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Jamason said:
I think too many people look at the names 'Bertuzzi' and 'Domi' and think of an earlier player.

Last year Tyler Bertuzzi's 3.93 hits per 60 tied him with Bunting at 113th of 179 left wingers. (Among players with >40 games, 64th of 109.)

Max Domi's 0.92 would put him at 170th.
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I think what stands out for me about these two is that they wont take shit from anybody. They will stand up for themselves and their teammates which imo has been lacking on this team.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
100+ point seasons are nice, but the bar is higher, it has to be
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Agreed ..

100+ point regular seasons and 1st round losses = wasted season and failure. We can't be handing out the biggest salaries in the NHL only to make the playoffs.

Lets hope the new additions made by our new GM are the ones that make the difference between playoff success and failure. :crossfing
 
kb said:
No, I was not doing simply GAA

Team defense.

And if one were to really look at it...the only real difference from the beginning of last seasons is Holl out, Klingberg in, and McCabe for a full season. Schenn was a deadline acquisition.

I will suggest there will be more load management this season, as the Leafs had a lot of injuries on the back end forcing Gio to be overplayed at times. Brodie went through a ton of personal stuff, and should rebound.
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Fair enough - what else went into it?

"Team defense" is exactly my point. 'Team defence' and 'defencemen' are not the same thing. We may have very good team defence without having very good defencemen.
 
Mess said:
Agreed ..

100+ point regular seasons and 1st round losses = wasted season and failure. We can't be handing out the biggest salaries in the NHL only to make the playoffs.

Lets hope the new additions made by our new GM are the ones that make the difference between playoff success and failure. :crossfing
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It doesn't matter who you surround the stars with, if they only get two goals in a series. They need to be the leaders who carry us to wins.
 
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Fogelhund said:
It doesn't matter who you surround the stars with, if they only get two goals in a series. They need to be the leaders who carry us to wins.
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In the playoffs, the top players sometimes get shut down cause they have the best defenders on them. Our problem is that when our big guys have been shut down in games 6 or 7, we've had NO secondary scoring at all, and that includes from our defencemen. I'm hoping that has been addressed with the acquistion of Domi, who had a great playoff with Dallas, and Bertuzzi who also did with the Bruins. Klingberg adds another dimension where we can score some points when our big boys go dry.
 
Fogelhund said:
It doesn't matter who you surround the stars with, if they only get two goals in a series. They need to be the leaders who carry us to wins.
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I don't know about you but I have more confidence in a supporting cast that includes Tyler Bertuzzi, Max Domi and Matthew Knies over a supporting cast that included Alex Kertfoot and Michael Bunting
 
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notbias said:
So Tavares is very gritty.

Holl had to be one the grittiest players, same with Kerfoot.
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Yes tavares is gritty and thats exactly why hes leafs captain... lesding by exemple and holl too ( he dont have an NHL carreer because of his skill)

Kerfoot no
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I don't know about you but I have more confidence in a supporting cast that includes Tyler Bertuzzi, Max Domi and Matthew Knies over a supporting cast that included Alex Kertfoot and Michael Bunting
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Over a supporting cast that included Kerfoot, Bunting AND Knies... Knies was there for the playoffs last year.

I mean... it's a theory, that we will find out about. I like the supporting cast, and I hope that they do better.. and only time will tell.
 
CabanaBoy5 said:
In the playoffs, the top players sometimes get shut down cause they have the best defenders on them. Our problem is that when our big guys have been shut down in games 6 or 7, we've had NO secondary scoring at all, and that includes from our defencemen. I'm hoping that has been addressed with the acquistion of Domi, who had a great playoff with Dallas, and Bertuzzi who also did with the Bruins. Klingberg adds another dimension where we can score some points when our big boys go dry.
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Elite top players don't get shut down when it counts, at least on winning teams. They find a way to be the best. Domi had a good year last year, but only 9 points in 24 games in the playoffs previously. Bertuzzi has only played in the playoffs once, last year, so we'll see. Bert's also had some injury issues, and missed quite a bit of time... so we hope he's available for the playoffs... it's a bit of wait and see.

Sure, when your top guys get shut down, in a game or two... yes, your depth needs to score. Overall an entire series, or playoffs... no depth is going to make the team win, when your top guys get shut down like they have in the past.... it's just not going to happen.
 
Fogelhund said:
Over a supporting cast that included Kerfoot, Bunting AND Knies... Knies was there for the playoffs last year.

I mean... it's a theory, that we will find out about. I like the supporting cast, and I hope that they do better.. and only time will tell.
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Knies is only a full time Leaf now
 
He has done 'enough' for now to give this team a shot. The most important thing he can do is something that will likely happen at the trade deadline. This team needs to add ONE thing more than anything else to have the best shot at the cup. A really good, 2-way (leaning more toward the D-zone) D-man.

You have a 2024 first rounder. Let it be known early it can be had for the right price, but that right price is a very good, Veteran D-man. You don't need a star (not looking for a Makar or Dahlin) but with the forward group the team has, ONE more guy who is not going to make a mistake in his own end and is really good at getting the puck up to that forward group.
 
