Player Discussion Brad Marchand X- Return of the Rat

[Bruinswillwin77]

He has some demons to live with for sure after the line change in 2019 and then not scoring at the end of game 5 which he said he will have to live with forever.

 

[GordonHowe]

Happy Birthday (Captain?) Brad Marchand!

If Patrice Bergeron retires, will Brad Marchand be named the 21st captain in Boston Bruins franchise history? The longtime Boston Bruins winger turned 35 years old on Thursday. Unfortunately for Marchand and his Bruins teammates they weren’t together at a practice or video session following Game...

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[NDiesel]

Pretty surprised Pasta doesn't have more than 3?

 

[James Walker]

Did he and Bergeron get Cassidy fired?

 

[LSCII]

Did he and Bergeron get Cassidy fired?

I'd throw Krejci in that mix as well, but it certainly seems like it. Well, that coupled with Cam and Don looking for an end of season scapegoat created the perfect storm to move on. It was a bullshit move at the time and they handled it unprofessionally as well. The people who point to the regular season victories as proof it was time to make a change are ignoring the post season bed shitting by this team and the success Cassidy went on to achieve.

Talk about egg on their faces. What a bunch of whinny little bitches. Your boss was too mean and demanded more from you? Shut the f*** up and play better. Easy solution to not having your name mentioned.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I'd throw Krejci in that mix as well, but it certainly seems like it. Well, that coupled with Cam and Don looking for an end of season scapegoat created the perfect storm to move on. It was a bullshit move at the time and they handled it unprofessionally as well. The people who point to the regular season victories as proof it was time to make a change are ignoring the post season bed shitting by this team and the success Cassidy went on to achieve.

Talk about egg on their faces. What a bunch of whinny little bitches. Your boss was too mean and demanded more from you? Shut the f*** up and play better. Easy solution to not having your name mentioned.

He just had his ass handed to him by Brind’Amour. Which is scary. He had six years and the players weren’t responding - six years is an eternity for a NHL coach. And he was doing a terrible job with young players. This narrative that the players all whined to daddy is unfounded and wreaks of listening to Mike Felger too much.

 

[LSCII]

He just had his ass handed to him by Brind’Amour. Which is scary. He had six years and the players weren’t responding - six years is an eternity for a NHL coach. And he was doing a terrible job with young players. This narrative that the players all whined to daddy is unfounded and wreaks of listening to Mike Felger too much.

And Monty got his teeth kicked in by Paul Maurice, FFS. This core did the same thing to the last coach before Cassidy as well. Which says it's more about them and the front office for enabling the bad behaviors than the coaches. You can dismiss it if you want, but this team should have achieved more than they did and their poor attitudes are the reason they haven't. It's disgraceful.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

And Monty got his teeth kicked in by Paul Maurice, FFS. This core did the same thing to the last coach before Cassidy as well. Which says it's more about them and the front office for enabling the bad behaviors than the coaches. You can dismiss it if you want, but this team should have achieved more than they did and their poor attitudes are the reason they haven't. It's disgraceful.

Whatever. But this idea that the team would have done better by keeping Cassidy is just silly.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Luck is notoriously swayed by behavioral merits.

 

[LSCII]

Whatever. But this idea that the team would have done better by keeping Cassidy is just silly.

Is it though? Under Cassidy, with far less of a roster than this past year, they went Second round, cup finals, second round, second round, and first round. And with Vegas this year he won the cup. So his track record of getting his teams past the first round is pretty solid and consistent, no?

You can be for a change all you want, and that's a fair position, but let's not pretend he's a bad coach and didn't get his teams ready to play. The supposed "leaders" on the team decided it was better to have a fun coach than one that pointed out when they needed to be better. And in the playoffs, you can't be about fun.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Is it though? Under Cassidy, with far less of a roster than this past year, they went Second round, cup finals, second round, second round, and first round. And with Vegas this year he won the cup. So his track record of getting his teams past the first round is pretty solid and consistent, no?

You can be for a change all you want, and that's a fair position, but let's not pretend he's a bad coach and didn't get his teams ready to play. The supposed "leaders" on the team decided it was better to have a fun coach than one that pointed out when they needed to be better. And in the playoffs, you can't be about fun.

No one said he’s a bad coach. The “fun” coach demanded by the players is made up. If you’ve heard some of the same things I’ve heard about how Cassidy dealt with many players (I would have figured you had) then this narrative would be gone.

 

[NDiesel]

Whatever. But this idea that the team would have done better by keeping Cassidy is just silly.

I dont think it would have mattered much if we had Bruce...but his team just dismantled the team who beat us 1st round. Wouldn’t be out of the question to say he could have outcoached Maurice with the Bruins roster in round 1....unless we put the loss squarely on the players, which is fair to me too.

