Bouchard gets the record for most assists by a defenseman in a playoff run.

[Oilslick941611]

Glad Duncan Keith could impart his wisdom

Keith still has contact with the team. He was talking the team before game 4 and has the oilers prospects over to his lake house before the bc tournament

 

[S E P H]

There must be some mistake, I was told this guy sucks?

He does suck, playing against worse trash competition in the first three rounds will make anybody look good though.

 

[jetsforever]

This is so weird

 

[TheNumber4]

Told ya’ll he was better than Hughes. And Heiskanen. And now this Forsling fella. Laugh-like me now, laugh-like me now.

Said a year ago he had a generational clapper. He showed early this season that he had generational vision too. This guys the real deal. You don’t break records like that without being legit.

When it’s all said and done. He will be known as an ALL TIME GREAT.

 

[VainGretzky]

Some real Rob Brown vibes.

There’s a real talent but it’s obviously enhanced with McD. No way to tell how much.

Nah the Rob Brown vibes all belong to Hughes

 

[ruaware41]

Fun fact:

Mike Green had 38 playoff points in his 76 game postseason career playing with arguably the best goalscorer in the history of the sport

Evan Bouchard has 32 playoff points *this run*

the comparison wasn’t meant as a slight or to say they’re on the same level. idk why a lot of you guys seem to take everything as a slight. Green also had multiple ppg or close to ppg seasons and was one of the archetypes for very productive defencemen. I meant it in so far as they are similar in that both are highly productive defencemen who based on the eye test often leave more to be desired defensively.

 

[Ol' Jase]

He does suck, playing against worse trash competition in the first three rounds will make anybody look good though.

Amazing. Cling to the ledge, my dude.

 

[Ol' Jase]

Some real Rob Brown vibes.

There’s a real talent but it’s obviously enhanced with McD. No way to tell how much.

I’ll start and end this incredibly idiotic comparison by pointing out that Rob Brown wasn’t a defenseman.

 

[604]

I’ll start and end this incredibly idiotic comparison by pointing out that Rob Brown wasn’t a defenseman.

That’s some real in depth stuff.

Rob Brown was obviously a very talented player who could generate a ton of offence but was a PPG+ guy with Lemieux and more of a 40 point guy without him.

Lemieux controlling the pace of play allowed Brown to do his thing (to the tune of 50 goals and 100+ points in a season).

Same way McDavid gains the zone and draws so much coverage down low which allows Bouchard to use his smarts to find open spaces and unleash his very effective shot + puck movement.

Not saying anyone could do what Bouchard is doing, in fact you could see where a lot of McDavid’s skills would take up the same space as Q. Hughes and Hughes doesn’t have the shot to effectively use the space that McDavid creates.

 

[Ol' Jase]

That’s some real in depth stuff.

Rob Brown was obviously a very talented player who could generate a ton of offence but was a PPG+ guy with Lemieux and more of a 40 point guy without him.

Lemieux controlling the pace of play allowed Brown to do his thing (to the tune of 50 goals and 100+ points in a season).

Same way McDavid gains the zone and draws so much coverage down low which allows Bouchard to use his smarts to find open spaces and unleash his very effective shot + puck movement.

Not saying anyone could do what Bouchard is doing, in fact you could see where a lot of McDavid’s skills would take up the same space as Q. Hughes and Hughes doesn’t have the shot to effectively use the space that McDavid creates.

Once again, not sure you realize this or not, but Rob Brown wasn’t a defenseman.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Some real Rob Brown vibes.

There’s a real talent but it’s obviously enhanced with McD. No way to tell how much.

I thought Draisaitl was the Rob Brown?

 

[ijuka]

Some real Rob Brown vibes.

There’s a real talent but it’s obviously enhanced with McD. No way to tell how much.

There's a way, but it won't fit your narrative, so you'll ignore it.

Oh, and. Do you think Paul Coffey benefited from playing with Gretzky? Guess not.

 

[604]

There's a way, but it won't fit your narrative, so you'll ignore it.

Oh, and. Do you think Paul Coffey benefited from playing with Gretzky? Guess not.

Don’t be afraid to actually say something rather than being snippy.

Seems like you’ve made two assumptions about how I think and haven’t said anything else.

For sure Coffee benefitted from playing with Gretzky then he benefitted from playing with Lemieux.

But good job trying to score points by telling me how I certainly feel.

 

[ijuka]

Don’t be afraid to actually say something rather than being snippy.

Seems like you’ve made two assumptions about how I think and haven’t said anything else.

For sure Coffee benefitted from playing with Gretzky then he benefitted from playing with Lemieux.

But good job trying to score points by telling me how I certainly feel.

You can look at the performance of Bouchard while on the ice with McDavid and while not on the ice with McDavid. You can also look at the performance of McDavid while on the ice with Bouchard and while not on the ice with Bouchard. That way, you can see how they influence one another.

