and watch the guys in the minors.

Could have done better than Klingberg at 4 million. I’d rather see two or three young guys rotating in and out with the money they spent on him.

What you players on the marlies ?
No D
Forwards Robertson maybe

 

[Nineteen67]

What you players on the marlies ?
No D
Forwards Robertson maybe

McMann, Abruzzes, Voit, Steves, Holmberg.

D is huge problem and could be for a long time.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Also need to consider the timing - Treliving was hired in June, like 3 weeks from free agency, plus had the draft, plus had Matthews/Nylander expiring contracts to consider. Just about the worst time of year to hire a GM (Shanny's fault, not Treliving's).

My point being Treliving didn't have enough time to fully evaluate options, review the organization, explore legit trade options, etc before the draft/free agency, so it's not at all a surprise he more or less stuck with status quo, and then like you said took a risk averse strategy in free agency.

We can judge him more effectively this time next year, after he's had a trade deadline, and another draft/free agency with more prep time.

He should easily get 3-4 years before he can be judged.

 

[horner]

McMann, Abruzzes, Voit, Steves, Holmberg.

D is huge problem and could be for a long time.

McMann and voit are injured

Steeve's showed nothing in the preseason
Really disappointed in him

Holmberg is already here and shown nothing

Abruzzese 2 yrs away

McMann if he can stay healthy would be here

 

[thusk]

The other options would be to bring guys up from the Marlies and let them tryout, however it makes more sense to evaluate Domi and Bertuzzi first hand and watch the guys in the minors.

Could have done better than Klingberg at 4 million. I’d rather see two or three young guys rotating in and out with the money they spent on him.

But try to get a 40+ dmen who can reach 60 in a good season under 4M just for fun...

Deangelo Is the o ly one i found and hes coming with probably one of the worst reputation in NHL. This guy is a poison in a locker room.

Gostibehere who even worst than klinberg defensivly signed at 4,15M. Barrie who also worst defensive side at 4,5M.

The list of dman available last summer was pretty bad, he took a bet on klinberg for 1 year and still give a shot exemple next summer to sign a guy like Hanifin, skjei, pesce, montour, forsling

 

[kevsh]

Klingberg/Domi/Bertuzzi are no harm, no foul contracts. If they don’t work out, they won’t be back.

True, but for a team going more desperate every year for playoff success and ticking off the years of the greatest talent this franchise has ever seen, those 3 were all gambles that if they do not pay off, it's another wasted year.

It all goes back to the stubborn refusal of MLSE to break away from the top heavy approach. They wouldn't need a Domi and/or Bertuzzi if they'd been able to re-sign Hyman, for example.

So every year, Dubas and now Treliving are forced to take a shot on multiple guys on 'show me' deals (gambles) to fill key spots in the lineup instead of retaining of bringing in the right players with term.

 

[GoonieFace]

True, but for a team going more desperate every year for playoff success and ticking off the years of the greatest talent this franchise has ever seen, those 3 were all gambles that if they do not pay off, it's another wasted year.

It all goes back to the stubborn refusal of MLSE to break away from the top heavy approach. They wouldn't need a Domi and/or Bertuzzi if they'd been able to re-sign Hyman, for example.

So every year, Dubas and now Treliving are forced to take a shot on multiple guys on 'show me' deals (gambles) to fill key spots in the lineup instead of retaining of bringing in the right players with term.

And here lies the problem. Until they are willing to get off of Marner, this will be the way it is, until Tavares is off the books. May be too late by then