Player Discussion Brad Marchand IV - CONFIRMED signed 8 years @ 6.125/yr

[ODAAT]

Brad Marchand is thinking World Cup not a new Bruins contract

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/..._thinking_world_cup_not_a_new_bruins_contract

“This is an incredible organization and one we’re all proud to be a part of. It would be great to be able to be here my whole career and you see how rare that is nowadays. It doesn’t happen often. It would be an incredible thing,†he said, “but a lot of things have to line up for that to happen, not only now but down the road. So we’ll play it year by year.â€

Marchand said he hasn’t thought about whether he would want to negotiate with the team once the season started.

“There’s still a lot of time before the season,†he said. “The World Cup right now is the main thing. It’s an extremely big stage for everyone involved. It’s an incredible opportunity and that’s my main goal right now. If that ever comes, we’ll worry about it at that time. We’ll see.â€

"incredible organization"?????? Reading here, this organization is a joke about to fold

Thanks Wally

 

[Ladyfan]

Subban was traded. I think he would have happily stayed in Montreal, and had just signed a long term deal not that long ago.

Different situations.

I think Marchand is a key bridge guy, still young enough to play with the crop of kids drafted the last 3 years. I think he will be a Bruin for life.

I hope so. Sign the kid now .

 

[PlayMakers]

"incredible organization"?????? Reading here, this organization is a joke about to fold

Thanks Wally

That's not just the reading here OD. That's the message now. National columnists, NHL Network, it's all ha-ha the Bruins don't know what they're doing snicker. I saw Amalie Benjamin on NHLN the other day, she's a former Bruin writer, and even she was with the snarky remarks.

Right or wrong, local or national, nobody in the media is passing on a chance to take a free kick at this team right now.

 

[PlayMakers]

That's not just the reading here OD. That's the message now. National columnists, NHL Network, it's all ha-ha the Bruins don't know what they're doing snicker. I saw Amalie Benjamin on NHLN the other day, she's a former Bruin writer, and even she was with the snarky remarks.

Right or wrong, local or national, nobody in the media is passing on a chance to take a free kick at this team right now.

All of which makes it doubly nice to hear guys like Marchand and Krug (and Vatrano) so proud to be Bruins.


Although it makes you wonder if the message has come down from on high to get a little positive spin going in the media.

 

[Fierce1]

I don't understand what's the hold up. The FO either gets this deal done or they lose him for 50 cents on the dollar, the franchise sinks further into an abyss. The upside will be a front office shake up if it comes to that kind of incompetence.

 

[PlayMakers]

I don't understand what's the hold up. The FO either gets this deal done or they lose him for 50 cents on the dollar, the franchise sinks further into an abyss. The upside will be a front office shake up if it comes to that kind of incompetence.

My guess is that his agents are known for trying to set the market with every high profile player they have, while the Bruins are probably trying to avoid making him the highest paid LW in the league not named Ovechkin.

So there's some back and forth going on.

 

[World of Wardlow]

So, what can this truly mean? Marchand signs before the season starts, or he goes ufa next year?

 

[DKH]

Before they give $8 M a year maybe want to make sure not a fluke

You don't pay guys who are 20 goal scorers $8 M

I'd figure he's going to get around 30 a year next 5 years but they may want to wait which is understandable

 

[Seidenbergy]

I'd figure he's going to get around 30 a year next 5 years but they may want to wait which is understandable

30 mil a year for one player would sure suck against the cap.

 

[DKH]

30 mil a year for one player would sure suck against the cap.

Actually I think he comes in around $7ish per and gets done before the season starts

 

[ap3lovr]

Actually I think he comes in around $7ish per and gets done before the season starts

I don't have any trust in this front office to get a deal done. I honestly think Marchand is in a different uniform next year.

 

[DKH]

I don't have any trust in this front office to get a deal done. I honestly think Marchand is in a different uniform next year.

I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised

 

[TMac21]

7 x 6.5 please.

Really bad timing for this 37 goal season, hope we don't overpay.

