Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

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As the season goes on, I think there's been a shift from hating his moves to actually coming back around and appreciating some of the work he's done. Of course, still lots of games to be played, but given some of the freakouts that happened in October, it's only fair to also look at the positive developments of late.

Good
Lagesson, Benoit signings
- The team has been going through the ringer with injuries on D and these have been quality pieces that have stepped up in a time of need and performed well

Noah Gregor signing - Gregor has been very good, he is a sparkplug in the bottom 6 and is still only 25, and while he lacks finish he is one of the leaders in shots / possession / chances generated while also playing good defense

Martin Jones signing - Jones is a low risk good insurance move especially given how Woll is now injured and Samsonov has been very unstable this year

Domi signing - After a bit of a slow start, he's been a great fit at 3C and has formed a very solid line with Robertson and Jarnkrok. It's been a while since the Leafs have had a formidable third line that actually puts consistent pressure on the other team, and Domi has been a big part of that. Signing him also allows to push down Kampf

Okay
Bertuzzi signing - If anyone said that they wouldn't have done this deal, they're probably lying or being captain hindsight. Has Bertuzzi's production been disappointing? Yes, HOWEVER he is playing very well otherwise and has been giving his best effort each night, and tilts the ice when he is out there. He is really snakebitten right now (6.25 sh% at 5v5), but is a leader in CF%, xGF% and individual shots and chances generated. Him and JT have been doing some great work together on the boards and cycle, they just need to convert more

Kampf contract - 2.5M seems a little steep for Kampf, but he's played better of late and is a swiss-army knife type player for the team, often having played in the 3C role previously. He also generally takes on tough assignments and has also played decent in the playoffs, and is signed through his prime. A fairly reliable player who gets some undeserved hate

Bad
Reaves signing - Tough to defend this one. He's been better of late, but given that there's guys like Steeves and McMann and we traded Lafferty away, there were better options that bring more to the team. Luckily, his contract can be fully buried pretty much if need be

Klingberg signing - In principle, I actually don't hate this. The idea behind it was good, the team needed more offense from the back end and Klingberg was a premier offensive D in the past, unfortunately he was injured and it appears Treliving and pro scouting may not have done their due diligence. A healthy Klingberg would've been a great addition otherwise. He's LTIRed now though and gone for the year, so no harm no foul overall I suppose. Wish we could've just brought back Gus though

Overall, not a bad body of work, and certainly nothing crippling here. If his worst move is a 4th liner who can be completely buried, that's not too bad. Wish he could've moved out a core piece but I suspect Shanahan prevented that from happening.

Klinberg was not injured when leafs signed him... an old injury from 2014 who completly disappear with surgery reappear game 4 vs florida, nothing pro scouting could do about it. if you need to take care of injury 10 year ago, you will never sign anybody.
 
He struck out on Klingberg and Reaves.

He did well in acquiring Bertuzzi, Domi and several depth players that have stepped up as of late with a depleted blueline.

Overall, I am content with his performance thus far and I look forward to seeing what he can do to bolster the lineup leading up to the trade deadline with Klingberg's LTIR providing additional cap flexibility.
 
Klinberg was not injured when leafs signed him... an old injury from 2014 who completly disappear with surgery reappear game 4 vs florida, nothing pro scouting could do about it. if you need to take care of injury 10 year ago, you will never sign anybody.
Klingberg has visibly lost a step the last couple of years, it would make sense that he had some sort of nagging issue.
 
They've picked it up a bit lately, but objectively, by any tangible measure, they're not, even though they should be.
Like others, I think you are not seeing the subtle changes in a number of key players, and the corresponding result that is having on the rest of the lineup.
 
