Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[kevsh]

What in treliving's past gives the remote idea that he would put us over the edge?

Considering Shanahan had very little time to find a replacement for Dubas, Tre apparently was the best of what was available, was willing to sign in Toronto and accept that the Big Four are untouchable (the last one is speculation of course).

 

[fancy lad]

Considering Shanahan had very little time to find a replacement for Dubas, Tre apparently was the best of what was available, was willing to sign in Toronto and accept that the Big Four are untouchable (the last one is speculation of course).

I don't doubt that, but here's a better alternative:
Appoint someone from within to be the INTERIM GM. then when the guy that you really want becomes available or what have you, you make the right hire.

 

[kevsh]

Appoint someone from within to be the INTERIM GM. then when the guy that you really want becomes available or what have you, you make the right hire.

The only problem was that the new GM had two massive extensions to deal with almost immediately, a draft just weeks away + free agency.

I think Shanahan felt he needed someone with experience who could jump right in without worrying that he wasn't ready, etc. We can debate if Treliving was the right choice, but I at least understand why Shanahan went immediately with a permanent hire under the circumstances.

 

[Menzinger]

The only problem was that the new GM had two massive extensions to deal with almost immediately, a draft just weeks away + free agency.

I think Shanahan felt he needed someone with experience who could jump right in without worrying that he wasn't ready, etc. We can debate if Treliving was the right choice, but I at least understand why Shanahan went immediately with a permanent hire under the circumstances.

The biggest lesson learned here is that Shanahan and the MLSE board should have made a final decision on Dubas' the previous summer. Which would have avoided the lame duck year + early offseason mess of trying to scramble to find a replacement.

 

[Stephen]

The biggest lesson learned here is that Shanahan and the MLSE board should have made a final decision on Dubas' the previous summer. Which would have avoided the lame duck year + early offseason mess of trying to scramble to find a replacement.

I feel like there's no real lesson to be learned re: the lame duck executive...

Toronto's a big buzzy market and Dubas is an ambitious corporate animal resulting in a perfect storm of high stakes boardroom drama/divorce. Putting Dubas in a lame duck season might not mean the same thing as I dunno, Don Waddell. Nobody even knows how many years are left on any GM's contract.

Although this Capfriendly tool is pretty neat, showing the number of dollars committed by a GM, number of contracts signed, trades made (as they have records for):

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

 

[mikeyz]

I can't do that because I just love the twisted forms of logic he tries to come up with to make his boy look smart. It's actually comical in a perverted kind of way. I keep thinking it's either Duby himself or someone who works for him posting. There can be no other reason someone would be such a fanboy of someone who was so mediocre to bad at his job.

Hahaha yeah, I thought this same way for a while too. But then it got too ridiculous for me. Lol.

 

[Jojalu]

This will be my last conversation with you on this topic.

Yes, I thought the Pens would drop off dramatically from the previous season......have you been able to figure out after which off-season event happened that made me feel that way? I will give you a hint........if they didn't announce a certain hiring....I wouldn't have expected the decline.

You hand Dubas the keys.....you better have triple A road side assistance on standby.

I don't really understand this.

Dubas never had a problem building or maintaining a competetive team in the regular season.

Outside of Pit being 1 year older, I wouldn't have thought they would decline.

 

[PromisedLand]

There is a clip of Tre going around online on twitter. In the clip Tre says something along the lines of...

"My belief is that changes happen in the summer to prep for the season, any major change during the season is something I don't believe in as you set parameters for your upcoming season in the summer"

seems like Keefe's firing or any major trade ain't happening until summer.

that said, I actually liked that Keefe benched the high AAV ass on the PPs for their pathetic performance. Also happy that Sammy is BACK!

 

[fancy lad]

There is a clip of Tre going around online on twitter. In the clip Tre says something along the lines of...

"My belief is that changes happen in the summer to prep for the season, any major change during the season is something I don't believe in as you set parameters for your upcoming season in the summer"

seems like Keefe's firing or any major trade ain't happening until summer.

that said, I actually liked that Keefe benched the high AAV ass on the PPs for their pathetic performance. Also happy that Sammy is BACK!

That's the dumbest shit if true.

There's no way an actual professional general manager would operate under that philosophy.

