Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[CabanaBoy5]

Skating hard isn't gritty. Nylander skates hard.

6 fights in 4 seasons... I mean.. I guess.

He joins in some scrums, skates away from others.

Finishes checks? Hardly ever.

As the season goes by, I think we'll find that he's much less gritty, than people's perception of him.

I guess it depends on your definition of what "grit" is. If your definition includes determination, resilience, having a good work ethic, and perserverance, then hits isn't the only measuring stick. Skating hard shows determination and shows a characteristic of grit. Joining scrums and standing up for your teammates, even if you pick your spots, shows grit. Willing to fight, shows grit. Heck, the fact he has Type 1 diabetes and goes out there and competes the way he does shows grit. I think that as the season goes by, you'll learn to appreciate the type of grit he displays.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

A hockey analyst just described Bunting as a loss on the PK last night... most are clueless as far as I am concerned.

"He'll skate hard, fight occasionally, join in scrums, stirs things up on the ice, finishes his checks, and yes, use his stick."

You are telling me you don't watch him if you think he finishes his checks... he finishes them at the same rate that Nylander does.

Domi fights, but he picks his spots.

He isn't a gritty player, he is a skilled player who will drop the gloves, that's what I see.

I think he is tough, but not gritty.

"fights"..."drop the gloves"..."tough"......I agree. But you're contradicting yourself because those are elements of grit. In the video he's standing up for his team mate, who was checked from behind. Doesn't matter who it was, he stood up. That's why analysts say he displays grit.

 

[notbias]

"fights"..."drop the gloves"..."tough"......I agree. But you're contradicting yourself because those are elements of grit. In the video he's standing up for his team mate, who was checked from behind. Doesn't matter who it was, he stood up. That's why analysts say he displays grit.

The fact you needed to use "fights" and "drops the gloves" to describe grit... they are the same thing.

I just don't think we have the same definition of grit.

Acciari is 100x grittier than Domi and rarely fights.

Domi has had the same amount of fights as Holl in the last 2 years, and Holl sacrifices his body more, I'd consider him grittier than Domi.

Domi is a better fighter and scarier than the people I mentioned, but not grittier.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Once again, fights are not the sole criteria for displaying grit, just like hits aren’t. Our definitions of grit differ and I’ve already outlined what mine, and other knowledgeable hockey people’s definition is. I feel you have a preconceived notion as to who Domi is and won’t accept that some feel he’s a gritty player. Maybe he doesn’t fit into your definition, but does into others. I hope your feelings are not clouded by a dislike for Treliving. After all, he did say Domi adds “snot” to the roster, another descriptor for grit.

Domi stands up for Robertson after dirty crosscheck from Habs defenseman

Tempers flared in Monday night's pre-season game between the Maple Leafs and Canadiens, with Domi, Robertson at the forefront. Watch here

www.mapleleafsinsider.com

 

[Maple Leaf]

Once again, fights are not the sole criteria for displaying grit, just like hits aren’t. Our definitions of grit differ and I’ve already outlined what mine, and other knowledgeable hockey people’s definition is. I feel you have a preconceived notion as to who Domi is and won’t accept that some feel he’s a gritty player. Maybe he doesn’t fit into your definition, but does into others. I hope your feelings are not clouded by a dislike for Treliving. After all, he did say Domi adds “snot” to the roster, another descriptor for grit.

Domi stands up for Robertson after dirty crosscheck from Habs defenseman

Tempers flared in Monday night's pre-season game between the Maple Leafs and Canadiens, with Domi, Robertson at the forefront. Watch here

www.mapleleafsinsider.com

Snot?

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Snot?

Snot!

Brad Treliving regrets one thing with Maple Leafs’ roster changes

The GM admit to one regret after his summer’s additions…

www.hockeyfeed.com

 

[Menzinger]

Imo the teams "grit factor" isn't going to be too observable during any preseason games. And probably most of the season since it will be a fairly easy path to locking in a playoff spot.

Whether or not Tres moves this summer will pay off in terms of toughness get settled in round 1 in 2024

 

[hullsy47]

Imo the teams "grit factor" isn't going to be too observable during any preseason games. And probably most of the season since it will be a fairly easy path to locking in a playoff spot.

Whether or not Tres moves this summer will pay off in terms of toughness get settled in round 1 in 2024

Treliving will be judged if willy walks for nothing and the leafs defence isn't upgraded
But Shanahan will be canned first for allowing this mess to begin with

 

[saffronleaf]

Treliving will be judged if willy walks for nothing and the leafs defence isn't upgraded
But Shanahan will be canned first for allowing this mess to begin with

yes fire shanahan and bring back dubas

 

[Nineteen67]

Imo the teams "grit factor" isn't going to be too observable during any preseason games. And probably most of the season since it will be a fairly easy path to locking in a playoff spot.

Whether or not Tres moves this summer will pay off in terms of toughness get settled in round 1 in 2024

With their D making the playoff is not a certainty. An injury on D wouldn’t change anything but a couple of forward injuries and it could go south.
I listened to some of Siegal and Mirtle Leafs Report and they rank their D in the 14 range. Like every other year their D is the weakest of all Eastern playoff contending teams and they’re probably worse than last year.

 

[kb]

With their D making the playoff is not a certainty. An injury on D wouldn’t change anything but a couple of forward injuries and it could go south.
I listened to some of Siegal and Mirtle Leafs Report and they rank their D in the 14 range. Like every other year their D is the weakest of all Eastern playoff contending teams and they’re probably worse than last year.

Ah, so we rely on talking heads for absolutes now? Stop listening to clowns who know squat.

They were the 7th ranked D last year IIRC.