Klingberg has visibly lost a step the last couple of years, it would make sense that he had some sort of nagging issue.

he was inpace for over 50 pts last season in Dallas. same last season when he was in Minnesota. we all know they didn't signed klinberg for his defensive game but come playoff time, he found a way to raise his game most of the time...

the 3 game he played healthy this season, he was fine. He did what we've expected but at the end we just remembered the guy who played hurt for 11 games and wad unable to follow the game anymore
 
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As the season goes on, I think there's been a shift from hating his moves to actually coming back around and appreciating some of the work he's done. Of course, still lots of games to be played, but given some of the freakouts that happened in October, it's only fair to also look at the positive developments of late.

Good
Lagesson, Benoit signings
- The team has been going through the ringer with injuries on D and these have been quality pieces that have stepped up in a time of need and performed well

Noah Gregor signing - Gregor has been very good, he is a sparkplug in the bottom 6 and is still only 25, and while he lacks finish he is one of the leaders in shots / possession / chances generated while also playing good defense

Martin Jones signing - Jones is a low risk good insurance move especially given how Woll is now injured and Samsonov has been very unstable this year

Domi signing - After a bit of a slow start, he's been a great fit at 3C and has formed a very solid line with Robertson and Jarnkrok. It's been a while since the Leafs have had a formidable third line that actually puts consistent pressure on the other team, and Domi has been a big part of that. Signing him also allows to push down Kampf

Okay
Bertuzzi signing - If anyone said that they wouldn't have done this deal, they're probably lying or being captain hindsight. Has Bertuzzi's production been disappointing? Yes, HOWEVER he is playing very well otherwise and has been giving his best effort each night, and tilts the ice when he is out there. He is really snakebitten right now (6.25 sh% at 5v5), but is a leader in CF%, xGF% and individual shots and chances generated. Him and JT have been doing some great work together on the boards and cycle, they just need to convert more

Kampf contract - 2.5M seems a little steep for Kampf, but he's played better of late and is a swiss-army knife type player for the team, often having played in the 3C role previously. He also generally takes on tough assignments and has also played decent in the playoffs, and is signed through his prime. A fairly reliable player who gets some undeserved hate

Bad
Reaves signing - Tough to defend this one. He's been better of late, but given that there's guys like Steeves and McMann and we traded Lafferty away, there were better options that bring more to the team. Luckily, his contract can be fully buried pretty much if need be

Klingberg signing - In principle, I actually don't hate this. The idea behind it was good, the team needed more offense from the back end and Klingberg was a premier offensive D in the past, unfortunately he was injured and it appears Treliving and pro scouting may not have done their due diligence. A healthy Klingberg would've been a great addition otherwise. He's LTIRed now though and gone for the year, so no harm no foul overall I suppose. Wish we could've just brought back Gus though

Overall, not a bad body of work, and certainly nothing crippling here. If his worst move is a 4th liner who can be completely buried, that's not too bad. Wish he could've moved out a core piece but I suspect Shanahan prevented that from happening.

He also signed Matthews very quietly in the summer potentially avoiding a franchise changing crisis.
 
If the D is all healthy who goes away and in what order. What does Treliving do?
Benoit
Lagesson
Lajoie
Timmons

AND
Who do we lose to waivers??
 
He also signed Matthews very quietly in the summer potentially avoiding a franchise changing crisis.

I think it is a good signing, but based on the other thread on the first page and how much people complain about him not performing in the playoffs, this can likely go under "terrible", right?

If the D is all healthy who goes away and in what order. What does Treliving do?
Benoit
Lagesson
Lajoie
Timmons

AND
Who do we lose to waivers??

We can carry 2 extra right now, so guessing:

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins
Benoit - Lagesson

to start at least, I think the bottom 3 of Timmins, Benoit, and Lagesson are interchangeable.
 
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If the D is all healthy who goes away and in what order. What does Treliving do?
Benoit
Lagesson
Lajoie
Timmons

AND
Who do we lose to waivers??
Benoit and Lagesson are way ahead of Timmins and Lajoie at this point. If I had to pick between Benoit and Lagesson as the 6th, might lean Benoit just on experience, but Lagesson has really shown something. Timmins probably clears waivers anyways.
 
