Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[notDatsyuk]

He should trade everything for one last Hail mary

Like his predecessor did several times to get us into this mess? No thanks.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Like his predecessor did several times to get us into this mess? No thanks.

How would you fix this

 

[notDatsyuk]

How would you fix this

Short version - don't blow assets on a quick fix, but keep the main pieces together until JT's contract expires and we can start to built properly.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

So hard to believe Shanahan interviewed Treliving in person and was so impressed he gave him a job.

What stunning nuggets of wisdom did Treliving offer up that Shanahan just HAD to hire him? It doesn't look like either of them have much clue what they're doing. Yet they're running a multi-billion dollar business.

This team is becoming a joke.

A joke team with a joke coach. Managed by a joke GM. Presided over by a joke president.

The result of Shanahan surrounding himself with yes men and bootlicks.

Shanahan probably asked Treliving one question. If I give you a job will you give me one? Treliving said yes.

At which point Shanahan hired him.

 

[notbias]

Like his predecessor did several times to get us into this mess? No thanks.

How could he trade everything if it is already traded?

We still have good assets... it was picks vs prospects, and picks were generally the choice to be traded.

Still have 2x 1st in the next 3 years

Then they can trade any of the top-tier prospects Knies, Robertson, Cowan, Minten Niemela, and Grebyonik.

Then there are a bunch of mid-tier prospects they can trade.

We can trade these guys for picks so people can stop whining that we have no assets.

Short version - don't blow assets on a quick fix, but keep the main pieces together until JT's contract expires and we can start to built properly.

In this short version, you know the cap allocation will be roughly the same for Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Tavares, right?

Tavares will take less, everyone else gets more.

Or are you banking on a cap increase? We did that once.

 

[ULF_55]

Short version - don't blow assets on a quick fix, but keep the main pieces together until JT's contract expires and we can start to built properly.

Use all the capital they have for long term assets.

Spending isn't bad if the return is good.

 

[thusk]

I will be honest. I have no faith in this core to win a Cup. My fear/prediction from 2018 or so has come true. I was afraid that this team would be similar to the Oilers of a few years ago, or the Sharks: continued failure come playoffs with plenty of flashy, early draft picks on the roster. Last years playoff roster and evident failure confirmed this opinion..

Therefore, better to buy at the deadline than spend picks as long as they can stay competitive until then to enjoy their annual playoff spot and imminent early exit. This may allow for one better player down the line in case by some miracle certain players sacrifice and play the game the "right way" come playoffs.

Maybe he can find three Tom Wlsons and a couple of Gudases by the deadline to bring a broader attitude adjustment to this team.

when leafs wqs looking at their best under keefe? 2022 and even first 5 game in 2021... when Muzzin was playing. can only 1 player can have as much impact in a team? the answer is yes

i giving you 1 exemple with philadelphia. In 2018-2019, they was 11 th in east with 82 points. they bring in Matt Niskainen. Next season they finished 4rd and wqs one of best NHL, we talked about Hart like the NEXT futur star as goalie. Niskainen retiring, next season pjilly struggling missed the playoff and Carter Hart didn't look like an elite G. Niskanen helped to make provorov, sanheim, hart and biggest part of the team better because he helped to stabilize philly D.

if Toronto want to reach next step, its not by adding oreilly, foligno, orcomplementary/ depht player ( like tanev/ mccabe, schenn, etc...)they will be able to do it... its by finding their own Niskanen.

if toronto would spent everything they spent oreilly/ mccabe for Ekholm last TDL. I think would would be a better team last playoff and would be a better team right now much closer of a stanley cup

 

[SprDaVE]

Should the Leafs be buying at the deadline? | OverDrive

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December 6, 2023

Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan are joined by Toronto Maple Leafs General Manager Brad Treliving to discuss the Shohei Ohtani rumours, how are rules put in place when dealing with a superstar contract, William Nylander contract negotiations, how different is being the GM of the Maple Leafs than the Flames, Sheldon Keefe’s start to the season, John Klingberg’s injury, are they in any rush to make a trade to help their defence and more.

I do think it's funny the first thing he jokes about and the first thing he says is if Ohtani can play the right side on defense, or maybe 3rd line center. Seems like those 2 positions are on his mind... I wonder why.

 

[Evilhomer]

I do think it's funny the first thing he jokes about and the first thing he says is if Ohtani can play the right side on defense, or maybe 3rd line center. Seems like those 2 positions are on his mind... I wonder why.