And yes, I'm snappy because I'm pretty tired of the narrative that anytime any Oiler does anything positive, it's never due to himself but because of McDavid. Perhaps you could watch them play sometimes so you'd see what Bouchard actually does on the ice, in case that might help.

 

[604]

You can look at the performance of Bouchard while on the ice with McDavid and while not on the ice with McDavid. You can also look at the performance of McDavid while on the ice with Bouchard and while not on the ice with Bouchard. That way, you can see how they influence one another.

And yes, I'm snappy because I'm pretty tired of the narrative that anytime any Oiler does anything positive, it's never due to himself but because of McDavid. Perhaps you could watch them play sometimes so you'd see what Bouchard actually does on the ice, in case that might help.

So you’ve clearly done this.

What does it look like (the stats thing), I’ve seen Bouchard play lots.

 

[ijuka]

I think Coffey really helped Bouchard break out

And imagine if they listened to Coffey and actually drafted Wyatt Johnston who Coffey would have wanted with pick number 22. Instead, they picked Xavier Bourgault, whose most noteworthy attribute is that his name begins with X.

Coffey was Wyatt Johnston's coach so he had insider knowledge on how good he was in spite of missing the OHL season, yet they still didn't listen to him.

 

[604]

And imagine if they listened to Coffey and actually drafted Wyatt Johnston who Coffey would have wanted with pick number 22. Instead, they picked Xavier Bourgault, whose most noteworthy attribute is that his name begins with X.

Coffey was Wyatt Johnston's coach so he had insider knowledge on how good he was in spite of missing the OHL season, yet they still didn't listen to him.

Didn’t you basically imply that there was an easy way to know how good Bouchard was without McDavid, then go and say that it’s easy to figure it out?

 

[Buck Naked]

So you’ve clearly done this.

What does it look like (the stats thing), I’ve seen Bouchard play lots.

5v5 over the last two regular seasons:

Bouchard and McDavid together
GF%: 61.90
xGF%: 62.57

Bouchard w/o McDavid
GF%: 53.91
xGF%: 57.13

McDavid w/o Bouchard
GF%: 54.01
xGF%: 56.86

They both obviously benefit from playing with eachother, just like all good players, but carries themselves really well with other players on the ice as well.

 

[Pucklington]

Didn’t you basically imply that there was an easy way to know how good Bouchard was without McDavid, then go and say that it’s easy to figure it out?

Now you’re saying that the info isn’t readily available…so you really done know?!?

How good is Makar w/o MacKinnon?

 

[604]

5v5 over the last two regular seasons:

Bouchard and McDavid together
GF%: 61.90
xGF%: 62.57

Bouchard w/o McDavid
GF%: 53.91
xGF%: 57.13

McDavid w/o Bouchard
GF%: 54.01
xGF%: 56.86

They both obviously benefit from playing with eachother, just like all good players, but carries themselves really well with other players on the ice as well.

That’s a pretty massive jump, do you think it’s situational (maybe they play a lot of minutes together when they’re chasing the game or something like that)?

I’m surprised that McDavid isn’t better than 57% without Bouchard.

How good is Makar w/o MacKinnon?

No idea. Don’t see Colorado that much.

 

[Buck Naked]

That’s a pretty massive jump, do you think it’s situational (maybe they play a lot of minutes together when they’re chasing the game or something like that)?

I’m surprised that McDavid isn’t better than 57% without Bouchard.

I think it's as simple as good players usually play better together. Even the best ones. Some statistically fall off cliffs when separated because they are more dependant on their elite teammates, some are able to maintain that high level. Bouchard is one of the latter.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Some real Rob Brown vibes.

There’s a real talent but it’s obviously enhanced with McD. No way to tell how much.

You know Rob Brown was a winger right?

You know bouchard plays defense?

 

[LeProspector]

Definitely one of the defenceman of all time.

 

[Buck Naked]

No idea. Don’t see Colorado that much.

Using the same way of measurement you get a very different result.

5v5 over the last two regular seasons:

Makar and MacKinnon together
GF%: 60.00
xGF%: 55.88

Makar w/o MacKinnon
GF%: 44.93
xGF%: 51.91

MacKinnon w/o Makar
GF%: 62.04
xGF%: 53.92

 

[The Panther]

That’s some real in depth stuff.

Rob Brown was obviously a very talented player who could generate a ton of offence but was a PPG+ guy with Lemieux and more of a 40 point guy without him.

That's being a bit hard on Brown. In the WHL, Rob Brown outscored guys like Theoren Fleury, and Brown scored at around a 70-point pace with Hartford for a couple of seasons before his party-boy lifestyle and the size-fetish era did him in.

Anyway, lost in all the statistical kerfuffle over McDavid and Bouchard's point totals this playoffs is the fact that Zach Hyman -- who was drafted 123rd overall -- is one goal away from
70 goals
this NHL season (RS + playoffs).