Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[notDatsyuk]

but who will trade an elite #1 C?

Some Leafs fans?

 

[IPS]

Let's be clear about what happened here. Tonedog brought up the former GM out of nowhere with an inflammatory post. Multiple people started attacking Dubas, as usual.

"Attacking" lmao. They make some playful jabs at Dubas that none of the other former Dubas supporters seem to care about.. You really need some thicker skin cause anytime anyone makes any comment that can be interpreted as "attacking" Dubas you feel the need to jump in and post multiple paragraphs defending his honor.

 

[notbias]

Mathews/Marner/Nylander/Rielly are our best 4 players and carry the team , he inherited all of them .

he wasted 5 yrs blowing assets on short term fills or rentals , the only players on the team he added presently of any significance is Knies and Johnny net front but even then he needs elite wingers to carry him

i have no idea what the obsession people have with endlessly making up fairy tales to praise a failed GM

What picks were wasted on pure rentals? I think 2 1sts were, not sure what else.

The Foligno and ROR trades are all I remember.

Also what assets outside of picks?

I think how many assets we gave up for short-term rentals has been blown up by people not liking him.

Even someone like Gio didn't end up being a rental as he re-signed.

Also, re-signing and not trading players should be noted as something they did.

Virtually every GM inherits a team and they decide who to build around.

Lou didn't do a bunch of hard work to get players like Nylander, Marner, and Matthews... his job was to suck and hope we got good draft picks... I think putting trust in your scouting staff and making informed decisions is a good thing and he should be applauded for who we took to some extent, but Matthews was a result of luck of a lottery, why don't we just attribute him being on the team to the NHL?

It'd be nice to address my post instead of attacking me for once.

 

[thusk]

I don't get how people can hate Dubas when the guy built the majority of what is one of the best teams in the league. He made mistakes like anyone else, but the obsession is strange.

whats was leafs issue when he started? leafs D ... What is leafs issue right now? D and goaltending

leafs had a huge need in D last TDL unstead of paying for ekholm, he gave 2 1st pick , 2X 2nd, 3rd pick for a rental 3rd C, 2 4th player and a 4th D, bring 8 new player in ( did you ever seen a team get playofff succes with as much change at TDL)... why did he dont use it to get a real#2 D. they just had to move out of kerfoot and leafs would be fine

so they paying high price for depht when 1 of the main piece was not there yet... He had to make only 1 move with only 1 new player but whos gonna make everyone around him looking better.

honestly im not sure dubas had been able to evaluate his own team need

 

[notbias]

whats was leafs issue when he started? leafs D ... What is leafs issue right now? D and goaltending

leafs had a huge need in D last TDL unstead of paying for ekholm, he gave 2 1st pick , 2X 2nd, 3rd pick for a rental 3rd C, 2 4th player and a 4th D, bring 8 new player in ( did you ever seen a team get playofff succes with as much change at TDL)... why did he dont use it to get a real#2 D. they just had to move out of kerfoot and leafs would be fine

so they paying high price for depht when 1 of the main piece was not there yet... He had to make only 1 move with only 1 new player but whos gonna make everyone around him looking better.

honestly im not sure dubas had been able to evaluate his own team need

Not sure D is the issue... goaltending certainly is, but Woll also looks good.

Arguably our best D in the last few weeks is making 2 million per year and was brought in by him.

Muzzin was great and an unfortunate loss, it'd be awesome to have him on the team.

Not sure which #2 is available, but that is probably the biggest need, everything else on D is fine.

I also have pretty high hopes for a McCabe/Liljegren second pairing, but it'd be nice to push one of them down.

 

[arso40]

What picks were wasted on pure rentals? I think 2 1sts were, not sure what else.

The Foligno and ROR trades are all I remember.

Also what assets outside of picks?

I think how many assets we gave up for short-term rentals has been blown up by people not liking him.

Even someone like Gio didn't end up being a rental as he re-signed.

Also, re-signing and not trading players should be noted as something they did.

Virtually every GM inherits a team and they decide who to build around.

Lou didn't do a bunch of hard work to get players like Nylander, Marner, and Matthews... his job was to suck and hope we got good draft picks... I think putting trust in your scouting staff and making informed decisions is a good thing and he should be applauded for who we took to some extent, but Matthews was a result of luck of a lottery, why don't we just attribute him being on the team to the NHL?

Muzzin was a first marleau was a first to get rid of contract

 

[notbias]

Muzzin was a first marleau was a first to get rid of contract

Neither is a rental.

 

[thusk]

Not sure D is the issue... goaltending certainly is, but Woll also looks good.

Arguably our best D in the last few weeks is making 2 million per year and was brought in by him.

Muzzin was great and an unfortunate loss, it'd be awesome to have him on the team.

Not sure which #2 is available, but that is probably the biggest need, everything else on D is fine.

I also have pretty high hopes for a McCabe/Liljegren second pairing, but it'd be nice to push one of them down.

