Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Punch Drunk Loov]

It would be a strange place for management to be in... let him walk for nothing? Even with the cap space, it could be difficult to make the team better after. But it's improbable that you can trade him either... catch 22 situation. Plus what about the dynamics between Matthews and Marner... does Matthews sulk and want out after? Personally, I don't know the internal dynamics and how that would affect things.

I hope Matthews and his friendship doesn't impact our decision. His happiness is very important, but that's what the money is for, to keep him pleased. I hope we don't feel the need to open up the safe and pay a very good player in Marner, elite MVP level cash which would be a mistake

 

[Shooter2x]

Klingberg - Fail
Domi - Fail
Bertuzzi - Fail
Reaves - lmao I can’t even
Kampf resigning 3 years - Lmao joke
Contracts… all of them garbage

I need some sort of explanation how the f*** this happens and still be employed.

Quick puck movement skill from the back end doesn't grow on trees.

With Rielly out, we're not even 32nd ranked in skill on D. We don't deserve to be ranked at all. Exiled from the league.

Mind boggling that there's still people who can't understand why the Klingberg 1 year gamble was necessary.

 

[Fogelhund]

Quick puck movement skill from the back end doesn't grow on trees.

With Rielly out, we're not even 32nd ranked in skill on D. We don't deserve to be ranked at all. Exiled from the league.

Mind boggling that there's still people who can't understand why the Klingberg 1 year gamble was necessary.

It wasn't... there were better, cheaper choices available... as everyone can see now, no choice was even better. I mean anyone paying any attention at all, knew that Klingberg was cooked as a player.

 

[ACC1224]

Giving Marner 12-13M+ will be the final nail in the coffin at our chances I'd think. 100% my mind will change if he pops off and scores 10G+ this playoffs and has an actual impact on us winning multiple series'

However, going 6A and 3G, I would not re-sign at that amount under any circumstances

This isn't tennis. Players rarely, if ever, single handily win a series in a Team Sport.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Quick puck movement skill from the back end doesn't grow on trees.

With Rielly out, we're not even 32nd ranked in skill on D. We don't deserve to be ranked at all. Exiled from the league.

Mind boggling that there's still people who can't understand why the Klingberg 1 year gamble was necessary.

Couldn’t have been Ghostisbehere or Dumba at similar 1 year deals? Had to be the broken one with the worst defensive instincts in the league?

 

[Shooter2x]

Couldn’t have been Ghostisbehere or Dumba at similar 1 year deals? Had to be the broken one with the worst defensive instincts in the league?

Dumba has 6 points in 48 games averaging 20 minutes a game lol. I'd be sitting here making the same "it was worth the gamble in hindsight" for Dumba if he dared put up those offensive numbers here. This place would have eaten that signing alive by now. Waste of almost 4 mil cap.

In hindsight Ghost would have been better yeah but it's UFA, whose to say we didn't send an offer but he wanted to play in Detroit? Ghost comes with his own question marks too. He's not a name that stands out as a must own player among the batch of options. You just have to throw a dart and hope your choice ends up the best one.

A bit exaggerated to say worst defensive instincts in the league. At the end of the day a healthy Klingberg averaging 0.5 points a game would have been a nice addition to the overall build of the team. Especially with a signing like Benoit balancing other areas.

It didn't work out. Time to move on.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Couldn’t have been Ghostisbehere or Dumba at similar 1 year deals? Had to be the broken one with the worst defensive instincts in the league?

Have you ever seen Dumba try to QB a powerplay He's not even a Klingberg-lite.

If he's our deadline addition, I'm joining the Tre hate party.

 

[Buds17]

It wasn't... there were better, cheaper choices available... as everyone can see now, no choice was even better. I mean anyone paying any attention at all, knew that Klingberg was cooked as a player.

He had a combined 33 points in 67 games (regular season) and four points in four playoff games. Overpriced at 4.15M? A little bit. Poor defensively? Sure. Cooked? How so?

 

[Buds17]

Couldn’t have been Ghostisbehere or Dumba at similar 1 year deals? Had to be the broken one with the worst defensive instincts in the league?

Dumba isn't quite filling a similar role to what Klingberg would have done here though. Meanwhile, Gostisbehere has 20 of his 32 points attributed to the PP while also being poor defensively (and that kind of role on the PP isn't likely to have happened here).

 

[Da Mash]

Tre missed.....at least they were only 1 yr contracts...

We need secondary scoring....hopefully Bert starts to put them in the net soon. He has had his chances.

Give more ice time to the younger guys if things dont change.

 

[Fogelhund]

He had a combined 33 points in 67 games (regular season) and four points in four playoff games. Overpriced at 4.15M? A little bit. Poor defensively? Sure. Cooked? How so?

""

Utter disaster defensively.... Not just poor... but terrible. That's cooked... He's such a liability on the ice, that his offense doesn't matter... he's cooked.

 

[Buds17]

""

Utter disaster defensively.... Not just poor... but terrible. That's cooked... He's such a liability on the ice, that his offense doesn't matter... he's cooked.

