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Jozay said:
Lol people were living in the honeymoon phase with Treliving.

Bertuzzi signing was solid and thats about it. All he did was handcuff the team this year.

Ill give him credit for only handing out 1 year deals though
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What were his other options? Play with cap space and then spend even more assets to fill it? We unfortunately are what we are for this season and next and no GM can change the contracts we have on the books with the NMCs. Tres vision likely won’t be shown before the 25-26 season sadly
 
LaPlante94 said:
It's weird a lot of you didn't whine this much when our last GM failed to bring playoff success to this team in his 5 years as much as you have been about Treliving in his 1st 4 games.
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nope just excuse after excuse, he had 5 years and Failed!, if a poster cares more about Dubas than the leafs, there is a penguins board somewhere on this site, they can go make excuses for him over there....
 
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I'm starting to get a bit concerned.

None of the players Treliving brought in are doing very good. Klingberg, Domi, Reaves, and Benoit all stink. Bertuzzi is only holding his own because he's being supported by better linemates.

I know other teams made horrible signings too.

But just because other GM's are doing dumb things doesn't mean Treliving should be. Even if the dumb signings he made are less dumb than those others have made. A stupid move doesn't suddenly become smart just because someone else made an even more stupid move.

It's getting harder and harder to spin this all into something positive.

There's no secondary scoring. And players like Domi appear to be in over their heads. Personally I've always felt players off the scrap heap aren't the best option for filling in the roster.

That's how you end up with character and talent issues.
 
TMLBlueandWhite said:
I'm starting to get a bit concerned.

None of the players Treliving brought in are doing very good. Klingberg, Domi, Reaves, and Benoit all stink. Bertuzzi is only holding his own because he's being supported by better linemates.

I know other teams made horrible signings too.

But just because other GM's are doing dumb things doesn't mean Treliving should be. Even if the dumb signings he made are less dumb than those others have made. A stupid move doesn't suddenly become smart just because someone else made an even more stupid move.

It's getting harder and harder to spin this all into something positive.

There's no secondary scoring. And players like Domi appear to be in over their heads. Personally I've always felt players off the scrap heap aren't the best option for filling in the roster.

That's how you end up with character and talent issues.
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What were we supposed to do? Play 20m under the cap or sign 3 year deals for players just as trash? Break it down how would you have done it?
 
TMLife17 said:
What were we supposed to do? Play 20m under the cap or sign 3 year deals for players just as trash? Break it down how would you have done it?
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I don't get paid millions of dollars, or have a team of advisors, to make those decisions.

It's disingenuous to suggest I should. It implies some random guy who doesn't even work in the industry can make better informed decisions than those who are entrusted to do so. It amounts to nothing more than asking what a peasant would do if he was king for a day.

What's done is done.

And at this point it's starting to look like another multi-million dollar offseason boondoggle.
 
Lets give the new guys some time to fit in. There’s been a ton of turnover and it takes time to gel.

Same thing happens every year. We replace all our depth and then suck to start the season, only to go on and be the best team in the league in November.
 
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Madap said:
Lets give the new guys some time to fit in. There’s been a ton of turnover and it takes time to gel.

Same thing happens every year. We replace all our depth and then suck to start the season, only to go on and be the best team in the league in November.
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With a win tonight I think the Leafs are going to go on a long run, so the November rush will start a little earlier this season.
 
TMLBlueandWhite said:
I'm starting to get a bit concerned.

None of the players Treliving brought in are doing very good. Klingberg, Domi, Reaves, and Benoit all stink. Bertuzzi is only holding his own because he's being supported by better linemates.

I know other teams made horrible signings too.

But just because other GM's are doing dumb things doesn't mean Treliving should be. Even if the dumb signings he made are less dumb than those others have made. A stupid move doesn't suddenly become smart just because someone else made an even more stupid move.

It's getting harder and harder to spin this all into something positive.

There's no secondary scoring. And players like Domi appear to be in over their heads. Personally I've always felt players off the scrap heap aren't the best option for filling in the roster.

That's how you end up with character and talent issues.
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Klinberg bringing what leafs expected when they sign him... a guy who can provide offensive from D but coming with defensive issues...at this rate its 68 pts/ 82 game. From a team who was amount worst team in NHL for production from their D, its a good news.. just get a dman who can finish next season around 60-70 pts for 4,15M .... just dont know how you can consider it like a terrible signing...

Domi provided a depht offensive foward with defensive issues. At this rate its around a 54pts/82 game playing most of the time on 3rd line... dont know what you can expect more than a 3rd line offensive foward?!?!?!
 
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He should be on the lookout for young tough players and prospects. Montreal got both the Xhekaj brothers for a 4th rounder for the pair, for example.
 