 

[BBB24]

Actually I think he comes in around $7ish per and gets done before the season starts

I think you are exactly right, will make a nice story right after he and Team Canada win the World Cup. He will get the max in years at around the 6-7 mil mark.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

i said it before but not for awhile

marchand is an undersized agitator with better than average foot speed and good hands

players that compare in style are names like ryan callahan... dustin brown... brenden morrow... steve avery... darcy tucker... ken linsmen... esa tikkanen... claude lemieux

as we go further to try to find more names we come up with no happy answers... the consistent truth remains these guys become highly ineffective when they lose their skating advantage

that one step of speed lose kills the career of these under sized agitators. its an ugly fall off the face of the cliff. one season they score their career best numbers... 2 seasons later they are struggling to keep up with 4th line duty.

you either need size or superior skill to stay effective much past 31-32. these undersized physical pests who dont have yzerman or sakic or datsyuk level creativity... dont age well.

a 6-7 year contract might be a disaster. unfortunately, we dont figure to be competitive the first 2-3 years when marchand is worth the money... and then once we are competitive he probably will be like callahan or brown or morrow and a cap killer for us. the best thing for everyone probably is to let marchand go to a current cup contender

 

[PB37]

Canucks fans think Chris Tanev is worth more than Brad Marchand. Give me a freakin' break

 

[BigGoalBrad]

i said it before but not for awhile

marchand is an undersized agitator with better than average foot speed and good hands

players that compare in style are names like ryan callahan... dustin brown... brenden morrow... steve avery... darcy tucker... ken linsmen... esa tikkanen... claude lemieux

as we go further to try to find more names we come up with no happy answers... the consistent truth remains these guys become highly ineffective when they lose their skating advantage

that one step of speed lose kills the career of these under sized agitators. its an ugly fall off the face of the cliff. one season they score their career best numbers... 2 seasons later they are struggling to keep up with 4th line duty.

you either need size or superior skill to stay effective much past 31-32. these undersized physical pests who dont have yzerman or sakic or datsyuk level creativity... dont age well.

a 6-7 year contract might be a disaster. unfortunately, we dont figure to be competitive the first 2-3 years when marchand is worth the money... and then once we are competitive he probably will be like callahan or brown or morrow and a cap killer for us. the best thing for everyone probably is to let marchand go to a current cup contender

You're a good poster and this is a good post. Don't like the direct comparisons to Brad though Brad is TINY hes not a large man the other guys mentioned are average-above average in size. More weight to carry around and more likely to slow down with age.


Pat Verbeek is the best comparison. Marchand is about 4 years younger than Verbeek was when he slowed down when he went to Dallas and became more of a defensive specialist instead of a talented 2 way guy. Brad should have 5-6 years left as a good 2 way forward and that will be followed with 2-3 years as a defensive shutdown specialist. Marchand is better than Verbeek too.


If he has no major injuries and maintains the desire to continue to play Marchand is a near virtual lock to have the skill set and skating to be able to remain in the NHL until/after his 40th birthday or come damn close. Beleskey or Krejci are the guys on the team who its hard to project being very good late 30s IMO.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Canucks fans think Chris Tanev is worth more than Brad Marchand. Give me a freakin' break

"best defensive defenseman in the league"... "Lidström, minus the offense"... The hyperbole in that thread are to toxic levels..

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Before I thought 7 million for Brad was obscene. . But now when I think about it if he scores 35+ again he'd be in better than Kessel territory plus the defense and chemistry with Bergeron.

Plus he pisses off rival fans.

It's a dream that he matches Bergeron's contract. $7-7.5 for 5 or so years would be nice.

 

[Flannelman]

I'd be curious who anchored first in the negotiations. 7x7 seems like a fair spot for both sides but if the Bs could save a year, with a slightly higher cap hit, that might be better. I'm a fan of the signing bonus structure from ROR and I would expect that to be attractive from the agent perspective, too.

 

[Ladyfan]

Before I thought 7 million for Brad was obscene. . But now when I think about it if he scores 35+ again he'd be in better than Kessel territory plus the defense and chemistry with Bergeron.

Plus he pisses off rival fans.

It's a dream that he matches Bergeron's contract. $7-7.5 for 5 or so years would be nice.

I just want Brad signed in Boston ASAP.

The thought of him playing for another team makes me angry and sad.

He is a blast to watch on the ice. He and Bergy have such great chemistry. Also Brad is becoming a team leader ( I know it is hard for some of you to believe) and very vocal .

He has calmed down quite a bit with the antics but I hope he will always have a bit of that in him.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

In what way is he becoming a team leader? Just wondering because players who are prone to suspensions are seldom leaders. Thanks

He's worn an A before for the Bruins and minor league teams. Many of the players in the NHL are leaders regardless of who is captain in the NHL. The NHL is the best of the best.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

You're a good poster and this is a good post. Don't like the direct comparisons to Brad though Brad is TINY hes not a large man the other guys mentioned are average-above average in size. More weight to carry around and more likely to slow down with age.


