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He said he changed his mind. He didn't give a reason. Nothing about the work had changed, so it was an emotionally-driven decision.

What are you even talking about, and what does it have to do with anything? We didn't score 5 goals over expected in the series, and Tampa also scored more than expected. Just because we didn't run into a HOF goalie on the run of their lives for once, it doesn't invalidate what we did.
He did give a reason - the idea as expressed in Dubas' talk with the media that lead Shanny to think that he might not want to be there, the new financial package that his representatives asked for and the non public email where Dubas expressed his willingness to stay. I don't think think that it was an emotional decision.
 
Shanny got miffed because Dubas was coming for his job.

Dubas wanted complete autonomy over hockey and the same pay as Shanahan. Right now Shanahan handles the hockey and the business. If MLSE has Dubas handling the hockey, why would they have a hockey guy handling the business side? Shanahan admitted that he wanted Dubas back before the weasel made his power move.
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  • Shanahan has no plan
  • He was going to re-sign Dubas until dubas asked for more
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He did give a reason - the idea as expressed in Dubas' talk with the media that lead Shanny to think that he might not want to be there, the new financial package that his representatives asked for and the non public email where Dubas expressed his willingness to stay.
He didn't give any specific reason. He just changed his mind. Dubas expressed that he wanted to be there, and Shanahan said it wasn't about the money. He wasn't let go because of money or lack of desire to be there. According to Shanahan, he had done an excellent job and had earned a re-signing. And then he made a knee-jerk emotionally-driven decision to flip flop on the signing, when nothing about the body of work had changed. The only other possibility is that Shanahan felt his job being encroached on, and made a self-preservation move.
 
He didn't give any specific reason. He just changed his mind. Dubas expressed that he wanted to be there, and Shanahan said it wasn't about the money. He wasn't let go because of money or lack of desire to be there. According to Shanahan, he had done an excellent job and had earned a re-signing. And then he made a knee-jerk emotionally-driven decision to flip flop on the signing, when nothing about the body of work had changed. The only other possibility is that Shanahan felt his job being encroached on, and made a self-preservation move.
No, he didn't. He made a calculated decision based on the criteria I gave you.
 
He made a calculated decision based on the criteria I gave you.
The calculated decision based on a thorough evaluation of his performance was to re-sign Dubas, because he did a great job according to Shanahan, and earned a new contract.
The decision to flip flop on that and not sign him for no given reason was emotionally-based or self-preservation based; not based on performance that hadn't changed.
 
The calculated decision based on a thorough evaluation of his performance was to re-sign Dubas, because he did a great job according to Shanahan, and earned a new contract.
The decision to flip flop on that and not sign him for no given reason was emotionally-based or self-preservation based; not based on performance that hadn't changed.
Yeah, he changed his mind mind. The press conference, the monetary demand after the framework for the contract was agreed and the email. The seeds were sown on the Monday and the decision was made on the Friday. It was a short time frame, but it was a thought out process. Everyone knows Dubas earned the extention offer.
 
Yeah, he changed his mind mind. The press conference, the monetary demand after the framework for the contract was agreed and the email. The seeds were sown on the Monday and the decision was made on the Friday. It was a short time frame, but it was a thought out process. Everyone knows Dubas earned the extention offer.
Yes, he changed his mind. And according to Shanahan, not for money reasons or performance reasons. Dubas had also made it clear that he wanted the job before the decision was made. So we're left with either an emotionally-driven decision, or a self-preservation one, like I said.
 
Dubas biggest weakness was always negotiating. He negotiated his way out of a job, no need to re-write his history here. Thankfully he's gone.
The Leafs have a chance at playoff success now that he’s gone. I don’t believe this core will ever win a Cup, but they could reach the Conference final a couple of times.
 
He said he changed his mind. He didn't give a reason. Nothing about the work had changed, so it was an emotionally-driven decision.

What are you even talking about, and what does it have to do with anything? We didn't score 5 goals over expected in the series, and Tampa also scored more than expected. Just because we didn't run into a HOF goalie on the run of their lives for once, it doesn't invalidate what we did.

toronto scored exactly 4,4 goal over expected vs 1.07 for tampa

gm 3 leafs scored 1,64 goal over expected vs tampa 1,09 lower than expected

gm 4 leafs scored 2,04 over rxpected vs 1.15 over expevted by tampa

gm 6 leafs scored 0.51 lower than expected vs 2.54 lower than expected for tampa

in those game who was the turning point of that series leafs scored 3.17 over expected and tampa 2,48 lower than expected. its 5.65 goal resulting of goaltending in those 3 key game of the series



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toronto scored exactly 4,4 goal over expected vs 1.07 for tampa
Toronto scored 3.1 goals above expected against Tampa, and Tampa scored 0.9 goals above expected against Toronto. And I'm not sure what it has to do with anything.
What the goalies did doesn't change what the skaters did, and the fact that we finally ran into something other than a HOF goalie having the run of their lives doesn't invalidate our win. Interestingly, if you combine both series, both teams scored an identical 1.5 goals above expected.
 