If the D is all healthy who goes away and in what order. What does Treliving do?
Benoit
Lagesson
Lajoie
Timmons

AND
Who do we lose to waivers??
Lajoie seems to be the easy choice for odd man out among that group. Trying to sneak any of Timmins, Lagesson or Benoit through waivers would be the tougher task (which is actually a pleasant surprise in itself). I prefer to retain Timmins and have Lagesson and Benoit as essentially a pick'em for second/third choice.
 
Benoit and Lagesson are way ahead of Timmins and Lajoie at this point. If I had to pick between Benoit and Lagesson as the 6th, might lean Benoit just on experience, but Lagesson has really shown something. Timmins probably clears waivers anyways.
I think this is right. Maybe a bottom feeder claims Timmins, but he and Lajoie are definitely the guys you waive relative to the others.
 
I think this is right. Maybe a bottom feeder claims Timmins, but he is definitely the guy you waive relative to the others.
Especially as the ice gets tighter, his weaknesses become even more concerning to me. I don't mean to pick on him either, I like what I saw last year when he first came up, was a fan. He tapered off pretty quickly though and struggled, this year looks like a continuation, if not worse. Benoit and Lagesson are simple players, more suited to a 6 role. Pitt would probably take Timmins ;)
 
Benoit and Lagesson are way ahead of Timmins and Lajoie at this point. If I had to pick between Benoit and Lagesson as the 6th, might lean Benoit just on experience, but Lagesson has really shown something. Timmins probably clears waivers anyways.

I think Timmins is going to be one of the pieces involved in whatever trade for a defensive upgrade they do make.

Obviously Timmins won't be the main piece but I do think he will be traded.

Treliving didn't bring him in so he's got no loyalty to him.
 
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I think Timmins is going to be one of the pieces involved in whatever trade for a defensive upgrade they do make.

Obviously Timmins won't be the main piece but I do think he will be traded.

Treliving didn't bring him in so he's got no loyalty to him.
What value does he have though? Maybe a 5th?
 
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I would not be shocked if he got a 4th.

Under contract for another year at $1.1mm, and this is RFA.

He is playing in the NHL and you don't go shopping for a top 4 defender with a 3rd. pick.

He isn't a top 4, but as I said you don't get a top 4 for as little as a 3rd. rounder.
He's playing in the NHL because we've lost three D men. He's an 8 or 9 on a serviceable D corp right now. I'd be stunned if he brought back a 4th but who knows.
 
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He's playing in the NHL because we've lost three D men. He's an 8 or 9 on a serviceable D corp right now. I'd be stunned if he brought back a 4th but who knows.
I think he will just end up being included in a deal to even out salaries. I doubt very much he ends this season as a Leaf.
 
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I don't disagree injuries opened up the opportunity.

But Leafs defense looks as good as it did when it was fully healthy.
He's horrid in our zone from what I'm watching. Making some offensive plays, but a disaster in our end. I've watched him intently, there's no way that survives in this league. Perhaps his confidence is low.
 
What value does he have though? Maybe a 5th?
He might be good to grab a surprisingly respectable offensive depth player on a buriable wage in case of injuries from a team that is in a better place to pursue value in continuing the project.

Fine player and hope he does well but for Leafs there is a Girard-Avs-Exit defensive risk that doesn't work for us right now.
 
Like others, I think you are not seeing the subtle changes in a number of key players, and the corresponding result that is having on the rest of the lineup.
What is this even supposed to mean? What "subtle changes"? What "key players"? What impact on the rest of the lineup?
Because whatever you intended to say with this vague statement, and whatever you think is happening, the fact remains that objectively, we have not been better.
Except they are pretty much identical in terms of win %. Which, lets be honest, is the only statistic that matters during the regular season.
Point percentage is what determines the standings, but it is not the only thing that matters to look at.
And even by that one specific metric, being slightly worse in it doesn't equate to being "unquestionably improved over last season".
 

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