#2 need is huge as need, the result of it its everybody was playing in wrong chair. start to put everybody on the good chair, every body will look better

hanifin, Pesce, skjei could be target at TDl/summer and forsling next summer

maybe like fowler/sanheim/ faulk could become available

 

[notbias]

#2 need is huge as need, the result of it its everybody was playing in wrong chair. start to put everybody on the good chair, every body will look better

hanifin, Pesce, skjei could be target at TDl/summer and forsling next summer

maybe like fowler/sanheim/ faulk could become available

Are any of those guys #2s?

 

[hotpaws]

What picks were wasted on pure rentals? I think 2 1sts were, not sure what else.

The Foligno and ROR trades are all I remember.

Also what assets outside of picks?

I think how many assets we gave up for short-term rentals has been blown up by people not liking him.

Even someone like Gio didn't end up being a rental as he re-signed.

Also, re-signing and not trading players should be noted as something they did.

Virtually every GM inherits a team and they decide who to build around.

Lou didn't do a bunch of hard work to get players like Nylander, Marner, and Matthews... his job was to suck and hope we got good draft picks... I think putting trust in your scouting staff and making informed decisions is a good thing and he should be applauded for who we took to some extent, but Matthews was a result of luck of a lottery, why don't we just attribute him being on the team to the NHL?

It'd be nice to address my post instead of attacking me for once.

yea just 2 firsts lol , he then moved another 1st because he got bullied by Marleau's agent , then another 1st in a trade for a 3rd pairing D , then another 1st for a short term fix in Muzzin , then another first to get rid of his mistake in Mzarek

traded Grundstrom and Moore plus a bunch of 2nds and lower picks on top of the firsts with almost nothing left to show for it

yup Lou and the others who were GM don't get credit for the elite kids since we need to give it to Dubas for not trading them because if we didn't do that we'd be faced with the reality of what an utter disaster his tenure here was

also i'm not taking shots at you , i just want you to be happy and you haven't been since Dubas was kicked to the curb like the piece of garbage he is

 

[notbias]

yea just 2 firsts lol , he then moved another 1st because he got bullied by Marleau's agent , then another 1st in a trade for a 3rd pairing D , then another 1st for a short term fix in Muzzin , then another first to get rid of his mistake in Mzarek

traded Grundstrom and Moore plus a bunch of 2nds and lower picks on top of the firsts with almost nothing left to show for it

yup Lou and the others who were GM don't get credit for the elite kids since we need to give it to Dubas for not trading them because if we didn't do that we'd be faced with the reality of what an utter disaster his tenure here was

also i'm not taking shots at you , i just want you to be happy and you haven't been since Dubas was kicked to the curb like the piece of garbage he is

Muzzin = short term? 6 years is short term?

Are you not watching games? Not sure I'd be calling McCabe a 3rd pairing D... regardless, he is great value and 3 years at 2 million is amazing.

Marleau trade, sure, in hindsight, we should have held onto a 6.25 million dollar hit for a 4th liner. But people forget the context when talking about this trade. The options were to hold him and have a less capable team that year, trade him to SJ, or trade him to a team willing to buy him out. This isn't like the Monahan trade that also cost a 1st.

Lou can take credit for tanking the team, but he continued it after he was supposed to stop.

I am happy because my life doesn't revolve around hockey or the Leafs. I am sure if it did I'd be as miserable as a large portion of this board.

 

[therealkoho]

Brad would be smart to get in touch with DD, who's been quite active on the Leafs media circuit in the past 10 days or so! He has of course been coming up with many upon many brilliant trades that the Leafs need, nay I say, have to make, if they're to find any happy endings in this 23/24 NHL season. Dreger has never been wrong in the past and there isn't any benefit for him to be wrong now.

 

[thusk]

Are any of those guys #2s?

yes they are, player who can play over 20 min at 5v5 minute with great hockey by helping you on 200 feet of the ice, playing on pk or PP and every kind of situation you wany... Yeah thats exactly what a #2 dman looking like

 

[Leaf Fans]

That's actually precisely what it was. It all changed when the biggest paycheck he could potentially get wasn't going to be in Toronto. It's the corporate business world - is this some shocking revelation to you that these people will be dishonest and hypocritical when it serves them? Like I swear to god you still believe Santa Clause is real with the way you're talking here.

But we can end it here - I'm not gonna try and convince you that Dubas the Politician could dare be a dishonest man.

Santa Clause is real. I am him at my house anyway. I have stowed gifts away in the closet, in the garage and in the master bedroom. In the early morning of the 25th ( more hopefully late 24th) I will deliver them.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Are any of those guys #2s?

If they're on other teams, yes. If they're on our team, 3rd pairing defenseman if they're lucky.

 

[notbias]

yes they are, player who can play over 20 min at 5v5 minute with great hockey by helping you on 200 feet of the ice, playing on pk or PP and every kind of situation you wany... Yeah thats exactly what a #2 dman looking like

So McCabe, Rielly, and Brodie are all top 2D... I'd say a 4th is a luxury.