Pat Verbeek is the best comparison. Marchand is about 4 years younger than Verbeek was when he slowed down when he went to Dallas and became more of a defensive specialist instead of a talented 2 way guy. Brad should have 5-6 years left as a good 2 way forward and that will be followed with 2-3 years as a defensive shutdown specialist. Marchand is better than Verbeek too.


If he has no major injuries and maintains the desire to continue to play Marchand is a near virtual lock to have the skill set and skating to be able to remain in the NHL until/after his 40th birthday or come damn close. Beleskey or Krejci are the guys on the team who its hard to project being very good late 30s IMO.

verbeek never crossed my mind... good job... i wonder how many other historical examples there are

i know guys can remain superstar until 40 if they were superstars to begin with. so talent doesnt go away as long as desire and health remain

i know the big guys like guerin, shanahan, knuble, leclair, tocchet, roberts and that type of bigger body guy with good hands remains effective to 35- 36 traditionally and most of these guys still are scoring 30 goals at that age... which is why the backes deal doesnt scare me

i know guys who run people over as part of their everygame style... break down in their mid 20s usually. there hasnt been alot of guys that compare to lucic... lindros and neely jump quickly to mind. lucic has already outlasted them due to the rule changes... but signing lucic terrified me cause historically these older guys cant go around hitting everyone and without that physical intimidation i think lucic becomes a 3rd liner.

history is full of good little 2 way euros... but not many stay effective after 30. i think loui eriksson compares to a jere lehtiner or a esa tikkanen somewhat... pj axelsson can be a comparable...

the defensive game of these guys isnt enough to keep them in the nhl once they lose a step and their offense dissapears.

a truely elite offensive dynamo like zetterberg or federov or datsyuk can continue to score but this next level of talent loses its edge

mostly just true superstars... or bigger body guys... avoid the drop off after 30-31 or so. guys who play great defense hang on another couple years... guys with grit...

but very few defense grit guys are worth 6-7 mill... hence my mentioning callahan and dustin brown as two prime examples of guys that are killing their teams cap only 2-3 years after signing

 

[GloryDaze4877]

i said it before but not for awhile

marchand is an undersized agitator with better than average foot speed and good hands

players that compare in style are names like ryan callahan... dustin brown... brenden morrow... steve avery... darcy tucker... ken linsmen... esa tikkanen... claude lemieux

as we go further to try to find more names we come up with no happy answers... the consistent truth remains these guys become highly ineffective when they lose their skating advantage

that one step of speed lose kills the career of these under sized agitators. its an ugly fall off the face of the cliff. one season they score their career best numbers... 2 seasons later they are struggling to keep up with 4th line duty.

you either need size or superior skill to stay effective much past 31-32. these undersized physical pests who dont have yzerman or sakic or datsyuk level creativity... dont age well.

a 6-7 year contract might be a disaster. unfortunately, we dont figure to be competitive the first 2-3 years when marchand is worth the money... and then once we are competitive he probably will be like callahan or brown or morrow and a cap killer for us. the best thing for everyone probably is to let marchand go to a current cup contender

The examples you came up with where not accurate at all IMO.

Claude Lemieux? Guy was 6'1", 215. He just looked smaller when he was turtling from Neely.

Avery? He wishes he was as talented as Marchand.

Morrow, Callahan, and Brown played more like power forwards than agitators. Morrow scored 33 goals at the age of 32 and played a much more physical game than Marchand (give and take). Is there supposed to be a cautionary tale there because I see the opposite. Brown scored 33 at 23, then 28 at 26 and it was downhill every year after that. Callahan never score 30 (29 at age 26 was his high).

I just don't see the similarities between Marchand and the guys you rolled out. I'm not sure he gets 37 again, but I could see 30-33 for the next 3-4 years.

 

[BruinDust]

7 x 6.5 please.

Really bad timing for this 37 goal season, hope we don't overpay.

When Benn is getting 9.5 million per, not a chance your getting Marchand at 6.5 per.

If it's anything less than 7 I'll be shocked.

And I don't doubt Marchand and his camp are hoping a strong World Cup doesn't boost his stock even more.