I am sure he knows that he can't have Domi as his third line centre in the playoffs.

 

[SprDaVE]

I am sure he knows that he can't have Domi as his third line centre in the playoffs.

If only he didn't spend 6.5M on a center and RHD that can't fill those shoes.

 

[Trapper]

Domi is on pace for 4 goals. He's shown flashes but he has been a disappointment. He needs 6 goals to tie Lafferty in goals.

I’ll take 15 goals from a 3C with jam in the regular season if he can score like 10 in the playoffs. Some guys are like that.
People get too hung up on elite this and elite that.
Can you be elite when it matters?
Give me a team of 12 20 goal scorers. The odds of different people scoring in the playoffs increases dramatically.

 

[ToneDog]

I’ll take 15 goals from a 3C with jam in the regular season if he can score like 10 in the playoffs. Some guys are like that.
People get too hung up on elite this and elite that.
Can you be elite when it matters?
Give me a team of 12 20 goal scorers. The odds of different people scoring in the playoffs increases dramatically.

Shutdown 34 and you pretty much shutdown the Leafs in the playoffs. 2 goals in each of the 5 games vs Florida.

 

[Evilhomer]

I’ll take 15 goals from a 3C with jam in the regular season if he can score like 10 in the playoffs. Some guys are like that.

Domi has 6 goals in 43 playoff games. He can't be the third line centre in the playoffs, and I am sure Leafs' management knows that.

 

[notDatsyuk]

How could he trade everything if it is already traded?

We still have good assets... it was picks vs prospects, and picks were generally the choice to be traded.

Still have 2x 1st in the next 3 years

Then they can trade any of the top-tier prospects Knies, Robertson, Cowan, Minten Niemela, and Grebyonik.

Then there are a bunch of mid-tier prospects they can trade.

We can trade these guys for picks so people can stop whining that we have no assets.



In this short version, you know the cap allocation will be roughly the same for Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Tavares, right?

Tavares will take less, everyone else gets more.

Or are you banking on a cap increase? We did that once.

Please tell me how many of the rentals Dubas traded picks and prospects for are still on the team, and how many Cups they helped us win.

You played this "we still have two firsts" card before, and I pointed out how misleading that statement was.

Matty got 2 more, Mitch might get 1 more, and Willy might get 4 more. That's 7, and if we don't re-sign JT that's 4 extra. And in case you hadn't noticed, the cap has gone up since they were all signed several years ago.

 

[notbias]

Please tell me how many of the rentals Dubas traded picks and prospects for are still on the team, and how many Cups they helped us win.

You played this "we still have two firsts" card before, and I pointed out how misleading that statement was.

Matty got 2 more, Mitch might get 1 more, and Willy might get 4 more. That's 7, and if we don't re-sign JT that's 4 extra. And in case you hadn't noticed, the cap has gone up since they were all signed several years ago.

Every team trades assets for a better chance to win... in hindsight, I'd like to hold onto every asset and even sell at the deadline if we don't win, but obviously, that is not possible.

I don't think we've spent more assets than most teams competing.

Just trade our prospects for picks, that will solve the problem of not having enough picks to fit people's desires.

Cowan can get a 1st

Minten probably can too.

Knies is a 1st+.

Niemela might be a late 1st.

Grebyonkin is at least a high 2nd, maybe a 1st.

We have prospects who can likely be dealt for 2nds and 3rds.

We have lots of assets.

What player is replacing Tavares who has been around PPG every season? That extra 4 million will go a long way to getting a Tavares-caliber player.

 

[thusk]

Domi has 6 goals in 43 playoff games. He can't be the third line centre in the playoffs, and I am sure Leafs' management knows that.

since 2021, Domi had 2X more primary point ( so goal+ A1) and 2 more goal at 5v5 than nylander... just like that

 

[notDatsyuk]

Every team trades assets for a better chance to win... in hindsight, I'd like to hold onto every asset and even sell at the deadline if we don't win, but obviously, that is not possible.

I don't think we've spent more assets than most teams competing.

Just trade our prospects for picks, that will solve the problem of not having enough picks to fit people's desires.

Cowan can get a 1st

Minten probably can too.

Knies is a 1st+.

Niemela might be a late 1st.

Grebyonkin is at least a high 2nd, maybe a 1st.

We have prospects who can likely be dealt for 2nds and 3rds.

