Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[DarkKnight]

You're right, Simmonds was horrible, yet he was still better at hockey than Reaves.

Last year he was painfully useless, and I'd argue Reaves has way more "fear factor" than Wayne Train.

This seems an argument over nothingness if you're actually arguing Simmonds last year was better, wtf were people watching?

 

[Gallagbi]

It looks like Minten makes the team. I think Tre was the one that wanted Nylander to try center. I also think Minten doesn’t make the team if Tre wasn’t the new GM. He made it happen with this trade, and I think it represents a shift in philosophy, the kid impressed, we have a need at center, let’s give it a shot. We will never know, but I don’t see this happening under Dubas, the GM has his fingerprints all over this surprising Minten emergence.

I dont think Dubas would make the move based on a preseason, but we have seen injections of young players whp had a good body of work at the lower levels.

Guys like Knies, Robertson, Sandin all jump to mind

Klingberg is the big add on D for the Leafs to help out one of the lowest scoring Dcores from last year.

We've definitely sacraficed a lot of defensive acumen this offseason to try and get some additional production. It's fine to try, but interesting to see the mindset shift from some

Last year he was painfully useless, and I'd argue Reaves has way more "fear factor" than Wayne Train.

This seems an argument over nothingness if you're actually arguing Simmonds last year was better, wtf were people watching?

Simmonds is a better player, Reaves is a better fighter

 

[Mess]

Last year he was painfully useless, and I'd argue Reaves has way more "fear factor" than Wayne Train.

This seems an argument over nothingness if you're actually arguing Simmonds last year was better, wtf were people watching?

People weren't watching.

Ryan Reaves dressed for 73 games in 2022-23 between NYR and Minny and recorded 5-10-15 points & 43 Pims.

Wayne Simmonds dressed for 18 games last year recording 0-2-2 points with 49 PIMS and remains a UFA today.

 

[Thornbury]

I dont think Dubas would make the move based on a preseason, but we have seen injections of young players whp had a good body of work at the lower levels.

Guys like Knies, Robertson, Sandin all jump to mind


We've definitely sacraficed a lot of defensive acumen this offseason to try and get some additional production. It's fine to try, but interesting to see the mindset shift from some


Simmonds is a better player, Reaves is a better fighter

Wayne lost his hands the last couple of years. His puck handling was pretty atrocious.

 

[MavisGoldberg]

Wayne at his peak was fantastic. That's why the Tim Wilson extension is so terrible. These guys hit a wall at 30

 

[Gallagbi]

Wayne lost his hands the last couple of years. His puck handling was pretty atrocious.

Correct, and when you compare that to Reaves....

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Simmonds was completely useless. If he did as his reputation suggested that would have been fine, but he wasn't even doing that. He didn't hit, he didn't find fight, he couldn't handle a puck without fumbling it...no wonder Keefe only dressed him for 18 games. From what I've seen of Reaves, he's actually been pretty responsible out there. If Reaves pounds the snot out of Bennett and Goudas at some point this season, he'll have been worth the signing.

 

[DarkKnight]

People weren't watching.

Ryan Reaves dressed for 73 games in 2022-23 between NYR and Minny and recorded 5-10-15 points & 43 Pims.

Wayne Simmonds dressed for 18 games last year recording 0-2-2 points with 49 PIMS and remains a UFA today.

I mean 2021-22 Wayne had some moments, but last year it was borderline sad to watch, there’s no way “he was the better player”. I wasn’t some huge fan of the Reaves signing either, it remains to be seen, but he has way more presence than Wayne Train in your lineup, he’s the most feared guy in the game. Anyways, I can already see people are going to obsess about a 7 minute guy all year like it’s the key to our success or failure.

 

[Mess]

We've definitely sacrificed a lot of defensive acumen this offseason to try and get some additional production. It's fine to try, but interesting to see the mindset shift from some

There is no mindset change ... Leafs have 4 X forwards occupying 1/2 their cap space, and with that situation its all about building a team around them that can supply secondary scoring,

Leafs 3 X $11 mil players combined for 1 single goal against Florida in a near sweep.. So where is the offense going to come from as the team only averaged 2 goals per game all series?

