Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Nylanderthal]

Season being the key word in your statement. Come playoff time it wont hold up.

Defense wasn’t the issue in the post season either. Carry on tho

and every year they are eliminated early

Every year only 2 teams get to the finals. What’s your point? The D wasn’t what held them back, scoring 2 goals in 7 straight playoff games held them back

 

[IPS]

Defense wasn’t the issue in the post season either. Carry on tho


Every year only 2 teams get to the finals. What’s your point? The D wasn’t what held them back, scoring 2 goals in 7 straight playoff games held them back

So upgrade offense then???

 

[Nylanderthal]

So upgrade offense then???

Is that not what they attempted to do this offseason? Bringing in Domi Bertuzzi and Klingberg on the back end? the OP of this conversation was me suggesting the hand wringing over the defence around here is way over done.

 

[thusk]

Defense wasn’t the issue in the post season either. Carry on tho


Every year only 2 teams get to the finals. What’s your point? The D wasn’t what held them back, scoring 2 goals in 7 straight playoff games held them back

Defence part as a team was not a problem but d group was a problem

Defensive is not about only 6 d, its about all the players on the ice and same for the offensive.

When your foward group suck defensivly, thats will hurt you defensivly pretty hard

Same if your d struggle in transition or offensive side, thats will hurt you pretty hard offensivly

 

[Welsh Maple Leaf]

He’s been atrocious, and we are about to watch it all unfold.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So upgrade offense then???

They did that when they replaced Kertfoot and Bunting with Bertuzzi, Domi and a full time Knies, as well as Holl with Klingberg where have you been?

 

[IPS]

Is that not what they attempted to do this offseason? Bringing in Domi Bertuzzi and Klingberg on the back end? the OP of this conversation was me suggesting the hand wringing over the defence around here is way over done.

What the hell is the point in having all that cap tied up in 4 forwards if you still need to upgrade offense cause it can't get you past the 2nd round? We already spend less cap on D than pretty well every other contender.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Much, much better than the previous guy.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Much, much better than the previous guy.

Certainly looks that way

 

[Mess]

Certainly looks that way

UFA Signings​

D John Klingberg (one year, $4.2MM)
D Marshall Rifai (two years, $1.6MM)*
D Maxime Lajoie (one year, $775K)*
D William Lagesson (one year, $775K)*
F Ryan Reaves (three years, $4MM)
F Max Domi (one year, $3MM)
F Tyler Bertuzzi (one year, $5.5MM)
F Dylan Gambrell (one year, $775K)
D Simon Benoit (one year, $775K)
G Martin Jones (one year, $875K)

The Leafs spent a combined $12.7MM on one year of John Klingberg, Tyler Bertuzzi, and Max Domi this off-season, spending big to patch holes at the top of their lineup. And while certainly on rich deals, all three players have the opportunity to be difference-makers quickly. Domi and Bertuzzi should get a full run at top-six minutes with the team’s forward group, while Klingberg’s upside could be as high as playing on the top defensive pair.

 

[BLONG7]

Waiting to see how he gets his team cap compliant, or at least LTIR compliant.....
What moves guys?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Waiting to see how he gets his team cap compliant, or at least LTIR compliant.....
What moves guys?

Sending guys down

 

[CabanaBoy5]

UFA Signings​

D John Klingberg (one year, $4.2MM)
D Marshall Rifai (two years, $1.6MM)*
D Maxime Lajoie (one year, $775K)*
D William Lagesson (one year, $775K)*
F Ryan Reaves (three years, $4MM)
F Max Domi (one year, $3MM)
F Tyler Bertuzzi (one year, $5.5MM)
F Dylan Gambrell (one year, $775K)
D Simon Benoit (one year, $775K)
G Martin Jones (one year, $875K)

The Leafs spent a combined $12.7MM on one year of John Klingberg, Tyler Bertuzzi, and Max Domi this off-season, spending big to patch holes at the top of their lineup. And while certainly on rich deals, all three players have the opportunity to be difference-makers quickly. Domi and Bertuzzi should get a full run at top-six minutes with the team’s forward group, while Klingberg’s upside could be as high as playing on the top defensive pair.

Tre addressed perceived needs of the team after last year's disappointing playoffs against Florida. Domi and Bertuzzi, will make our team grittier and Klingberg adds an element to the powerplay that we have lacked, the threat of a booming shot from the point. Reaves should be able to take care of any shenanigans other teams try against our core 4. I think Tre has done a very good job thus far.

 

[BLONG7]

Sending guys down

Do you think they will run with 20 man roster all season ?