We have lots of assets.

What player is replacing Tavares who has been around PPG every season? That extra 4 million will go a long way to getting a Tavares-caliber player.

Trading assets for a better chance to win is a very vague statement. Yes, trading assets for rentals (which is what we're talking about) is reasonable if the rentals might put a contender over the top. We weren't really a contender at all, so those trades were nothing more than a desperate attempt to fix a mess.

Sure, trade picks for prospects, or prospects for picks. But don't trade either for a quick fix that won't work.

How much has the cap gone up and will go up during JT's contract? Add that to the 4 and see what you get.

 

[Nineteen67]

I saw this tweet and then I got excited and then got very scared



I am afraid of spending any draft capitals on the same morons who fail to show up in key situations in the post season. I haven't seen any "fighting spirit" or for that matter the "killer instinct" in them.

I am too lazy to start a thread about this may be someone can put a poll. Should Treliving really throw away draft capital to go for it this season? My answer is NO but I wonder whats the general sense for Leafs Nation at least on HF Leafs

On The Leaf (sic) Report the cronies were discussing the Leafs lack of success in OT and were a little shocked that a skilled team doesn’t win more often. The reality is they are not a skilled team but rather have a couple of skilled players in Rielly, Nylander, Matthews, and Marner and a bunch of guys. To compound it they’re skilled players lack hockey sense and hockey intangibles.

 

[Evilhomer]

since 2021, Domi had 2X more primary point ( so goal+ A1) and 2 more goal at 5v5 than nylander... just like that

Uh, okay. What's your point? Nylander shouldn't be the third line centre in the playoffs either.

 

[Mess]

On The Leaf (sic) Report the cronies were discussing the Leafs lack of success in OT and were a little shocked that a skilled team doesn’t win more often. The reality is they are not a skilled team but rather have a couple of skilled players in Rielly, Nylander, Matthews, and Marner and a bunch of guys. To compound it they’re skilled players lack hockey sense and hockey intangibles.

It's true that Leafs are hard to judge on competitiveness for the Cup when 1/2 of their games 11 of 22 games have been decided by gimmick 3v3 SO we see in All-star game or skill competition of SO.

Neither or these game deciding events to break regular season games.

I'm starting to realize MLSE that the owners stand for Maple Leafs Sports & Entertainment, with the emphasis on the last word. The Shan-a-plan is more about entertaining and thus the high contracts of the skilled star players.

What the actual results show is that Leafs are not a very strong ES 5v5 team and that it why they struggle at hockey, but are being propped up by skills competition.

 

[thusk]

Uh, okay. What's your point? Nylander shouldn't be the third line centre in the playoffs either.

Domi would be #2 on primary points at 5v5 in playoff for any leafs player since 2021( behind marner at 13...

so if you can have a centre with same amount of primary points than your #1 on your 3rd line and reacting like its not enough coming from a 3rd line C??? because hes not producing on pp? hes not the guy leafs paying to drive their pp

 

[puckie]

since 2021, Domi had 2X more primary point ( so goal+ A1) and 2 more goal at 5v5 than nylander... just like that

Domi is a skill player and play maker. He is not going to always skate through people and score. As a coach, you have to know how to use him. You need to put him with someone who can finish. He is a great passer. Luke Richards understood how to use him and he thrived. I was actually thinking he would sign with Chicago. You also can expect him to do well with 10 minutes a game with rotating teammates.

Two things that are negatives he is very spotty, great one night and invisible for three. He also looses his cool and does stupid stuff. The stupid stuff has really hurt his career and playing time.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I saw a post saying Tree has been looking into Ristolainen. If he trades for him, then I have no faith in him building a winner

 

[notDatsyuk]

since 2021, Domi had 2X more primary point ( so goal+ A1) and 2 more goal at 5v5 than nylander... just like that

Very selective stats, without mentioning that he did it in almost 2x the games.

 

[Evilhomer]

Domi would be #2 on primary points at 5v5 in playoff for any leafs player since 2021( behind marner at 13...

so if you can have a centre with same amount of primary points than your #1 on your 3rd line and reacting like its not enough coming from a 3rd line C??? because hes not producing on pp? hes not the guy leafs paying to drive their pp

In the playoffs, your third line centre can't be a defensively unreliable, small guy. I am positive that Treliving is well aware of this and will acquire a more appropriate playoff centre by the deadline. Domi will get moved back to the wing.