Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[notbias]

Trading assets for a better chance to win is a very vague statement. Yes, trading assets for rentals (which is what we're talking about) is reasonable if the rentals might put a contender over the top. We weren't really a contender at all, so those trades were nothing more than a desperate attempt to fix a mess.

Sure, trade picks for prospects, or prospects for picks. But don't trade either for a quick fix that won't work.

How much has the cap gone up and will go up during JT's contract? Add that to the 4 and see what you get.

I am curious how much we've traded for pure rentals... players that were there for only a playoff run and no longer.

ROR and Foligno are the only ones I can think of that had a high price tag, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

You say we weren't a contender, virtually everyone else says the opposite.

Was Washington a contender before they won? Was Florida considered a contender last year? A team that is constantly at the top of the standings is a contender to me. Any team getting into the playoffs can contend though.

Are you banking on a cap raise... it sounds very Dubas-like to me.

 

[thusk]

Domi is a skill player and play maker. He is not going to always skate through people and score. As a coach, you have to know how to use him. You need to put him with someone who can finish. He is a great passer. Luke Richards understood how to use him and he thrived. I was actually thinking he would sign with Chicago. You also can expect him to do well with 10 minutes a game with rotating teammates.

Two things that are negatives he is very spotty, great one night and invisible for three. He also looses his cool and does stupid stuff. The stupid stuff has really hurt his career and playing time.

and im totally agree with most of it.

Domi higher intensity will be, better he will be. i Saw him play a lot in his great season in Mtl and its what exactly that... yes he took a lot of bad penalties because he was playing with too much intensity. i would compare him to a bulldog.

watch the game Domi had been at his best this season. Boston, Chicago, Vancouver, tampa. game where intensity was pretty high. Leafs need to accept he would maybe make some stupid stuff like he did vs bennett but its how you will bring the best of him.

In the playoffs, your third line centre can't be a defensively unreliable, small guy. I am positive that Treliving is well aware of this and will acquire a more appropriate playoff centre by the deadline. Domi will get moved back to the wing.

when your 4th center is maybe the best bottom 6 defensive centre of NHL? yes you can.

when leafs will have a lead, kampf ice time will raise pretty hard and when leafs will need a goal, they will use Domi much more

 

[thusk]

Very selective stats, without mentioning that he did it in almost 2x the games.

33-25 =8 game...

we dont had the same definition of 2X

but if your prefer
primary pts/60 minute played
domi .39
marner 2.12
matthews 1.56
nylander 0.69

 

[Nylanderthal]

and Dubas spent 9m more as well as trading a 1st and a 2nd on a slight upgrade so it could be worse

He also got out from some less than desirable deals to bring EK in, a D man who hit 100pts on an AHL level team last year. Expecting him to be a 70pt guy with the talent in Pitt isn’t outlandish.

What does EK have anything to do with the butcher job Brads done so far here?

and im totally agree with most of it.

Domi higher intensity will be, better he will be. i Saw him play a lot in his great season in Mtl and its what exactly that... yes he took a lot of bad penalties because he was playing with too much intensity. i would compare him to a bulldog.

watch the game Domi had been at his best this season. Boston, Chicago, Vancouver, tampa. game where intensity was pretty high. Leafs need to accept he would maybe make some stupid stuff like he did vs bennett but its how you will bring the best of him.


when your 4th center is maybe the best bottom 6 defensive centre of NHL? yes you can.

when leafs will have a lead, kampf ice time will raise pretty hard and when leafs will need a goal, they will use Domi much more

Kampf has been awful this year and is nowhere even close to “the best defensive bottom 6 C" in the league. Just like how Gibson sucks

 

[thusk]

He also got out from some less than desirable deals to bring EK in, a D man who hit 100pts on an AHL level team last year. Expecting him to be a 70pt guy with the talent in Pitt isn’t outlandish.

What does EK have anything to do with the butcher job Brads done so far here?


Kampf has been awful this year and is nowhere even close to “the best defensive bottom 6 C" in the league. Just like how Gibson sucks

he need to learn to play with 2 player he never played with before

since Kampf signed in toronto. nobody took more defensive faceoff than kampf. 59 %of his total faceoff came from defensive zone vs 6% of offensive faceoff. only sissons played more penalty kill time. Kampf playing a lot of hard defensive minute and most of it o 1st half was with Reaves who was struggling really hard. really not a easy situation where probably over 95% of look easily worst

 

[Nylanderthal]

he need to learn to play with 2 player he never played with before

since Kampf signed in toronto. nobody took more defensive faceoff than kampf. 59 %of his total faceoff came from defensive zone vs 6% of offensive faceoff. only sissons played more penalty kill time. Kampf playing a lot of hard defensive minute and most of it o 1st half was with Reaves who was struggling really hard. really not a easy situation where probably over 95% of look easily worst

I will give you that being tied to the boat anchor that is Reaves would make anyones job more difficult. I recognize he’s been heavily utilized in those defensive roles, doesn’t mean I think he’s the best at them. Hes just simply the only forward Keefe trusts in those situations

 

[Bomber0104]

He also got out from some less than desirable deals to bring EK in, a D man who hit 100pts on an AHL level team last year. Expecting him to be a 70pt guy with the talent in Pitt isn’t outlandish.