That has obviously been the case more often than not in recent seasons, yes. His brief time with MIN could arguably be looked at as an exception (to being a total liability) though. Either way, what's done is done and we move onward and forward (while always hoping for better).

 

[Jojalu]

Intersting that both shows talked about Schenn wanting to stay, but couldn't turn down the 3 year 2.75 mil.

In retrospect, BT would have been better served giving Schenn the 1 year, 4 million he gave to Klingberg.

Maybe Schenn still says no.

 

[fancy lad]

It is beyond frustrating, but what can we do? We just need to be patient for another 8 or 9 years and then go from there.

That’s crazy. How can we as fans see it but a professional general manager whos job it is to build a competitive team not see it?

I’m sure brad knows what’s up. Hes not that dumb.

 

[Menzinger]

Intersting that both shows talked about Schenn wanting to stay, but couldn't turn down the 3 year 2.75 mil.

In retrospect, BT would have been better served giving Schenn the 1 year, 4 million he gave to Klingberg.

Maybe Schenn still says no.

Eh, Schens contract still looks fairly rough. Imo a better example of a miss is Carson Soucy who would have been a better option at under 4 mil than either Klingberg and his dead weight or even trading assets for Tanev..

Though obviously can't say for sure if he would have came to Toronto to begin with

 

[DraftSchmaft]

You're a bum if you don't lock up Benoit long term soon Tre.

 

[Shooter2x]

""

Utter disaster defensively.... Not just poor... but terrible. That's cooked... He's such a liability on the ice, that his offense doesn't matter... he's cooked.

And what exactly are you trying to prove?

There was a point in time Klingberg was better than Josi in the following: primary assists, point shot set ups, high danger shot assists, controlled entries, exits with possession, exit attempts.

You found a war% twitter post and think you proved Klingberg was a bad gamble?

For what WE NEED on the back end, gambling that Klingberg can remain healthy enough to find even 75% of his offensive game he has left was worth a shot. Look at the forwards he gets to pass to. He's not on a lottery team.

This Klingberg situation is so exaggerated and overblown. You guys need to get over it already.

Leafs are cooked on skill from D. That's what you should focus on to understand the Klingberg gamble.

 

[Havoc]

Leafs are cooked on skill from D.

So true lol. The "not even skilled enough to be worth ranking dead last" can't even be debated

 

[Shooter2x]

So true lol. The "not even skilled enough to be worth ranking dead last" can't even be debated

You have to pay an arm and a leg if you want a proven transition D via trade. These are the most sought after dmen. The overall game impact and game organization out weighs what they lack defensively. You can literally stack up playoff wins just grinding out point shot set ups, controlled entries and high danger passes.

We can't go the trade route. Not only is it too expensive but teams aren't willing to part with their transition D. We had to go the "maybe this player on the decline has one more above average season left in them" route. Anyone reasonable can admit it was an acceptable choice out of the gambling options. Klingberg genuinely hits elite metrics with respects to his possession and "control" metrics on his good games. Maybe not recently (but that's why he's available for a gamble) but for the majority of his career, yes.

 

[Fogelhund]

And what exactly are you trying to prove?

There was a point in time Klingberg was better than Josi in the following: primary assists, point shot set ups, high danger shot assists, controlled entries, exits with possession, exit attempts.

You found a war% twitter post and think you proved Klingberg was a bad gamble?

For what WE NEED on the back end, gambling that Klingberg can remain healthy enough to find even 75% of his offensive game he has left was worth a shot. Look at the forwards he gets to pass to. He's not on a lottery team.

This Klingberg situation is so exaggerated and overblown. You guys need to get over it already.

Leafs are cooked on skill from D. That's what you should focus on to understand the Klingberg gamble.

Sorry, anyone paying attention knew that this situation with Klingberg, would unfold basically as it did.... I'm talking about his play, not the LTIR. He was a bad gamble, isn't good anymore. Gambling on a crap player, is a crap gamble... and if you think somehow picking up a player who isn't good anymore is anything near a good gamble, I don't know what to say.

About 75% of the fanbase panned the move, because they knew he wasn't good. Here is the signing thread.... Confirmed with Link: - Leafs sign RHD John Klingberg (1 year, $4.15M) | UPD 11/23: LTIR

Dom Luszczyszyn: It’s much more likely though that this will be a huge swing-and-a-miss, one that in one fell swoop massively hurts a defensive game that the Leafs have spent years fortifying. Klingberg isn’t just your ordinary defensive black hole, he was objectively the most porous defenseman last season. It’s possible that’s the Anaheim effect, but even in a short stint with the Wild, Klingberg allowed a massive amount of chances relative to the team. And that was mostly in a sheltered role.
@Dekes For Days said
He's basically Barrie, except older, more expensive, worse offensively, worse defensively, and coming off of his worst season instead of a top tier playoffs.
Will be interesting to see some of the comments around here from people who hated Barrie.

@seventieslord said
Absolute garbage move. I have no idea what treliving is thinking. This guy is so cooked and everybody knows it, I have no idea who we would have even been bidding against at this price. He's the worst defensive defenseman in the league. Didn't we already know who our top six defenseman were? Who's losing playing time because we have this bonehead on our roster now?

