Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Hamonic is a bottom pairing D now, and has been for several years.

But he wasn't when the flames originally got him, which was the entire point.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I’m hoping that what we can’t do is fail in the playoffs for another 7 years…..Dubas’s real legacy


They can, but will they be teams capable of winning in the playoffs……something they have failed miserably the last 7 years.

It’s opening night we are talking about, let’s get to the post season before worrying about it. Heck let’s see what happens at the deadline before declaring a team good enough or not.
Why even bother following and committing so much bandwidth to something you continually boil down to a ten day experience?

 

[Racer88]

It’s opening night we are talking about, let’s get to the post season before worrying about it. Heck let’s see what happens at the deadline before declaring a team good enough or not.
Why even bother following and committing so much bandwidth to something you continually boil down to a ten day experience?

It’s simple I expect better from my team and the players, however I do realize it will take another few years to clean up the mess Dubas made.
we have seen the same song and dance from this group for years.
if they can’t stay up and finish out a game that they are up by 2 goals it’s pretty sad. It is irrelevant that it is a pre season game. The pre season is when you start developing work habits……not just think you will turn it on when ever you feel like.
Finally from some of the stuff I have heard Keefe was not very happy with their effort at the end either. Is he wrong too or maybe he actually understands what is important.

 

[notDatsyuk]

They can, but will they be teams capable of winning in the playoffs……something they have failed miserably the last 7 years.

Contrary to the people screaming "Tampa was over the cap in the playoffs!", there is no cap in the playoffs. I'm not sure how that affects us as far as the 25 man roster goes.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Dubas makin' moves over in Steel Town. Shuckin' and jivin'. Tre? Dead silence.

Is he making good moves, or continuing his usual pattern?

Which would you rather back: the player standing pat or the one asking for different cards?

 

[darrylsittler27]

Hilarious take. Dubas was left with 3 unsigned RFAs, and a 40 year old 4th liner making over $6 million with a full no movement clause. Along with the previous GM trading second round picks like candy for 4th liners at the end of their usefulness. And no D worthy of note other than Rielly.

But sure, delude yourself to your hearts content!

Try and make sense when you talk eh

 

[Mess]

Dubas makin' moves over in Steel Town. Shuckin' and jivin'. Tre? Dead silence.

Lets compare Leafs GM moves.

Kyle Dubas last year as Leafs GM summer work 2022-23.
=================================
Traded for disaster G - Matt Murray (2 years @ $4.67 mil)

G - Ilya Samsonov (one year, $1.8 Million AAV)
D - Jordie Benn (one year, $750,000 AAV)
D - Victor Mete (one year, $750,000 AAV)
F - Nicolas Aube-Kubel (one year, $1 Million AAV)
F - Adam Gaudette (one year, $750,000 AAV)
F - Denis Malgin (one year, $750,000 AAV)
F - Calle Jarnkrok (four years, $2.1 Million AAV)
& PTO signing F- Zach Aston-Reese (one year, $840,000 AAV)

VS.

Brad Treliving 1st year summer work 2023-24.
=============================
*G - Ilya Samsonov (one year, $3.55MM cap hit) [Arbitration reward]
G - Martin Jones (one year, $875K)
D - John Klingberg (one year, $4.2MM)
D - William Lagesson (one year, $775K)*
D - Simon Benoit (one year, $775K)
F - Ryan Reaves (three years, $4MM)
F - Max Domi (one year, $3MM)
F - Tyler Bertuzzi (one year, $5.5MM)
F - Dylan Gambrell (one year, $775K)
& potential PTO signing F - Noah Gregor

Which set of summer transactions do you like best the former GM or the current GM to move the Leafs toward Cup competitiveness?

 

[notbias]

Lets compare Leafs GM moves.

Kyle Dubas last year as Leafs GM summer work 2022-23.
=================================
Traded for disaster G - Matt Murray (2 years @ $4.67 mil)

G - Ilya Samsonov (one year, $1.8 Million AAV)
D - Jordie Benn (one year, $750,000 AAV)
D - Victor Mete (one year, $750,000 AAV)
F - Nicolas Aube-Kubel (one year, $1 Million AAV)
F - Adam Gaudette (one year, $750,000 AAV)
F - Denis Malgin (one year, $750,000 AAV)
F - Calle Jarnkrok (four years, $2.1 Million AAV)
& PTO signing F- Zach Aston-Reese (one year, $840,000 AAV)

VS.