 

[Nineteen67]

Ah, so we rely on talking heads for absolutes now? Stop listening to clowns who know squat.

They were the 7th ranked D last year IIRC.

I rely on my eyes and the results. They’ve had the worst D in most playoffs ( probably more like all playoff years) they’ve been in and the results are not overly surprising. I haven’t heard many if any analyst disagree. Sort of known flaw.

 

[Menzinger]

With their D making the playoff is not a certainty. An injury on D wouldn’t change anything but a couple of forward injuries and it could go south.
I listened to some of Siegal and Mirtle Leafs Report and they rank their D in the 14 range. Like every other year their D is the weakest of all Eastern playoff contending teams and they’re probably worse than last year.

Not sure I'd agree with that. Having McCabe all season is a big plus + a healthy Klingberg should be as impactful as Holl (albeit in different ways).

Boston and Tampa are worse teams and the bottom of the division last year all remain biq question marks this year. Leafs should be comfortably in a position near top of the division by us thanksgiving in November imo.

 

[thusk]

The fact you needed to use "fights" and "drops the gloves" to describe grit... they are the same thing.

I just don't think we have the same definition of grit.

Acciari is 100x grittier than Domi and rarely fights.

Domi has had the same amount of fights as Holl in the last 2 years, and Holl sacrifices his body more, I'd consider him grittier than Domi.

Domi is a better fighter and scarier than the people I mentioned, but not grittier.

Gritty is not about hit, blocking shot or those kind of things... its about working hard, going in dirty area, taking hit, winning 1v1 battle

 

[LeafEgo]

The stats crowd is perplexed trying to run down every number possible and understand why there is consensus in the hockey world that Domi is gritty.

Domi focuses on a skill game but when things start getting ugly you want more Domi's and less Kerfoots, just the way it is.

 

[authentic]

Imo the teams "grit factor" isn't going to be too observable during any preseason games. And probably most of the season since it will be a fairly easy path to locking in a playoff spot.

Whether or not Tres moves this summer will pay off in terms of toughness get settled in round 1 in 2024

Or hopefully round 2 this time around

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Imo the teams "grit factor" isn't going to be too observable during any preseason games. And probably most of the season since it will be a fairly easy path to locking in a playoff spot.

Whether or not Tres moves this summer will pay off in terms of toughness get settled in round 1 in 2024

I agree, and one of the reasons that Treliving signed Domi and Bertuzzi is because they had very successful playoffs last spring. He feels these guys are going to display the "toughness" that is needed to go far in the playoffs in 2024.

 

[Racer88]

What the hell is the point in having all that cap tied up in 4 forwards if you still need to upgrade offense cause it can't get you past the 2nd round? We already spend less cap on D than pretty well every other contender.

I agree with this 100% 1 round win with this core is a awful

 

[Racer88]

I agree, and one of the reasons that Treliving signed Domi and Bertuzzi is because they had very successful playoffs last spring. He feels these guys are going to display the "toughness" that is needed to go far in the playoffs in 2024.

Unless the core 4 decide to show up we are not going anywhere in the playoffs. All the rest is just the same smoke and mirrors we have seen the last 7 years

 

[notbias]

Gritty is not about hit, blocking shot or those kind of things... its about working hard, going in dirty area, taking hit, winning 1v1 battle

So Tavares is very gritty.

Holl had to be one the grittiest players, same with Kerfoot.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Ah, so we rely on talking heads for absolutes now? Stop listening to clowns who know squat.

They were the 7th ranked D last year IIRC.

We have to be careful to separate 'the defencemen' and 'the team defence' when assessing.

I assume "7th ranked D" refers to the goals allowed. If so, that's a team stat, and as a team (which includes forwards and goalies), we were good. On the other hand, I don't think our collection of defencemen ranks much better than middle of the pack.

 

[Gary Nylund]

We have to be careful to separate 'the defencemen' and 'the team defence' when assessing.

"Seventh in the league" is a team stat, and as a team (which includes forwards and goalies), we were good. On the other hand, I don't think our collection of defencemen ranks much better than middle of the pack.

Excellent point! Brodie and Gio project to be mediocre parts at best this season, we lost Holl who's better than people here give him credit for and Klinberg isn't known for playing D. The overall picture isn't pretty to say the least.

 

[kb]

We have to be careful to separate 'the defencemen' and 'the team defence' when assessing.

I assume "7th ranked D" refers to the goals allowed. If so, that's a team stat, and as a team (which includes forwards and goalies), we were good. On the other hand, I don't think our collection of defencemen ranks much better than middle of the pack.

No, I was not doing simply GAA

Team defense.

And if one were to really look at it...the only real difference from the beginning of last seasons is Holl out, Klingberg in, and McCabe for a full season. Schenn was a deadline acquisition.

I will suggest there will be more load management this season, as the Leafs had a lot of injuries on the back end forcing Gio to be overplayed at times. Brodie went through a ton of personal stuff, and should rebound.

 

[Gary Nylund]

No, I was not doing simply GAA

Team defense.

And if one were to really look at it...the only real difference from the beginning of last seasons is Holl out, Klingberg in, and McCabe for a full season. Schenn was a deadline acquisition.

I will suggest there will be more load management this season, as the Leafs had a lot of injuries on the back end forcing Gio to be overplayed at times. Brodie went through a ton of personal stuff, and should rebound.

We also don't have Sandin which may not be a huge loss, but it's nothing either. And Gio fell off hard last season, him being a year older is pretty substantial at this point. I mean a year ago we were still expecting him to play pretty well for us but at this point, I don't think anyone is expecting a meaningful contribution from him.

 

[All Mod Cons]

It's a work in progress situation with this team. A bit of a project.

You can't unf*** the Dubas era in one summer.