 

[PromisedLand]

That's the dumbest shit if true.

There's no way an actual professional general manager would operate under that philosophy.

Disclaimer: Btw don't agree with the dude's message that tweeted his stuff. Just posting this tweet for Tre's opinion.

I also don't necessarily disagree with Tre's POV here completely btw.... doesn't matter how much some may hate it

 

[darrylsittler27]

I dont think Treveling knows what he is doing. he didnt do a good job in Calgary and not one signing has even performed upto their contract. I could care a less if we trade Bertuzzi or even became sellers at TD. I think our problems are quite deep and without a complete clean up of upper management you are being given a pre excuse for why they will suck in this years playoffs. They lose, they fire Keefe and say "We felt it was time for a change." This reminds of the baghead years. No one thinks this team can win 2 rounds, so whats the point of this season? To figure out we dont have the right coach or players to win. And it only took them how long to figure that out?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Disclaimer: Btw don't agree with the dude's message that tweeted his stuff. Just posting this tweet for Tre's opinion.

I also don't necessarily disagree with Tre's POV here completely btw.... doesn't matter how much some may hate it

A man is walking through the desert with his horse and his dog.

All of a sudden the dog cries out "I can't take it anymore, I need water". The man says "I didn't know dogs could talk". And the horse says "neeeeither did I".

Bad joke, I know, so is this team.

I cannot believe how many people are willing to throw the towel in on the season. It's so bizarre the team comes out and says they aren't competitive and everyone just rolls over and takes it. The complacency in this fan base is mind numbing.

The corporate sponsors and season ticket holders should be furious.

Imagine spending all that money on expensive seats. Sold on this team being a contender. Only to be told they were just kidding about doing everything they could to compete.

It was just a bad joke all along.

 

[Leaf Fans]

A man is walking through the desert with his horse and his dog.

All of a sudden the dog cries out "I can't take it anymore, I need water". The man says "I didn't know dogs could talk". And the horse says "neeeeither did I".

Bad joke, I know, so is this team.

I cannot believe how many people are willing to throw the towel in on the season. It's so bizarre the team comes out and says they aren't competitive and everyone just rolls over and takes it. The complacency in this fan base is mind numbing.

The corporate sponsors and season ticket holders should be furious.

Imagine spending all that money on expensive seats. Sold on this team being a contender. Only to be told they were just kidding about doing everything they could to compete.

It was just a bad joke all along.

When did the team come out and say that they are not competitors?

 

[nuck]

Disclaimer: Btw don't agree with the dude's message that tweeted his stuff. Just posting this tweet for Tre's opinion.

I also don't necessarily disagree with Tre's POV here completely btw.... doesn't matter how much some may hate it

Since everyone worth anything is untradeable he couldn't reinvent the club mid season if he wanted to. If he was really trying to do Zadorov plus Tanev earlier in the season that seems like he will make changes mid stream. Just no moving Mitch or Willie (or Keefe) but I don't think that was ever an option with Shanny anyways. TDL moves fail more often then so maybe what he is really saying is he doesn't believe in waiting until that last minute. We'll see soon enough.

 

[Leaf Fans]

That's the dumbest shit if true.

There's no way an actual professional general manager would operate under that philosophy.

I think most GMs operate under that philosophy. I can't think of any team that would build their teams at the deadline. Most players that move are rentals moved for futures. There might be one or two high profile rentals that get moved, but most teams do build during the summer.

 

[nsleaf]

A man is walking through the desert with his horse and his dog.

All of a sudden the dog cries out "I can't take it anymore, I need water". The man says "I didn't know dogs could talk". And the horse says "neeeeither did I".

Bad joke, I know, so is this team.

I cannot believe how many people are willing to throw the towel in on the season. It's so bizarre the team comes out and says they aren't competitive and everyone just rolls over and takes it. The complacency in this fan base is mind numbing.

The corporate sponsors and season ticket holders should be furious.

Imagine spending all that money on expensive seats. Sold on this team being a contender. Only to be told they were just kidding about doing everything they could to compete.

It was just a bad joke all along.

Another deep thought by TML.

 

[cyris]

The only problem was that the new GM had two massive extensions to deal with almost immediately, a draft just weeks away + free agency.