Team is .667 and has an ongoing two game road win streak. Domi has three points in last two games. Not sure if that winning record justifies a Trevelling call out.
 
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thusk said:
Klinberg bringing what leafs expected when they sign him... a guy who can provide offensive from D but coming with defensive issues...at this rate its 68 pts/ 82 game. From a team who was amount worst team in NHL for production from their D, its a good news.. just get a dman who can finish next season around 60-70 pts for 4,15M .... just dont know how you can consider it like a terrible signing...

Domi provided a depht offensive foward with defensive issues. At this rate its around a 54pts/82 game playing most of the time on 3rd line... dont know what you can expect more than a 3rd line offensive foward?!?!?!
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Yeah, it's odd to say these guys have underperformed. Klingberg has actually been much better (and more productive) than expected, and Domi has been exactly as predicted. Bertuzzi will end up going on a run soon and everyone will love him.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
I'm starting to get a bit concerned.

None of the players Treliving brought in are doing very good. Klingberg, Domi, Reaves, and Benoit all stink. Bertuzzi is only holding his own because he's being supported by better linemates.

I know other teams made horrible signings too.

But just because other GM's are doing dumb things doesn't mean Treliving should be. Even if the dumb signings he made are less dumb than those others have made. A stupid move doesn't suddenly become smart just because someone else made an even more stupid move.

It's getting harder and harder to spin this all into something positive.

There's no secondary scoring. And players like Domi appear to be in over their heads. Personally I've always felt players off the scrap heap aren't the best option for filling in the roster.

That's how you end up with character and talent issues.
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We're 4 and 2. Step back from the ledge.
 
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thusk said:
Domi provided a depht offensive foward with defensive issues. At this rate its around a 54pts/82 game playing most of the time on 3rd line... dont know what you can expect more than a 3rd line offensive foward?!?!?!
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Domi has played most of his time with Nylander and Tavares.

And I would have thought the expectations after six games for an offensive winger would be higher than zero goals.

But I guess some people have lower standards than others for what they should expect for $3M.
 
People ripping on Tre should go creep the Pens board to see how they feel about the summer moves of the whimp genius, lol .

Eller - 2.45m x 2
Graves - 4.5m x 6
Jarry - 5.375m x 5
Nieto - 900k x 2

the best move is trading a 1st and 2nd for EK while still being on the hook for 10m per for another 3 years after this season , if they don't turn their season around they'll have the option to give up a high 1st either this year which is top 10 protected or roll the dice and prey that next season is better since that 1st has no protection from what i read
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Domi has played most of his time with Nylander and Tavares.

And I would have thought the expectations after six games for an offensive winger would be higher than zero goals.

But I guess some people have lower standards than others for what they should expect for $3M.
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That's the worst take I've read. If you want too use salary as a point regarding Domi, let's talk about Mitch Marner who is playing 24 minutes a night and only has 5 points, and only has 1 goal all while getting paid nearly 11 million, nearly 4 times more then Domi.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Domi has played most of his time with Nylander and Tavares.

And I would have thought the expectations after six games for an offensive winger would be higher than zero goals.

But I guess some people have lower standards than others for what they should expect for $3M.
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Domi played 24,4% with jt and nylander... The rest of the time he was on 3rd line


You cant expect having a 60-70 2 way player good every where at 3 M... you will have kinf of kerfoot at this salary as 2 way player... its the reality
 
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The new guys haven't been great, haven't been horrible. Team as a whole hasn't been great, hasn't been horrible. I'll take 4-2 considering, hey, the team could be 2-4. They've also started far slower than this in recent years and finished with their highest-ever point totals.

I'm willing to bet being 6-0 and having won every game 5-1, there would still be concerns, cause this is Toronto.
 
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Klingberg has been as advertised IMO. I personally like his addition to the backend and think he can be a pretty good piece moving forward with the right partners. Bertuzzi is starting to look better especially on the second line with Tavares and Nylander. I have the least amount of hope in Domi but even he’s been a little better these past two games.
 
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TMLAM34 said:
Klingberg has been as advertised IMO. I personally like his addition to the backend and think he can be a pretty good piece moving forward with the right partners. Bertuzzi is starting to look better especially on the second line with Tavares and Nylander. I have the least amount of hope in Domi but even he’s been a little better these past two games.
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Even I'm guilty of jumping to conclusions sometimes.

I wasn't a fan of the Domi signing, but he's performed better than expected to me. Four points, in six games is pretty good for him. If he can be at, or above .5PPG, with his reduced ice time, and limited PP time, that would be excellent from his spot. Keep up with the Knies chemistry, and hopefully they continue to have success.

Klingberg has put up points, but is also a negative +-... about expected for him.

Bertuzzi has been ok, but he needs to put up some points too.

So far, these three are doing ok... but still early.
 
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