He goes big game hunting whenever a good defenseman is remotely available like Hamonic, Weegar, Hanifin and Hamilton.

I don't see how he looks at our defense and conclude anything but he needs to make at least 1 substantial addition and maybe another after that.

Brodie is UFA after this year too.
 
Fogelhund said:
Elite top players don't get shut down when it counts, at least on winning teams. They find a way to be the best. Domi had a good year last year, but only 9 points in 24 games in the playoffs previously. Bertuzzi has only played in the playoffs once, last year, so we'll see. Bert's also had some injury issues, and missed quite a bit of time... so we hope he's available for the playoffs... it's a bit of wait and see.

Sure, when your top guys get shut down, in a game or two... yes, your depth needs to score. Overall an entire series, or playoffs... no depth is going to make the team win, when your top guys get shut down like they have in the past.... it's just not going to happen.
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Matthews has 22 goals and 22 assists in 50 playoff games. The past two playoffs he's been a point a game player. Mitch Marner has 10 goals and 37 assists in 50 playoff games. 22 points in 18 games the past two playoffs. Nylander has 17 goals and 23 assists in 50 playoff games. He's also been point a game in the last two playoffs.

This narrative that our elite players don't produce in the playoffs is simply not true. However, they have faltered in series clinching games. That's where your secondary scoring should be helping out. As for Domi not producing previous to last year, I'll take my chances that he will given what he did last playoffs. Also, why are you taking the negative slant with Bertuzzi. Anyone can get hurt before the playoffs. I'd love for our elite players to produce in key situations, but for whatever reasons, they haven't.

And, elite players DO get shut down in the playoffs. For example, Kucherov and Stamkos produced 3 goals in total against us in Rd 1. Sidney Crosby had 1 goal, 1 assist in 6 games in 2021, only 1 point two seasons prior. There are many many other examples.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
He goes big game hunting whenever a good defenseman is remotely available like Hamonic, Weegar, Hanifin and Hamilton.

I don't see how he looks at our defense and conclude anything but he needs to make at least 1 substantial addition and maybe another after that.

Brodie is UFA after this year too.
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Hamonic is a bottom pairing D now, and has been for several years.
 
CabanaBoy5 said:
And, elite players DO get shut down in the playoffs. For example, Kucherov and Stamkos produced 3 goals in total against us in Rd 1. Sidney Crosby had 1 goal, 1 assist in 6 games in 2021, only 1 point two seasons prior. There are many many other examples.
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Yes, and as a result, they lost. Thanks for proving the point.
 
mjd1001 said:
Historically, playoff scoring is about 4-5% less than in the regular season. Some years there are more goals per game than in the playoffs, most years less, but if you measure it and average it out, overall scoring is about 4%-5% less in the playoffs over the long term.

How about the Leafs top players?

I rounded my numbers, but the big 4 over the last 5 years in the playoffs:

Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season

Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs

Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs

Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.
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CabanaBoy5 said:
Matthews has 22 goals and 22 assists in 50 playoff games. The past two playoffs he's been a point a game player. Mitch Marner has 10 goals and 37 assists in 50 playoff games. 22 points in 18 games the past two playoffs. Nylander has 17 goals and 23 assists in 50 playoff games. He's also been point a game in the last two playoffs.

This narrative that our elite players don't produce in the playoffs is simply not true. However, they have faltered in series clinching games. That's where your secondary scoring should be helping out. As for Domi not producing previous to last year, I'll take my chances that he will given what he did last playoffs. Also, why are you taking the negative slant with Bertuzzi. Anyone can get hurt before the playoffs. I'd love for our elite players to produce in key situations, but for whatever reasons, they haven't.

And, elite players DO get shut down in the playoffs. For example, Kucherov and Stamkos produced 3 goals in total against us in Rd 1. Sidney Crosby had 1 goal, 1 assist in 6 games in 2021, only 1 point two seasons prior. There are many many other examples.
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Except it's 100% true - see the above.
 
Fogelhund said:
Yes, and as a result, they lost. Thanks for proving the point.
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LMAO, nice misdirection. You said "elite players don't get shut down..." and I said they do get shut down. I'm not sure what point was proved other than you've contradicted yourself. So basically you're agreeing with me that they can be shut down? :facepalm:
 
I don't think Tre has done enough to upgrade the D. If Rielly got hurt, it would be a mess back there.
 
BLONG7 said:
Waiting to see how he gets his team cap compliant, or at least LTIR compliant.....
What moves guys?
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It’s pretty easy, they can create various 20-21 man line ups with cap space depending on who’s on ltir or sent down
 
Welsh Maple Leaf said:
Yeah we can’t be having 100+ point seasons anymore - unacceptable :mad:
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I’m hoping that what we can’t do is fail in the playoffs for another 7 years…..Dubas’s real legacy

Nylanderthal said:
It’s pretty easy, they can create various 20-21 man line ups with cap space depending on who’s on ltir or sent down
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They can, but will they be teams capable of winning in the playoffs……something they have failed miserably the last 7 years.
 
I’m giving Tre a c minus so far. Same core with the real looming risk of Willy walking for nothing, same coach and a major over pay on a Dman that didn’t even last a couple of exhibition games without injury
 
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