 

[notbias]

Tre addressed perceived needs of the team after last year's disappointing playoffs against Florida. Domi and Bertuzzi, will make our team grittier and Klingberg adds an element to the powerplay that we have lacked, the threat of a booming shot from the point. Reaves should be able to take care of any shenanigans other teams try against our core 4. I think Tre has done a very good job thus far.

Is our team grittier?

ROR, Schenn, Acciari are all gone.

You've seen how gritty Domi is (not at all).

Reaves sat by and watched the guy who'd actually fight him take runs last night, not holding my breath that he would help in any way.

Bertuzzi looks like he grinds a lot, he is fun to watch.

I think Tre has shuffled chairs and it is essentially the same team as last year.

The one thing he has done that I like is take away from the defensive side of the team and add to the offense, we have lacked goal scoring in the playoffs and been pretty good defensively, so good job there.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Do you think they will run with 20 man roster all season ?

Well injury happens so probably not but to start the year? yeah

 

[horner]

Is our team grittier?

ROR, Schenn, Acciari are all gone.

You've seen how gritty Domi is (not at all).

Reaves sat by and watched the guy who'd actually fight him take runs last night, not holding my breath that he would help in any way.

Bertuzzi looks like he grinds a lot, he is fun to watch.

I think Tre has shuffled chairs and it is essentially the same team as last year.

The one thing he has done that I like is take away from the defensive side of the team and add to the offense, we have lacked goal scoring in the playoffs and been pretty good defensively, so good job there.

You don't think domi is gritty
I don't think you have watched him play ?

Reeves wasn't on the ice when all the fun began

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Is our team grittier?

ROR, Schenn, Acciari are all gone.

You've seen how gritty Domi is (not at all).

Reaves sat by and watched the guy who'd actually fight him take runs last night, not holding my breath that he would help in any way.

Bertuzzi looks like he grinds a lot, he is fun to watch.

I think Tre has shuffled chairs and it is essentially the same team as last year.

The one thing he has done that I like is take away from the defensive side of the team and add to the offense, we have lacked goal scoring in the playoffs and been pretty good defensively, so good job there.

Domi definitely makes the team grittier. He got right into the mix when Xhekaj got his double minor in the second period. That is something that was lacking from last year's team, including the slow as molasses ROR and the offensively challenged Acciari. When scrums develop, I'm tired of watching our guys get rag-dolled or walk away. I think Reaves, when he plays, Domi and Bertuzzi will do that. I also notice our players finishing their checks much more than in the past. Let's see what happens in the regular season.

 

[notbias]

You don't think domi is gritty
I don't think you have watched him play ?

Reeves wasn't on the ice when all the fun began

Domi was and did nothing, he also barely hits.

What is gritty about Domi? He fights sometimes or sucker punches people, sure if that is your definition, he is gritty.

But it is ironic that you are telling me I don't watch him.

Domi played 80 games last year, he was 9th last in hits for players playing that amount or more.

He outhit Nylander by 4 hits.

What makes Domi gritty?

Blocked shots? 20th from the bottom.

Domi is all stick, as you've seen from some of his penalties, he has a lot of takeaways from using his stick, but he is a skill guy, not a gritty player.

Domi definitely makes the team grittier. He got right into the mix when Xhekaj got his double minor in the second period. That is something that was lacking from last year's team, including the slow as molasses ROR and the offensively challenged Acciari. When scrums develop, I'm tired of watching our guys get rag-dolled or walk away. I think Reaves, when he plays, Domi and Bertuzzi will do that. I also notice our players finishing their checks much more than in the past. Let's see what happens in the regular season.

Domi did nothing in that scrum... our whole team jumped in, I think Rielly was most active, but sure, it is nice that he was there with the team.

Domi also got ran by Xhekaj, looked at who is was and then left it... Domi fights, but he picks his spots.

Not sure what you are describing is grit, and if it is, Tavares was probably the "grittiest" player we had last night.

 

[Fogelhund]

You don't think domi is gritty
I don't think you have watched him play ?

Reeves wasn't on the ice when all the fun began

Isn't the whole idea of Reaves, to put him on the ice to keep the other team in check? Someone does something, he goes out the next time the offending player from the other team is out there and deals with it? That didn't happen, which is weird given this was a meaningless pre-season game... at least meaningless to what the result was, but Reaves coming out when Wifi was out next, and taking him out would have sent a useful message for the regular season.

Instead, our player received a somewhat dirty hit, and nothing happened... that message is pretty clear too.

I mean, Reaves is a liability of a hockey player... so if he doesn't do his thing, what use is he?