Just disagree that it's "silly" to think that Cassidy could have overcame some of the rookie mistakes Monty displayed.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I dont think it would have mattered much if we had Bruce...but his team just dismantled the team who beat us 1st round. Wouldn’t be out of the question to say he could have outcoached Maurice with the Bruins roster in round 1....unless we put the loss squarely on the players, which is fair to me too.

Just disagree that it's "silly" to think that Cassidy could have overcame some of the rookie mistakes Monty displayed.

But as with all cases like this, you’re assuming Cassidy gets them in the same position. That he gets Brandon Carlo to play his best hockey in years, gets Debrusk and Frederic to play great, gets us the top seed, etc. You can’t do that obviously.

 

[DKH]

Luck is notoriously swayed by behavioral merits.

Know your audience

 

[LSCII]

Whatever. But this idea that the team would have done better by keeping Cassidy is just silly.

Again, his 6 year track record here says otherwise, but mmkay. Your feelings are prolly right...

 

[HumBucker]

Is it though? Under Cassidy, with far less of a roster than this past year, they went Second round, cup finals, second round, second round, and first round. And with Vegas this year he won the cup. So his track record of getting his teams past the first round is pretty solid and consistent, no?

You can be for a change all you want, and that's a fair position, but let's not pretend he's a bad coach and didn't get his teams ready to play. The supposed "leaders" on the team decided it was better to have a fun coach than one that pointed out when they needed to be better. And in the playoffs, you can't be about fun.

So that’s the measuring stick now? Getting past the first round? Yee haw.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

So that’s the measuring stick now? Getting past the first round? Yee haw.

When you start with a conclusion and work backwards for evidence you end up using the first round as a measuring stick I guess.

 

[LSCII]

So that’s the measuring stick now? Getting past the first round? Yee haw.

No, but given this team's success in the regular season (which I am still heartily celebrating LOFL), they should have gone on a deep run. So getting bounced in the first round was beyond embarrassing. And people saying Cassidy wouldn't have done better are lying to themselves because they don't want to admit the problem wasn't coaching, although Monty did get pantsed by Maurice in a major way. It was a rotten core.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

No, but given this team's success in the regular season (which I am still heartily celebrating LOFL), they should have gone on a deep run. So getting bounced in the first round was beyond embarrassing. And people saying Cassidy wouldn't have done better are lying to themselves because they don't want to admit the problem wasn't coaching, although Monty did get pantsed by Maurice in a major way. It was a rotten core.

If it’s a rotten core then how would Cassidy have done better?

 

[LSCII]

If it’s a rotten core then how would Cassidy have done better?

Because he already had many times over. You know, that pesky thing called a track record? They hated being called out in the press, but it worked. Which is why you don't enable them to get rid of that. You lean into it and make them not be entitled little shits. Them being rewarded by getting their way for quitting on two coaches is the wrong way to do business. It's like having your kid throw a shit fit when you say no to ice cream for dinner, so they cry and you cave and give them ice cream for dinner. You know what's going to happen tomorrow and the next day and the next day? Same shit. You don't let them run things. You're in charge, but under this front office, that is not the case.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Because he already had many times over. You know, that pesky thing called a track record? They hated being called out in the press, but it worked. Which is why you don't enable them to get rid of that. You lean into it and make them not be entitled little shits. Them being rewarded by getting their way for quitting on two coaches is the wrong way to do business. It's like having your kid throw a shit fit when you say no to ice cream for dinner, so they cry and you cave and give them ice cream for dinner. You know what's going to happen tomorrow and the next day and the next day? Same shit. You don't let them run things. You're in charge, but under this front office, that is not the case.

You’re literally the only one who think Bruce earned more years because of his track record. It’s amazing.

 

[LSCII]

You’re literally the only one who think Bruce earned more years because of his track record. It’s amazing.

No, that's not what I said. I said the front office has enabled this core to routinely quit on coaches, and it's the wrong way to go. You don't let the inmates run the asylum. But sure, I said give Cassidy a multi year extension. LOL

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

No, that's not what I said. I said the front office has enabled this core to routinely quit on coaches, and it's the wrong way to go. You don't let the inmates run the asylum. But sure, I said give Cassidy a multi year extension. LOL

Huh? You keep saying they should have kept Cassidy. And two coaches over a 16 year period is unheard of. It doesn’t happen. Making the leap to calling this core children who are throwing tantrums is off the reservation.

 

[LouJersey]

He just had his ass handed to him by Brind’Amour. Which is scary. He had six years and the players weren’t responding - six years is an eternity for a NHL coach. And he was doing a terrible job with young players. This narrative that the players all whined to daddy is unfounded and wreaks of listening to Mike Felger too much.

That's funny, How did Brind'amour do vs Cassidy when Bruce had the better team?