Brad Treliving 1st year summer work 2023-24.
=============================
*G - Ilya Samsonov (one year, $3.55MM cap hit) [Arbitration reward]
G - Martin Jones (one year, $875K)
D - John Klingberg (one year, $4.2MM)
D - William Lagesson (one year, $775K)*
D - Simon Benoit (one year, $775K)
F - Ryan Reaves (three years, $4MM)
F - Max Domi (one year, $3MM)
F - Tyler Bertuzzi (one year, $5.5MM)
F - Dylan Gambrell (one year, $775K)
& potential PTO signing F - Noah Gregor

Which set of summer transactions do you like best the former GM or the current GM to move the Leafs toward Cup competitiveness?

One had tons of cap space, the other didn't...

Apples and oranges here.

The Murray trade ended up being good.

Jarnkrok may be the best signing of the bunch.

Tre brought in the best players, but all short term and his worst signings are his longest.

 

[Gallagbi]

One had tons of cap space, the other didn't...

Apples and oranges here.

The Murray trade ended up being good.

Jarnkrok may be the best signing of the bunch.

Tre brought in the best players, but all short term and his worst signings are his longest.

Its an interesting comparison

For Dubas we have a "disaster" trade that ultimately led to adequate goaltending for a few months, some late picks and an eventual LTIR spot. A whole lot of fan controversy and bickering along the way, but its not all that surprising or detrimental of an outcome.

Aside from the goalies, we have 1 NHL regular signed for $2M who had a 20 goal year while being an all situation player then AHL tweeners who are demotable.


Then Tre's added 14M worth of skaters, many of which are " specialty" players in they add a lot of isolated value, but are limited in how they can be used. You dont want Reaves in anything other than limited 4th line minutes, Domi is a middle 6 scorer, Kling is an offensice specialist on the backend who you want to shelter. Bertuzzi's the gem, but hes also a guy you arent using in all situations. Then the standard demotable tweeners, but i do really like Gregor's speed.

I wonder the offense first approach will pay off.

 

[34]

I would say he has done a good job so far. He needs to get Willy extended though. That is imperative, and I will not be surprised if Willy scores 50 goals this year, he is that damn good. He can not let him walk for nothing as a UFA after the season. That will be an epic fail.

 

[Sypher04]

I would say he has done a good job so far. He needs to get Willy extended though. That is imperative, and I will not be surprised if Willy scores 50 goals this year, he is that damn good. He can not let him walk for nothing as a UFA after the season. That will be an epic fail.

Yup. Sign Nylander. Make moves during the season to prepare the D for a deep run. Those are his imperatives imo. Maybe a 3C depending on how things shake out with the roster - but we look pretty strong up front as is

 

[Aashir Mallik]

One had tons of cap space, the other didn't...

Apples and oranges here.

The Murray trade ended up being good.

Jarnkrok may be the best signing of the bunch.

Tre brought in the best players, but all short term and his worst signings are his longest.

How has that trade ended up being good? We wasted capspace on Murray, we got minimal assets, and we blocked woll because of him.
Had we run with woll or another tandem goalie for 2ish million as a backup/1B, we could’ve acquired another dman or forward.

That’s all disregarding his play, which was as expected, mediocre. .903 is not good on an above average defensive team

The Samsonov signing was a good one, jarnkrok was a good signing too, but dubas dropped the ball on Murray

 

[CabanaBoy5]

I would say he has done a good job so far. He needs to get Willy extended though. That is imperative, and I will not be surprised if Willy scores 50 goals this year, he is that damn good. He can not let him walk for nothing as a UFA after the season. That will be an epic fail.

I agree, we have to sign Nylander and he’ll be closer to 50 goals than 40. Tre will eventually be judged by what he does to strengthen this defence during the season. He’s done a good job on the offence acquiring Bert, Domi, and Klingberg. The offence is fine complemented by that emerging stud Knies.