... and in what respects is Domi gritty? What is it he does that is gritty?

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Domi was and did nothing, he also barely hits.

What is gritty about Domi? He fights sometimes or sucker punches people, sure if that is your definition, he is gritty.

But it is ironic that you are telling me I don't watch him.

Domi played 80 games last year, he was 9th last in hits for players playing that amount or more.

He outhit Nylander by 4 hits.

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What makes Domi gritty?

Blocked shots? 20th from the bottom.

Domi is all stick, as you've seen from some of his penalties, he has a lot of takeaways from using his stick, but he is a skill guy, not a gritty player.



Domi did nothing in that scrum... our whole team jumped in, I think Rielly was most active, but sure, it is nice that he was there with the team.

Domi also got ran by Xhekaj, looked at who is was and then left it... Domi fights, but he picks his spots.

Not sure what you are describing is grit, and if it is, Tavares was probably the "grittiest" player we had last night.

Hits are not the only determining factor in whether a player is gritty. If it was, the 19th ranked hitter Nick Ritchie is a gritty player. We all saw how gritty he was with the Leafs. Domi has been described by many hockey analysts as a "gritty" player. He'll skate hard, fight occasionally, join in scrums, stirs things up on the ice, finishes his checks, and yes, use his stick. A motivated Domi will show more of these characteristics. I agree he leans more towards the offensive part of the game but he is a gritty player. Watch this recent video, if this doesn't display grit then I don't know what definition you are using.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Is our team grittier?

ROR, Schenn, Acciari are all gone.

You've seen how gritty Domi is (not at all).

Reaves sat by and watched the guy who'd actually fight him take runs last night, not holding my breath that he would help in any way.

Bertuzzi looks like he grinds a lot, he is fun to watch.

I think Tre has shuffled chairs and it is essentially the same team as last year.

The one thing he has done that I like is take away from the defensive side of the team and add to the offense, we have lacked goal scoring in the playoffs and been pretty good defensively, so good job there.

I think too many people look at the names 'Bertuzzi' and 'Domi' and think of an earlier player.

Last year Tyler Bertuzzi's 3.93 hits per 60 tied him with Bunting at 113th of 179 left wingers. (Among players with >40 games, 64th of 109.)

Max Domi's 0.92 would put him at 170th.

 

[Apotheosis]

The only other thing (admittedly it would be hard because no one is trading them) is if he could have gotten a more 2 way minute munching top 4/top pairing D to complement or help Rielly with the load in the playoffs (who, mind you, was amazing). Other than that, this top to bottom is the most balanced the Leafs have been in a while. Just shelter Kling and give him PP1 minutes and watch the scoring problems in the playoffs go away.

 

[Fogelhund]

Hits are not the only determining factor in whether a player is gritty. If it was, the 19th ranked hitter Nick Ritchie is a gritty player. We all saw how gritty he was with the Leafs. Domi has been described by many hockey analysts as a "gritty" player. He'll skate hard, fight occasionally, join in scrums, stirs things up on the ice, finishes his checks, and yes, use his stick. A motivated Domi will show more of these characteristics. I agree he leans more towards the offensive part of the game but he is a gritty player. Watch this recent video, if this doesn't display grit then I don't know what definition you are using.

Skating hard isn't gritty. Nylander skates hard.

6 fights in 4 seasons... I mean.. I guess.

He joins in some scrums, skates away from others.

Finishes checks? Hardly ever.

As the season goes by, I think we'll find that he's much less gritty, than people's perception of him.

 

[notbias]

Hits are not the only determining factor in whether a player is gritty. If it was, the 19th ranked hitter Nick Ritchie is a gritty player. We all saw how gritty he was with the Leafs. Domi has been described by many hockey analysts as a "gritty" player. He'll skate hard, fight occasionally, join in scrums, stirs things up on the ice, finishes his checks, and yes, use his stick. A motivated Domi will show more of these characteristics. I agree he leans more towards the offensive part of the game but he is a gritty player. Watch this recent video, if this doesn't display grit then I don't know what definition you are using.

A hockey analyst just described Bunting as a loss on the PK last night... most are clueless as far as I am concerned.

"He'll skate hard, fight occasionally, join in scrums, stirs things up on the ice, finishes his checks, and yes, use his stick."

You are telling me you don't watch him if you think he finishes his checks... he finishes them at the same rate that Nylander does.

Domi fights, but he picks his spots.

He isn't a gritty player, he is a skilled player who will drop the gloves, that's what I see.

I think he is tough, but not gritty.

The video is him jumping a non-fighter, not sure how gritty that is.