Toronto scored 3.1 goals above expected against Tampa, and Tampa scored 0.9 goals above expected against Toronto. And I'm not sure what it has to do with anything.
What the goalies did doesn't change what the skaters did, and the fact that we finally ran into something other than a HOF goalie having the run of their lives doesn't invalidate our win. Interestingly, if you combine both series, both teams scored an identical 1.5 goals above expected.

i just sent picture of numbers, ibdont know ehre you taking your number maybe its time to find a credible source
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1.14 over expected+ 4.4 over expected = 5.14 over expected

1.07+0.81 = 1.88

i dont know where you took your 1.5 above expected . leafs scored 5.14 over expected both srries combined vs 1.88 over expected for tampa
 
I have one, that tends to be more detailed and accurate than the one you're using: NHL Team Stats
And you're so focused on the specific numbers when the numbers don't change the underlying point anyway.
like i said a credible source, a website who are not able to have the right total of goal for/ against, you cant even consider this as a credible source but go ahead if your thinking your fantastic source who was unable to give the easiest basic stats you can just take on official NHL website. but yeah for sure we should trust them for avanced stats when they are too dump to give the good basic stats...
 
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like i said a credible source, a website who are not able to have the right total of goal for/ against, you cant even consider this as a credible source but go ahead if your thinking your fantastic source who was unable to give the easiest basic stats you can just take on official NHL website. but yeah for sure we should trust them for avanced stats when they are too dump to give the good basic stats...
...What are you even talking about? The goals for/against are the exact same as what you posted, and the same as NHL.com.
 
He did say why he decided to relieve Dubas of his GM position. This was after Dubas wanted to discuss things with his family and some of the vultures on the board said that he was a beta and had to ask his wife.

Shanahan then articulated on Thursday that he received a call from Dubas’s agent, who presented him with a new financial package than previously discussed. Shanahan did not hear from Dubas in-person for the rest of the day, but later received an email from Dubas stating that he wanted to remain as the Maple Leafs GM.

“If I’m being honest, I had gotten to a different place about how I felt about the future of the Toronto Maple Leafs and what was best," Shanahan said. "As hard as it was and hard as it is to make a significant change to someone you’re close to and someone you’ve worked with for nine years, a gap had risen within the contract status. Nevertheless, the email I had received from Kyle, I just felt differently and I felt the long-term future of the Maple Leafs might have to change.”
That is what happens when you are talking to the Penguins, whilst still under contract from the Leafs.
 
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...What are you even talking about? The goals for/against are the exact same as what you posted, and the same as NHL.com.

from moneypuck leafs scored 72 goal this season vs 73 against

from NHL 76 goal for vs 74

i always found some of those kind of things... naturalstatstrick is personally the best websitr i found for avanced stats and coming with even more credibility and even more detailled ( contrairly at what you said) than moneypuck


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from moneypuck leafs scored 72 goal this season vs 73 against

from NHL 76 goal for vs 74

i always found some of those kind of things... naturalstatstrick is personally the best websitr i found for avanced stats and coming with even more credibility and even more detailled ( contrairly at what you said) than moneypuck


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I’m staring at NHL.com stats right now and the leafs have 72 GF and 73 against
 
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He sucks so far but Shanahan is the one that really, really has to go. A moron with no plan other than play it safe and run it back over and over and over again.

Can’t believe a HoFer and guy that played his style of hockey can be this bad at recognizing things need to change.
just read an article assessing trelivings drafting and trading in calgary .he could run a boston pizza franchise i think
 
I’m staring at NHL.com stats right now and the leafs have 72 GF and 73 against

yeah im took for standing and i think they put SO goal in... but like i said i already found a lot of incongruity with moneypuck over yewr because i used it couple of year ago and i switch for naturalstatstrick .avanced stats game by game, period by perior, player by player, line by line. more detail and look more credible
 
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from moneypuck leafs scored 72 goal this season vs 73 against
from NHL 76 goal for vs 74
NHL adds shootout goals to totals on the NHL standings site. That's the discrepancy you're seeing.
If you go to the NHL.com team stats page, you'll see the 72-73.
Also note that the site you were using, Naturalstattrick, also has 72-73.
 
Power struggles within Toronto Maple Leafs reportedly led to sudden firing of GM Kyle Dubas: ‘It’s like Game of Thrones’

Here’s a fairly good account of what Dubas did to get himself fired, the only thing it doesn’t mention is Dubas re-negging on the original framework of his extension.

Everyone has a boss and Dubas tried to remove his own boss from the decision hierarchy at MLSE.

99 times out of 100 you try that you’ll end up fired, but obviously this was done knowing the Penguins job was already lined up. He had nothing to lose by trying it, other than his own reputation…
 
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