Leafs defense was among the lowest scoring in the league and outside of Rielly provided little to no offense with only 1 single playoff goal among all the rest.

John Klingberg's addition is designed to add another puck moving and distributing Dman to provide offense similar to Mo Riells and he will even act as QB PP#1. He has the potential to be a 50-60 point player for $4,150,000 price point. I think Treliving is long from done with the defense who likes big, mean and mobile, basd on his Calgary defense crew where he actually walked away from Giodano and Brodie in the past only to inherit them back now.

If one believes in "Defense win Championships", and also have wanted one of the core 4 like Willy or Marner traded for a top pairing Dman to balance the cap better, then this move does not address that situation and also puts doubt that this defense core even with more offense makes it more Cup competitive. This defense is very questionable particularly defensively.

Until the Leafs can get out from under the boat anchor contract of JT in a couple years, this is only a piece-meal patchwork short-term plan.. IMO

 

[Gallagbi]

There is no mindset change ...

Might want to rethink that given your posts all summer. Hell even this one above.

Its absolutely astonishing how often you lay a shit on the floor and then step right in it

 

[notbias]

Wayne lost his hands the last couple of years. His puck handling was pretty atrocious.

Reaves may have the worst hands in the NHL, we can probably include the coaching staff in this too.

His hands are truly terrible.

I truly hope I am mistaken, but I think mid-season most will want Simmonds over Reaves.

 

[Mess]

I mean 2021-22 Wayne had some moments, but last year it was borderline sad to watch, there’s no way “he was the better player”. I wasn’t some huge fan of the Reaves signing either, it remains to be seen, but he has way more presence than Wayne Train in your lineup, he’s the most feared guy in the game. Anyways, I can already see people are going to obsess about a 7 minute guy all year like it’s the key to our success or failure.

Reaves biggest role is as a deterrent policy to help potentially prevent abuse against some of Leafs more skilled players and make some of those players play bigger knowing he has their backs in battle. He is also supposed to be a really good locker room presence that also wouldn't show up in on ice goals and assists by Reaves.

I'm the last person that likes a knuckle dragging goon, but fully understand the concept of prevention and deterrent. If you put a Pitbull in your yard, its not how many people he bites, its how many people it prevents from impacting your property, and how that adds a level of security and comfort to all the people involved being.

A player like Matt Martin was a good pal of Mitch Marner because Mitch understood what he brought to the team and how it made him feel more protected.

How Matt Martin has assumed a 'big brother' role with the Maple Leafs.. Inside the unlikely bond between Leafs forwards Mitch Marner and Matt Martin. Mitch Marner - Big Brother Matt

This concept is as old as time where teams have insulated their stars with grit ... Remember Pavel Bure and Gino Odjick friendship and security blanket or when Dave Semenko rode shotgun with Wayne Gretzky.

Gino Shows Bure The Meaning Of Friendship, and how it elevated Bure to excel and have on ice success knowing his Pal had his back.

Some people will never understand all the intangible aspects that players like this bring to a team outside of just offense and even Pims.

Leafs core 4 forwards are so soft physically that BT felt the need to compensate with a player like Reaves to provided more backbone and support.

 

[DarkKnight]

https://x.com/nylanderthews/status/1711430620042170466?s=46&t=WFIOQmx68zn6ETcfoESWmA

 

[The Iceman]

I wonder if the clause Treliving built into Martin Jones contract that a $100,000 bonus is due tomorrow had anything to due with him not getting claimed?

 

[Gallagbi]

I wonder if the clause Treliving built into Martin Jones contract that a $100,000 bonus is due tomorrow had anything to due with him not getting claimed?