What does EK have anything to do with the butcher job Brads done so far here?




Kampf has been awful this year and is nowhere even close to “the best defensive bottom 6 C" in the league. Just like how Gibson sucks

Imagine being so thin-skinned about Dubas criticism that you have to dig up and attack a post from two weeks ago, while simultaneously attacking your own team’s GM.

Last time I checked the Leafs are doing better than last year’s record, and the Penguins are far worse than theirs thanks to Dubas’ butcher job.

Ouch!

 

[thusk]

I will give you that being tied to the boat anchor that is Reaves would make anyones job more difficult. I recognize he’s been heavily utilized in those defensive roles, doesn’t mean I think he’s the best at them. Hes just simply the only forward Keefe trusts in those situations

just the fact he always playing in hardest situation and be able to look good, its great

Matthews+ Tavares together had less defensive faceoff than kampf alone. Because Kampf did a great work drfensivly, its the reason why leafs didn't need to start as much matthews or jt line in their defensive zone

i think we should recognize job kampf did and still doing for leafs

 

[notbias]

he need to learn to play with 2 player he never played with before

since Kampf signed in toronto. nobody took more defensive faceoff than kampf. 59 %of his total faceoff came from defensive zone vs 6% of offensive faceoff. only sissons played more penalty kill time. Kampf playing a lot of hard defensive minute and most of it o 1st half was with Reaves who was struggling really hard. really not a easy situation where probably over 95% of look easily worst

So the GM signed Kampf to an overpayment because he is good defensively, and then signed the worst player in the league to put beside him... So Kampf's struggles are a result of the GM you are saying I guess.

just the fact he always playing in hardest situation and be able to look good, its great

He hasn't looked good though...

Imagine being so thin-skinned about Dubas criticism that you have to dig up and attack a post from two weeks ago, while simultaneously attacking your own team’s GM.

Last time I checked the Leafs are doing better than last year’s record, and the Penguins are far worse than theirs thanks to Dubas’ butcher job.

Ouch!

Toronto has 5 wins in regulation... I'd pump the breaks on doing better.

We've won a bunch of skills competitions.

I am happy we will make the playoffs, but the team looks like trash.

Also, since when does the regular season matter?

 

[Tairy Greene]

Imagine being so thin-skinned about Dubas criticism that you have to dig up and attack a post from two weeks ago, while simultaneously attacking your own team’s GM.

Last time I checked the Leafs are doing better than last year’s record, and the Penguins are far worse than theirs thanks to Dubas’ butcher job.

Ouch!

The Leafs are not doing better than last years record, they have one less point after 22 games.

 

[LeafGrief]

Ristolainen eh? We really are travelling at breakneck speed, heading nowhere.

It was the prophet Babcock who said, "pain is coming". We need a retool of our entire blueline, but instead we're going to get bandaids and kisses.

 

[thusk]

So the GM signed Kampf to an overpayment because he is good defensively, and then signed the worst player in the league to put beside him... So Kampf's struggles are a result of the GM you are saying I guess.

i just dont think reaves gave the result treliving was hoping for

He hasn't looked good though...

kampf by playing pratically only on defensive situation had same amount of primary point at 5v5 than Scott Laughton a guy we heard a lot by the past for the leafs... considerating 1 easy playing a lot of offensive situstion without having the same defensive impact and the 2nd one pratically never played any of those offensive situation.

im not sure we really have the same definition of being good/ or not

 

[IPS]

Toronto has 5 wins in regulation... I'd pump the breaks on doing better.

We've won a bunch of skills competitions.

I am happy we will make the playoffs, but the team looks like trash.

Also, since when does the regular season matter?

It's about the same garbage uninspired hockey as last year yeah. Almost identical, just with more injuries on D.

Is this supposed to the the stage where you bring out all these obscure numbers to try and tell us how much better we allegedly were last year? Because I'd just interpret it as even more proof of just how garbage those advanced stats are, team literally looks the same.

 

[notbias]

i just dont think reaves gave the result treliving was hoping for

He gave the expected results which is the issue.

kampf by playing pratically only on defensive situation had same amount of primary point at 5v5 than Scott Laughton a guy we heard a lot by the past for the leafs... considerating 1 easy playing a lot of offensive situstion without having the same defensive impact and the 2nd one pratically never played any of those situation.

im not sure we really have the same definition of being good/ or not

He is getting scored on a lot and his line is not scoring.