 

[thusk]

Elite top players don't get shut down when it counts, at least on winning teams. They find a way to be the best. Domi had a good year last year, but only 9 points in 24 games in the playoffs previously. Bertuzzi has only played in the playoffs once, last year, so we'll see. Bert's also had some injury issues, and missed quite a bit of time... so we hope he's available for the playoffs... it's a bit of wait and see.

Sure, when your top guys get shut down, in a game or two... yes, your depth needs to score. Overall an entire series, or playoffs... no depth is going to make the team win, when your top guys get shut down like they have in the past.... it's just not going to happen.

Do you want to know how many time exemple kucherov/ stamkos/;point had been shutdown in decisive game? You would be probably extremely surprising

The winning team are able to take lead and keep it even if their elite player dont have great game... they are not trailing all game long and trailling like 75% of the time

When matthews/ marner didn't drive leafs offensive... toronto losing all the time, thats just not normal

 

[Fogelhund]

Do you want to know how many time exemple kucherov/ stamkos/;point had been shutdown in decisive game? You would be probably extremely surprising

The winning team are able to take lead and keep it even if their elite player dont have great game... they are not trailing all game long and trailling like 75% of the time

When matthews/ marner didn't drive leafs offensive... toronto losing all the time, thats just not normal

How many series have Tampa won where Stamkos and Kucherov, plus whomever were their other top 4 forwards combined for 2 goals in a series?

 

[thusk]

How many series have Tampa won where Stamkos and Kucherov, plus whomever were their other top 4 forwards combined for 2 goals in a series?

I just watch 2021 quickly ..


2021 vs nyi stamkos/ kucherov had 2 goal in 7 game and both come from a 8-0 blow out

Against habs, they get 3 in the 1st game and stamkos / kucherov/ point had only 1 combined goal last 4 game

How many game did leafs won last 2 pst season without matthews and marner scoring a goal ? 1

If you adding nylander... how many game leafs won without anyone of those 3 scoring a goal last 5 postseason? 1 and we blaming core to dont make enough!!!

You cant hope making a long run that way
...

 

[cyris]

How has that trade ended up being good? We wasted capspace on Murray, we got minimal assets, and we blocked woll because of him.
Had we run with woll or another tandem goalie for 2ish million as a backup/1B, we could’ve acquired another dman or forward.

That’s all disregarding his play, which was as expected, mediocre. .903 is not good on an above average defensive team

The Samsonov signing was a good one, jarnkrok was a good signing too, but dubas dropped the ball on Murray

How did Murray block Woll?
Woll was hurt to start the season so it isn’t like he was an option to start the year and once he was healthy after a stint in the AHL where he got back in game shape and proved he was ready he got plenty of time in the NHL as both of our NHL goalies missed time.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Dubas makin' moves over in Steel Town. Shuckin' and jivin'. Tre? Dead silence.

Treliving brought in Bertuzzi, Domi, Klingberg and Reaves he did his off season work

 

[Gabriel426]

I just watch 2021 quickly ..


2021 vs nyi stamkos/ kucherov had 2 goal in 7 game and both come from a 8-0 blow out

Against habs, they get 3 in the 1st game and stamkos / kucherov/ point had only 1 combined goal last 4 game

How many game did leafs won last 2 pst season without matthews and marner scoring a goal ? 1

If you adding nylander... how many game leafs won without anyone of those 3 scoring a goal last 5 postseason? 1 and we blaming core to dont make enough!!!

You cant hope making a long run that way
...

Your top guys need to score and produce. If not, the team is not going to win 4 out of 7 unless you have someone like Vas in the back.
Look at Vegas, Avs… their top guys score.
What I find is that, most often or not, other teams top two guys don’t play together on the same line. That might be something Keefe and MgT needs to think about.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Treliving brought in Bertuzzi, Domi, Klingberg and Reaves he did his off season work

Reaves should be boughout

 

[thusk]

Your top guys need to score and produce. If not, the team is not going to win 4 out of 7 unless you have someone like Vas in the back.
Look at Vegas, Avs… their top guys score.
What I find is that, most often or not, other teams top two guys don’t play together on the same line. That might be something Keefe and MgT needs to think about.