I think Shanahan felt he needed someone with experience who could jump right in without worrying that he wasn't ready, etc. We can debate if Treliving was the right choice, but I at least understand why Shanahan went immediately with a permanent hire under the circumstances.

Shanny was the one who put himself in that position. He doesn’t get cut any slack for the trouble of a situation he created.
He fired a guy he had just offered a contract extension to.
He could have fired him the previous off season. He could have given Dubas a short extension the previous summer so he wasn’t a lame duck and he could have kept him while he looked for a new guy. He could have fired him the day the season ended and gave himself more time, even if it was just a couple days. He could have gone with an interim GM, he could have made himself the interim GM.

He had other options. He picked a GM who had failed horribly in his previous job and who is currently failing at this one. He created the problems stop creating excuses about how he had to deal with said problems.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Well, 1 great thing Brad did, he decided not to trade 1st round pick for Carter Hàrt!

That might turn out to be a good call

 

[fancy lad]

I think most GMs operate under that philosophy. I can't think of any team that would build their teams at the deadline. Most players that move are rentals moved for futures. There might be one or two high profile rentals that get moved, but most teams do build during the summer.

Uhhh coaching changes mid Season?

big trades?

a lot of times that works out for teams.

but just to say, nah I don’t believe in significant moves during the season is basically not doing your job.

 

[GoonieFace]

Uhhh coaching changes mid Season?

big trades?

a lot of times that works out for teams.

but just to say, nah I don’t believe in significant moves during the season is basically not doing your job.

It’s not really far fetched. Most big trades take place in the off-season for cap reasons. The deadline are mostly teams selling off UFA’s, so not moves that impact the team long term. It’s just the nature of the business with a hard cap

 

[LeafEgo]

Can't make heads or tails of Tre just yet but I'm cautiously optimistic to date. He seems to understand the position the team was in and willing to methodically transform us from losers to winners, retool over what's likely a two year timeline, and salvage what's left of the Matthews era post 11M JT. In the meantime, an honest attempt at simultaneosuly keeping us in the fight. Perfect.

He cut the obvious fluff players and with an eye on playoff hockey, replaced them wooing most of the sought after players in free agency, but only to one year deals. At the bottom, he nabbed Jones, Benny, and Lags to protect the bottom falling out on minimum contracts. If you were suprised by Sammy's collapse, he may not have been.

It appears he's applying tactical patience to acquisitions, respecting assets, and working towards building an honest contender which will take time done right - particular focus on the D corps despite not making a move yet.

The regular season advanced stats crew are not going to like the ride. Hopefully, as confused as they were about us not winning previously, they will be confused about us winning in the future.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Oh shucks. I wish he spent like a pissed up sailor back on shore every deadline. Who didn't like a 30% roster turnover? I hate the fact the GM acts like an adult.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Uhhh coaching changes mid Season?

big trades?

a lot of times that works out for teams.

but just to say, nah I don’t believe in significant moves during the season is basically not doing your job.

Sure. Treliving can do that and he has. No one has said "nah I don’t believe in significant moves during the season..." Treliving stated a preference for building a team during the summer.

 

[hotpaws]

Disclaimer: Btw don't agree with the dude's message that tweeted his stuff. Just posting this tweet for Tre's opinion.

I also don't necessarily disagree with Tre's POV here completely btw.... doesn't matter how much some may hate it

I'm wondering what this guy thinks Dubas left Tre to trade , we don't have a 2nd rd pick for the next 3 yrs , we don't have a 1st next year , hell we only have a 3rd in the top 4 rounds for the 2025 draft .

Knies and Cowan have value but do people really want to trade them ? Minten and Nicky Robby are more add on's than main pieces .

I'm guessing Coconut Joe Zito thinks we have an unlimited supply of picks to trade for rentals or maybe he's just to lazy or stupid to pop on to Cap Friendly which lists our picks for the next 3 drafts

 

[rumman]

Im not a Dubas guy, but you cannot imagine him dropping the ball as hard as Treliving did this summer. I mean wow

I think Tre has been awful thus far, but being dropped into this mess with essentially no time to assess and evaluate the situation isn’t his fault. I strongly believe Dubas set up these NTC’s to expire exactly as his deal expired for leverage knowing full well it would be next to impossible for his replacement to move anyone without more time. Dubas was a rat………