It certainly didnt encourage other teams, but im pretty sure NHL salaries are paid monthly and only within the year, so its not a huge deterrent for teams

Its an extra $85k or so more than you'd be paying if it was all salary for the month rather than bonus (100k) + sal (110k/mth)

 

[thusk]

There is no mindset change ... Leafs have 4 X forwards occupying 1/2 their cap space, and with that situation its all about building a team around them that can supply secondary scoring,

Leafs 3 X $11 mil players combined for 1 single goal against Florida in a near sweep.. So where is the offense going to come from as the team only averaged 2 goals per game all series?

Leafs defense was among the lowest scoring in the league and outside of Rielly provided little to no offense with only 1 single playoff goal among all the rest.

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John Klingberg's addition is designed to add another puck moving and distributing Dman to provide offense similar to Mo Riells and he will even act as QB PP#1. He has the potential to be a 50-60 point player for $4,150,000 price point. I think Treliving is long from done with the defense who likes big, mean and mobile, basd on his Calgary defense crew where he actually walked away from Giodano and Brodie in the past only to inherit them back now.

If one believes in "Defense win Championships", and also have wanted one of the core 4 like Willy or Marner traded for a top pairing Dman to balance the cap better, then this move does not address that situation and also puts doubt that this defense core even with more offense makes it more Cup competitive. This defense is very questionable particularly defensively.

Until the Leafs can get out from under the boat anchor contract of JT in a couple years, this is only a piece-meal patchwork short-term plan.. IMO

Defensive is not only about dman... you can have an average D and be a great defensive D. I will give you a great exemple

Grzelcyk-McAvoy
Carlo- clifton/rielly
Zboril-miller/kampfer

It was boston D in 2020-21... its not an omay d but not a great 1 but they finished 4th, why? Because their foward and their system was helping their D and making everybody better defensivly as a team.

The leafs D is average yes for sure but can leafs foward group can make leafs D even better defensivly? Yes

Muzzin was the only d outside of rielly who was able to bring offensive and goal from D like last 7 year... and everytime he get injured and didn't play... leafs was struggling offensivly vs cbs, gm 6-7 vs habs, last season thanks to rielly because the rest was trash... The only season he was healthy, it was probably the best leafs series played last 20 years( despite the lost)

Last 4 year in playoff klinberg had 5 goal and 26 points ( in 36 game) and all leafs d without rielly had 8 goal and 28 points in 30 game...

 

[ACC1224]

I wonder if the clause Treliving built into Martin Jones contract that a $100,000 bonus is due tomorrow had anything to due with him not getting claimed?

I don't think it would stop a team from claiming him if they really wanted him.

 

[The Masters]

muzzin retired?

https://x.com/kristen_shilton/status/1711412119894180113?s=20

 

[ACC1224]

muzzin retired?

https://x.com/kristen_shilton/status/1711412119894180113?s=20

He took a job as a scout I believe

 

[The Masters]

He took a job as a scout I believe

Didnt think you could be on LTIR and then get a new job at the same time

 

[ACC1224]

Didnt think you could be on LTIR and then get a new job at the same time

Not sure, I think Pronger has done that in the past.
Perhaps he retired and they just paid him what he was owed in his new position?

 

[The Masters]

Impressed with Tre

 

[Menzinger]

Didnt think you could be on LTIR and then get a new job at the same time

He wouldn't be the first. It's happened a few times in the past, though it's not super common

 

[notDatsyuk]

I thought if a player retired - mutually agreed to terminate the contract - that was it.

No cap hit, no LTIR, no money owed, no limitations on accepting another job (possibly excluding as an NHL player). Leo Komarov did it - a mutually agreed termination with the Islanders, and then signed with SKA Saint Petersburg (where he lost in the semi-final to the eventual cup winner, for the third year in a row!)

 

[ACC1224]

I thought if a player retired - mutually agreed to terminate the contract - that was it.

No cap hit, no LTIR, no money owed, no limitations on accepting another job (possibly excluding as an NHL player). Leo Komarov did it - a mutually agreed termination with the Islanders, and then signed with SKA Saint Petersburg (where he lost in the semi-final to the eventual cup winner, for the third year in a row!)

I’d want all my money owed if I was a player, I’m sure Muzzin does as well. Komarov still wanted to play, different situation.