When your top foward doesn't score, your still need to be able to win

7 of 16 avs win, none of top 3 foward mackinnon/ rantanen and landeskog scored. Its 44 % of avs win and 30% of total avs game during their run

last 37 leafs playoff game they won 1 game with their top 3 not scoring a goal. Its only 6% of leafs win and 3 % of leafs game

Like i said, you need to find a way to win even if ypur top 3 best foward dosn't score any goal

 

[Gabriel426]

When your top line doesn't score, your still need to be able to win

7 of 16 avs win, none of top 3 foward mackinnon/ rantanen and landeskog scored. Its 44 % of avs win and 30% of total avs game during their run

last 37 leafs playoff game they won 1 game with their top 3 scoring a goal. Its only 6% of leafs win and 3 % of leafs game

Like i said, you need to find a way to win even if ypur top 3 best foward dosn't score any goal

If your top two plays together instead of spreading out on two lines. Going to be a bit hard to spread the offence.
Dubas built the roster, whether due to cap or whatever, in a way that AM, MM, JT and Willie needs to score around 60% or more inorder for the Leafs to win.
Also, although your stats painted a good picture but what you ignored is the total goals scored by the team.
Take the Panthers series, AM, MM and JT only combined for 10% of goals scored for the Leafs. If your supporting cast scores 90% of the goals in a series, don’t think it is fair to ask for supporting cast to score more goals.

In 2022, Kuch, Stammer and Point scored 6 of the 23 goals against the Leafs. But JT, AM and MM combined for 9 of 24 goals
While in 2023 those three combined for 5 of the 21 goals and JT, AM and MM combined for 10 of 22 goals.
Avs score 20 goals in the Finals and their top 3- Mack, Rantanen and Landy(should be Makar as he is the Avs second best player but since we are using forwards, will leave Landy or Rantanen)combined for 5 goals. While the TB trio combined for 3 of the 15 goals scored in the series.
To simply just focus on one stats without looking at another will paint an incorrect picture.

To say that the others need to pick up their games and score more in the playoffs while our top 3 amounted to 10% of goals scored in a series just doesn’t seem right.

 

[Hellcat]

One had tons of cap space, the other didn't...

Apples and oranges here.

The Murray trade ended up being good.

Jarnkrok may be the best signing of the bunch.

Tre brought in the best players, but all short term and his worst signings are his longest.

Who managed Toronto Cap for the last 4 years?

 

[Gabriel426]

BT job is to win the Cup.
Love him or hate him, Dubas is the most successful GM for the Leafs in the past 20 yrs or so due to the Leafs advancing to the 2nd round.
If BT can win the Cup or advance the Leafs to ECF, he will be more successful than Dubas.

 

[thusk]

If your top two plays together instead of spreading out on two lines. Going to be a bit hard to spread the offence.
Dubas built the roster, whether due to cap or whatever, in a way that AM, MM, JT and Willie needs to score around 60% or more inorder for the Leafs to win.
Also, although your stats painted a good picture but what you ignored is the total goals scored by the team.
Take the Panthers series, AM, MM and JT only combined for 10% of goals scored for the Leafs. If your supporting cast scores 90% of the goals in a series, don’t think it is fair to ask for supporting cast to score more goals.

In 2022, Kuch, Stammer and Point scored 6 of the 23 goals against the Leafs. But JT, AM and MM combined for 9 of 24 goals
While in 2023 those three combined for 5 of the 21 goals and JT, AM and MM combined for 10 of 22 goals.
Avs score 20 goals in the Finals and their top 3- Mack, Rantanen and Landy(should be Makar as he is the Avs second best player but since we are using forwards, will leave Landy or Rantanen)combined for 5 goals. While the TB trio combined for 3 of the 15 goals scored in the series.
To simply just focus on one stats without looking at another will paint an incorrect picture.

To say that the others need to pick up their games and score more in the playoffs while our top 3 amounted to 10% of goals scored in a series just doesn’t seem right.

The only thing i said its you cant only winning when your top 3 in attack scoring, you need to find a way to win game even if youe top player struggling on scoresheet... you need people to step up...

Yep you can watch florida series Mm AM WN was unable to score gm 1-2-3 ( not necessairly because they dont had good scoring chance but just didn't goes in ... result they was down 3-0... they had to find a way to be at least 1-2. Get a samsonov to step up at least 1 game, get anybody to step up during 1 game and be a difference maker.