 

[thusk]

So McCabe, Rielly, and Brodie are all top 2D... I'd say a 4th is a luxury.

mccabe/brodie are good defensivly but bring absolutly nothing in the offensive side.. for me they are great complement to complete a top 4 they are good #3/4.they are too unidimentionnal to be a #2

personally would like to see something like
rielly-Mccabe
Hanifin/Skjei-Brodie
gio-liljegren

 

[rumman]

mccabe/brodie are good defensivly but bring absolutly nothing in the offensive side.. for me they are great complement to complete a top 4 they are good #3/4.they are too unidimentionnal to be a #2

personally would like to see something like
rielly-Mccabe
Hanifin/Skjei-Brodie
gio-liljegren

McCabe’s had a couple of good games of late, Brodie looks lost out there. Both are playing higher in the line up then they should be……….

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

mccabe/brodie are good defensivly but bring absolutly nothing in the offensive side.. for me they are great complement to complete a top 4 they are good #3/4.they are too unidimentionnal to be a #2

personally would like to see something like
rielly-Mccabe
Hanifin/Skjei-Brodie
gio-liljegren

McCabe is so-so. Exciting hit once every couple games isn't going to have that big effect overall. Overall, he has been bad. Weak tying sticks, bodied off puck, letting guys escape on the boards.

If you look at Benoit he's so boring but effective. If the puck is on the board with a player he will freeze the player on the board and kill the play. Besides need skill, freezing players on the boards is something else the D lack. Benoit is right in his depth chart place too so no risk of him failing by trying to get even more from him. McCabe needs a drop in depth chart too by bring in someone better than him and then he will probably be better.

 

[Shooter2x]

McCabe is so-so. Exciting hit once every couple games isn't going to have that big effect overall. Overall, he has been bad. Weak tying sticks, bodied off puck, letting guys escape on the boards.

If you look at Benoit he's so boring but effective. If the puck is on the board with a player he will freeze the player on the board and kill the play. Besides need skill, freezing players on the boards is something else the D lack. Benoit is right in his depth chart place too so no risk of him failing by trying to get even more from him. McCabe needs a drop in depth chart too by bring in someone better than him and then he will probably be better.

Yup. Rielly is back to god mode. So he's going to find himself in difficult circumstances moving forward. McCabe will get eaten alive if he tries to tag along on top pairing. He's simply not good enough and the day of him being good enough is never coming.

 

[thusk]

McCabe is so-so. Exciting hit once every couple games isn't going to have that big effect overall. Overall, he has been bad. Weak tying sticks, bodied off puck, letting guys escape on the boards.

If you look at Benoit he's so boring but effective. If the puck is on the board with a player he will freeze the player on the board and kill the play. Besides need skill, freezing players on the boards is something else the D lack. Benoit is right in his depth chart place too so no risk of him failing by trying to get even more from him. McCabe needs a drop in depth chart too by bring in someone better than him and then he will probably be better.

thats what happenning when youre playing in the wrong chair

add an #2 brodie will fall in the right chair
mccabe will fall in the right chair
liljegren will fall in tje right chair

and overal everybody will look better because leafs will stop to ask too much from their own player.

Yup. Rielly is back to god mode. So he's going to find himself in difficult circumstances moving forward. McCabe will get eaten alive if he tries to tag along on top pairing. He's simply not good enough and the day of him being good enough is never coming.

rielly played with lyubushkin and schenn last 2 season and no one of those player even close of top 4 D. Rielly dont need a babysitter

mccabe>>> of those 2 player and maybe playing with rielly will only help McCabe to simplify his game because he will not have to do as much anymore...

 

[notbias]

your hero could have intended Muzzin to be a long term solution but players like Muzzin don't age well , his spreadsheet should have told him that

Muzzin is 34, not 38.

It appears they age better than Klingberg who was just signed by your savior.

There are plenty of D who age well and play that style.

Pretending that people can predict injuries is dumb.

Also... Reaves was signed at 36 and plays a worse style.

edit: Gio is another example of a D playing a hard style aging well, he won his Norris at 35 (older than Muzzin currently is)

 

[hotpaws]

Muzzin is 34, not 38.

It appears they age better than Klingberg who was just signed by your savior.

There are plenty of D who age well and play that style.

Pretending that people can predict injuries is dumb.

Also... Reaves was signed at 36 and plays a worse style.

most D like Muzzin start slowing/breaking down by around 30

and i'll say it again , stop torturing yourself and go join Dubas in Pitt , he'll need all the fans he can get since it''ll be a ghost town on that forum as well as at there arena if they continue to bump along at roughly .500

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

This is a more mature group. We have seen it in the way that they handle themselves after games where they have looked less than perfect. You can't give weight to underlying numbers after a 25 game sample size. Those stats will even themselves out over time as more games are played.

“You can’t give weight to numbers”
*gives weight to perceived maturity*

Just messing w you I like a lot of your posts

 

[notbias]

most D like Muzzin start slowing/breaking down by around 30

and i'll say it again , stop torturing yourself and go join Dubas in Pitt , he'll need all the fans he can get since it''ll be a ghost town on that forum as well ad there arena if they continue to bump along at roughly .500

I haven't watched a single Pitts game, just because you keep calling me a Dubas fan doesn't make me one.

around 30 those D break down?

Did Muzzin do anything particularly bad so I can filter D to see the long list of D that break down at 30 because they hit people?