October 29, 2022 Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

Klingberg has become a tire fire defensively, not that it was ever his strength. IMO, we need a defensive upgrade, not an offensive player, who is weak defensively. This would be like obtaining a poorer version of Barrie again.

July 14, 2022 GDT: - Free Agent Frenzy 2022

While Klingberg improves our offensive ability, it decreases our defensive ability. I don't think that makes sense right now, to further erode our defensively ability, and physicality.

March 4, 2022 GDT: - Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IX

I don't think Klinberg adds what we need.

We need to be better defensively, and tougher to play against. Klingberg doesn't do that for us.

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Adding bad players, is never a good gamble... ever. It was obvious two years ago, it was obvious this past summer... if you actually watched someone other than the Leafs play, you might know that some players are good, or bad... beyond a WAR chart.. but that WAR chart does tell the whole story, as does JFresh's comments.

 

[hullsy47]

Quick puck movement skill from the back end doesn't grow on trees.

With Rielly out, we're not even 32nd ranked in skill on D. We don't deserve to be ranked at all. Exiled from the league.

Mind boggling that there's still people who can't understand why the Klingberg 1 year gamble was necessary.

It may have been necessary but it's been horrible
Jarmo kakkalainen fired for those results
This team without mathews ,gulp is barely a wild card team
Is anybody in MSLE even watching

 

[rumman]

Giving Marner 12-13M+ will be the final nail in the coffin at our chances I'd think. 100% my mind will change if he pops off and scores 10G+ this playoffs and has an actual impact on us winning multiple series'

However, going 6A and 3G, I would not re-sign at that amount under any circumstances

Your right, as long as Marner isn’t given another ridiculous contract and JT is gone or playing for peanuts there is still a sliver of hope……..

I hope Matthews and his friendship doesn't impact our decision. His happiness is very important, but that's what the money is for, to keep him pleased. I hope we don't feel the need to open up the safe and pay a very good player in Marner, elite MVP level cash which would be a mistake

He’ll aways have Bieber……..

 

[hullsy47]

Omg .are u serious .this is a business
A results based business
U don't over pay some one cause u don't want to upset mathews lol
This bunch is lucky 2 of this core isn't gone for the defenseman they need

 

[seventieslord]

Sorry, anyone paying attention knew that this situation with Klingberg, would unfold basically as it did.... I'm talking about his play, not the LTIR. He was a bad gamble, isn't good anymore. Gambling on a crap player, is a crap gamble... and if you think somehow picking up a player who isn't good anymore is anything near a good gamble, I don't know what to say.

About 75% of the fanbase panned the move, because they knew he wasn't good. Here is the signing thread.... Confirmed with Link: - Leafs sign RHD John Klingberg (1 year, $4.15M) | UPD 11/23: LTIR

Dom Luszczyszyn: It’s much more likely though that this will be a huge swing-and-a-miss, one that in one fell swoop massively hurts a defensive game that the Leafs have spent years fortifying. Klingberg isn’t just your ordinary defensive black hole, he was objectively the most porous defenseman last season. It’s possible that’s the Anaheim effect, but even in a short stint with the Wild, Klingberg allowed a massive amount of chances relative to the team. And that was mostly in a sheltered role.
@Dekes For Days said
He's basically Barrie, except older, more expensive, worse offensively, worse defensively, and coming off of his worst season instead of a top tier playoffs.
Will be interesting to see some of the comments around here from people who hated Barrie.

@seventieslord said
Absolute garbage move. I have no idea what treliving is thinking. This guy is so cooked and everybody knows it, I have no idea who we would have even been bidding against at this price. He's the worst defensive defenseman in the league. Didn't we already know who our top six defenseman were? Who's losing playing time because we have this bonehead on our roster now?

October 29, 2022 Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

Klingberg has become a tire fire defensively, not that it was ever his strength. IMO, we need a defensive upgrade, not an offensive player, who is weak defensively. This would be like obtaining a poorer version of Barrie again.

July 14, 2022 GDT: - Free Agent Frenzy 2022

While Klingberg improves our offensive ability, it decreases our defensive ability. I don't think that makes sense right now, to further erode our defensively ability, and physicality.

March 4, 2022 GDT: - Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IX

I don't think Klinberg adds what we need.

We need to be better defensively, and tougher to play against. Klingberg doesn't do that for us.

------------------------------------

Adding bad players, is never a good gamble... ever. It was obvious two years ago, it was obvious this past summer... if you actually watched someone other than the Leafs play, you might know that some players are good, or bad... beyond a WAR chart.. but that WAR chart does tell the whole story, as does JFresh's comments.

My comments aged like wine

 

[Shooter2x]

My comments aged like wine

Most UFA signings are a disappointment coming out of their prime. You didn't really make any revelations.

Again, our skill on the backend is non-existent. By design we have to take the gamble.

Get over it.


**quoted wrong guy.

To anyone else: By design we had to take the gamble. Take in what that sentence means. By design. You can't win without skill on the backend and we have literally none of this after Rielly: primary assists, point shot set ups, high danger shot assists, controlled entries, exits with possession, exit attempts, PP QB and there's more but you get the point.