Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[meefer]

So what would you have done let the franchise center go?

If you’re referring to AM, I would have moved him before signing that contract.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I mean no shit, the core isn’t 22 anymore, we don’t have much time to for Brad to figure it out before it’s time for another rebuild. Also Dubas wasn’t coming in off one of some of the worst offseasons in a long time like Trev was with Calgary, he already used up his benefit of the doubt.

You had 5 years of patience with Kyle. Can't you give Brad a bit more than 6 months?

 

[Gabriel426]

I could see that being gamed so hard. Having a nightmare of super teams and load management. Why they don’t just do a soft cap and luxury tax is beyond me.

I think a major reason why there is no soft cap and luxury tax is bc more than half the teams in the league are in the red or just barely breaking even.

 

[Stephen]

I think a major reason why there is no soft cap and luxury tax is bc more than half the teams in the league are in the red or just barely breaking even.

The luxury tax would put money into their pockets as extra revenue sharing.

Most pro leagues are built on marquee franchises increasing the size of the revenue pie. Not making sure Manchester City and Bolton Wanderers are on even footing.

 

[Martin Skoula]

You had 5 years of patience with Kyle. Can't you give Brad a bit more than 6 months?

One guy was brought in to build a program for a perennial contender, was clear by the Covid seasons that wasn’t going to happen and I lost patience once we got away from the speed and skill down the lineup promise to chase after Folignos to make the talking heads happy about our physicality and leadership.

Trev was brought in to be Burke in Anaheim, the perennial contender dream is dead but maybe he can make some decisive shakeup moves to squeeze at least a few good runs out of this group. The expectations and timeline are different and so far he’s batting close to 0.

I get he was brought in on the condition that he’s not allowed to rock the boat at all and that comes from upstairs but it doesn’t mean the guy gets a free pass to avoid criticism.

 

[Apex Predator]

One guy was brought in to build a program for a perennial contender, was clear by the Covid seasons that wasn’t going to happen and I lost patience once we got away from the speed and skill down the lineup promise to chase after Folignos to make the talking heads happy about our physicality and leadership.

Trev was brought in to be Burke in Anaheim, the perennial contender dream is dead but maybe he can make some decisive shakeup moves to squeeze at least a few good runs out of this group. The expectations and timeline are different and so far he’s batting close to 0.

I get he was brought in on the condition that he’s not allowed to rock the boat at all and that comes from upstairs but it doesn’t mean the guy gets a free pass to avoid criticism.

The biggest issue is the people that defended the kadri trade, Murray trade, mrazek signing etc are now the same people that are criticizing Triliving for essentially the same things previous GM’s have done. It doesn’t make sense. The whole board is so divided it makes talking leafs so painful.

 

[m1ker]

Generally when a teams starter goalie goes down it opens up cap room. In this case with Woll making near minimum, we are screwed lol.

 

[William Johnson]

I thought Treliving sounded convincing in his interview on Overdrive the other day. More articulate and authentic to my ears than the previous GM. This of course means very little but as I've said before I think I'll give him at least until I see how they perform in at least one postseason before I judge him too much. If they make it!

I think he seems smart and honest but think he missed this chance to break the core up this summer by letting Marner's NMC kick in. His off-season signings mean very little to me in the short term as I'm focused on playoff results.

 

[All Mod Cons]

The biggest issue is the people that defended the kadri trade, Murray trade, mrazek signing etc are now the same people that are criticizing Triliving for essentially the same things previous GM’s have done. It doesn’t make sense. The whole board is so divided it makes talking leafs so painful.

Agreed. It's a fanbase divided and will take a while before most come back together. The ones that wanted to run it back year after year under Dubas, have wanted Treliving to complete two dozen transactions and resignings in the 6 months he's been in charge.

 

[hotpaws]

If you’re referring to AM, I would have moved him before signing that contract.

so you had no problem grossly overpaying Tavares and making him the highest paid player at that time but have an issue with AM's contract ?

 

[meefer]

The coach is the real question. I could have gone into the season with the only change being Keefe out and I would feel better about them than at this moment. Getting outshot by scrub teams and getting goalie wins isn't an achievement for the coach. Inability to put teams away in regulation is a real concern. Other teams are picking up on his strategies and anticipating what the Leafs are going to be doing pretty well every night. Teams are doing a lot better than this with weaker lineups. It shouldn't take an extended losing streak for this to be apparent, its the Xs and Os that are costing games, more than the individuals.

As to the Matthews deal I like it. From the standpoint of the club having no leverage its a win to me. The number is affordable and in two years the AAV will not be eye opening. He has the MVP on his resume and he is young enough that you are going to be paying for that achievement every year.

Your comment about the coach is valid, and I should have considered it. While I'm not a huge fan of Keefe, I take the position that the results we've seen are more about the players than the coach.

 

[meefer]

so you had no problem grossly overpaying Tavares and making him the highest paid player at that time but have an issue with AM's contract ?

From my earlier post, "He (Dubas) did screw up with Willy, I'd have liked to see a more experienced approach. Willy would have set the tone for the next two. Here's your deal, it's fair, accept it or sit. Matthews at 10, Marner at 9 and Willy at 6.25 and we've another 4.25M for free agents every year of those RFA contracts, regardless of Covid."

In short, Matthews was overpaid/under-termed with his RFA deal which has bled into the one just signed.