He's looked better, but he's been trash this year.

It's about the same garbage uninspired hockey as last year yeah. Almost identical, just with more injuries on D.

Is this supposed to the the stage where you bring out all these obscure numbers to try and tell us how much better we allegedly were last year? Because I'd just interpret it as even more proof of just how garbage those advanced stats are, team literally looks the same.

I guess results > everything else.

Who cares how they are playing, just that they are winning?

I take back my statement, I am very happy with the team so far.

 

[IPS]

I guess results > everything else.

Who cares how they are playing, just that they are winning?

I take back my statement, I am very happy with the team so far.

Yeah. Welcome to the real world my friend.

 

[notbias]

Yeah. Welcome to the real world my friend.

Do regular season results matter now? Because we have 5 wins and 6 losses that translates to how the playoffs are played.

But the regular season is pointless and this isn't playoff hockey, so shouldn't we be worried about how we are playing over how many shootouts we win?

This is all very confusing to keep up with. Do results matter or not?

 

[All Mod Cons]

So much negativity around these parts, no wonder the team is struggling with the 9th best points% in the league.

Can we please get behind the GM and the team. If we can make excuses up for absolutely everything, the team would perform better imo.

 

[IPS]

Do regular season results matter now? Because we have 5 wins and 6 losses that translates to how the playoffs are played.

But the regular season is pointless and this isn't playoff hockey, so shouldn't we be worried about how we are playing over how many shootouts we win?

This is all very confusing to keep up with. Do results matter or not?

When have they not mattered? There's no playoffs if they didn't. Are you mixing my opinions up with other poster's or something?

So much negativity around these parts, no wonder the team is struggling with the 9th best points% in the league.

Can we please get behind the GM and the team. If we can make excuses up for absolutely everything, the team would perform better imo.

Treliving doesn't have near the PR team on HFBoards that Dubas did. That's for sure.

 

[notbias]

When have they not mattered? There's no playoffs if they didn't. Are you mixing my opinions up with other poster's or something?

I don't even know who you are so no clue what your opinions are... but the overwhelming opinion of "the real world" people here are that they think the regular season is irrelevant and where we finish is not important.

 

[IPS]

I don't even know who you are so no clue what your opinions are... but the overwhelming opinion of "the real world" people here are that they think the regular season is irrelevant and where we finish is not important.

Then you're taking their point a little bit too literally. It's really not hard to figure out that they don't care if the team finishes 8th or 1st, as long as they have more playoff success.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Risto? Really? Dubas truly was the hero we needed but didn't deserve. SMH.

What we traded for Risto

 

[hamzarocks]

Risto? Really? Dubas truly was the hero we needed but didn't deserve. SMH.

That dudes team is ass too

Get better heros

 

[notDatsyuk]

I am curious how much we've traded for pure rentals... players that were there for only a playoff run and no longer.

ROR and Foligno are the only ones I can think of that had a high price tag, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

You say we weren't a contender, virtually everyone else says the opposite.

Was Washington a contender before they won? Was Florida considered a contender last year? A team that is constantly at the top of the standings is a contender to me. Any team getting into the playoffs can contend though.

Are you banking on a cap raise... it sounds very Dubas-like to me.

Did you seriously think we were likely to win the Cup last year, even after adding ROR, Accari, and Schenn? That's a lot of optimism.

Read what I posted - I wasn't banking of a cap increase, but pointing out that it has increased over the last five years.

 

[thusk]

He gave the expected results which is the issue.



He is getting scored on a lot and his line is not scoring.

He's looked better, but he's been trash this year.

the only player who player together in leafs bottom 6 is kampf and jarnkrok. kampf and robertson robertson/jarnkrok. all new player without any chemistry

considersting all injuries on d who put even more pressure on foward defensive side...

its not really surprising than he struggling a little bit more

I guess results > everything else.

Who cares how they are playing, just that they are winning?

I take back my statement, I am very happy with the team so far.

come playoff time, no body care if youre winning 3-2 by being outshoot 80-20 every game or winning 3-2 outshooting 70-10.

florida had been outplayed in every series they played last playoff and was one of team giving the highest number of scoring chance/ high scoring chance by game but who care?

 

[notDatsyuk]

33-25 =8 game...

we dont had the same definition of 2X

but if your prefer
primary pts/60 minute played
domi .39
marner 2.12
matthews 1.56
nylander 0.69

I made the mistake of looking at the same number of years for both, so 33 vs 18.

But still selective. In 33 games Domi had 19 points. Willy in 25 games had 25 points.

I'm not knocking Domi, just your selective stats. And why did you pick Nylander?