Tavares, again I'll quote myself, "I had no problem with signing JT at 11. A free agent is going to get paid. It wasn't his (Dubas) fault the Wuhan Flu made John's cap hit a constant % of the Leaf's cap space.

 

[hotpaws]

From my earlier post, "He (Dubas) did screw up with Willy, I'd have liked to see a more experienced approach. Willy would have set the tone for the next two. Here's your deal, it's fair, accept it or sit. Matthews at 10, Marner at 9 and Willy at 6.25 and we've another 4.25M for free agents every year of those RFA contracts, regardless of Covid."

In short, Matthews was overpaid/under-termed with his RFA deal which has bled into the one just signed.

Tavares, again I'll quote myself, "I had no problem with signing JT at 11. A free agent is going to get paid. It wasn't his (Dubas) fault the Wuhan Flu made John's cap hit a constant % of the Leaf's cap space.

you could also say if it wasn't for covid the 3 rfa's cap % would be lower as well

Dubas set himself up for failure with the 3 rfa's by expecting he could overpay JT , try to sell it as a discount and then going on a ''me vs we'' media tour to try to get the 3 kids to take discounts .

The biggest issue i have with the JT signing other than he was never anywhere near as good as the hype around him was if your going to overpay for a ufa the it better be to fill a need and a 11m 2nd line C was even at the bottom of our list of needs

 

[meefer]

you could also say if it wasn't for covid the 3 rfa's cap % would be lower as well

Dubas set himself up for failure with the 3 rfa's by expecting he could overpay JT , try to sell it as a discount and then going on a ''me vs we'' media tour to try to get the 3 kids to take discounts .

The biggest issue i have with the JT signing other than he was never anywhere near as good as the hype around him was if your going to overpay for a ufa the it better be to fill a need and a 11m 2nd line C was even at the bottom of our list of needs

Yes, and as I said the others were overpaid, Dubas's fault. I think where we disagree is simply the Tavares contract. You believing it was, a) an overpay for the player you see (not trying to put words in your mouth, just my take) where I see the contract as acceptable at the time which was then affected by the stagnant cap, and b) that JT's contract influenced the demands of the of 3 RFA deals that followed, to the team's detriment. I agree with 'b', Dubas overpaid them all and it has hurt since. You don't overpay on a RFA deal because you (management) hold the hammer. Sign or sit. Offer a fair deal, maybe put a sweetener in it, but don't go batshyte crazy.

 

[sxvnert]

Ontario native Bortuzzo would have been a nice add for a 7th.
Trades are hard though.

 

[hullsy47]

You had 5 years of patience with Kyle. Can't you give Brad a bit more than 6 months?

treliving did get get burned in calgary .his drafting was suspect ,but if he is as smart as they say he is he"ll learn from past mistakes .the tkachuk trade wasnt terrible the contract awarded after was a problem
the nylander situation is being complicated ny nylander only .if hed accept 9.5 it would be done
anything more than that and its another chance of a treliving mess up for a guy walking for free

 

[Al14]

Another D trade NOT involving our Leafs.

Is Treliving sitting on his hands or what?

I know, I know, it's better to sit on your hands than make a BAD trade, but come on, we need at least one D NOW. We needed a better D added to our Leafs BEFORE all of the injuries !!!

Yes, we need the RIGHT trade, not one that is another mistake, so eat some more of Daddy's pizza and take your time.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Ontario native Bortuzzo would have been a nice add for a 7th.
Trades are hard though.

The way Lagesson and Benoit have played and with Timmins here there is no need for a #7 man, our weakness is a #2-3 have plenty of 4-7

 

[hotpaws]

The way Lagesson and Benoit have played and with Timmins here there is no need for a #7 man, our weakness is a #2-3 have plenty of 4-7

your exactly right , we're tits deep in 4-7 D , hell outside of Rielly that's all we have and more like Mo and and a bunch of 5-7 D . Tre needs to wait until he can find a 2-3 , hopefully one becomes available .

 

[Mess]

Then you're taking their point a little bit too literally. It's really not hard to figure out that they don't care if the team finishes 8th or 1st, as long as they have more playoff success.

Agreed

"Real World People" in terms of Leaf Fans are focused on the "Real hockey season", which are the playoffs, and where the "Real results" is when it matters most.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Gregor is way too fast to be stuck with kampf and "x" on 4th line. Need to find some faster 4th liners to compliment this nice signing. Nice sneak play for 10 depth goals a year

I have to agree now that we should have went with Lafferty for the 4th line but I'm not gonna cry over lawn chair players. It's impossible to have 100% accuracy at that level and if you guess wrong its easy to fix because these players are always affordable.

 

[sxvnert]

The way Lagesson and Benoit have played and with Timmins here there is no need for a #7 man, our weakness is a #2-3 have plenty of 4-7

Tre has already bitched about not having any assets. Surprisingly he has more excuses than dubas.

 

[Apex Predator]

Tre has already bitched about not having any assets. Surprisingly he has more excuses than dubas.

You keep telling yourself that

 

[GoonieFace]

Ontario native Bortuzzo would have been a nice add for a 7th.
Trades are hard though.

Yeah who doesn’t want a 34 year old healthy scratch dman

 

[Shooter2x]

Thank you for Benoit and Gregor.

Both 25 years old. Lock them up to cap friendly depth deals throughout their prime asap.