Rumor: Bo Horvat All Purpose Thread (Part 1)

[innitfam]

Ceulemans and Sillinger for Horvat? Let's say picks from CBJ side.

Would Vancouver need to add? If so, what?

 

[quat]

Funny how the narrative is “Gaudreau is a consistent scorer but Miller isn’t” when JG is the one who seems to routinely bounce between being a 60 point winger and a 100 point winger depending on the season.

Miller’s production on the other hand has been very consistent for 4 seasons now.

Yes, but JG has proven he can play like that around the league while JT Miller has only shown he can do that in Vancouver. Come on man, try and keep up.

 

[Cancuks]

Yes, but JG has proven he can play like that around the league while JT Miller has only shown he can do that in Vancouver. Come on man, try and keep up.

How? Gaudreau has played 16 games in Columbus and not even PPG.

 

[innitfam]

Yes, but JG has proven he can play like that around the league while JT Miller has only shown he can do that in Vancouver. Come on man, try and keep up.

Gaudreau has only ever played for Calgary and Columbus...

 

[Viqsi]

That’s fair.
Not sure why jarmo doesn’t sign long term - he seems like a core piece.

He should be, but it's possible we don't get the opportunity. That's really the only reason he's being talked about at all.

 

[Love]

Yes, but JG has proven he can play like that around the league while JT Miller has only shown he can do that in Vancouver. Come on man, try and keep up.

I think this is a joke but not sure

 

[Breakers]

I’ve never heard of somebody refer to a player with 4 plus seasons and 200+ plus games as a “prospect”

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Joining the party to this thread late -

If a deal between these two teams are for Horvat - could Cuelemans and Peeke work as base line. How much more would need to be added on either side to make a move like this work?

My assumption would be that Horvat would resign long term.

Imagine - Jiricek, ‘23 1st, Johnson, Sillinger are not involved in any of the deals.

Ideal trade return for Canucks would be
Peeke
Gavrikov (resigned)
Cuelemans
For
Horvat (resigned)
+ (?)

What would that plus have to be?

Peeke+Gavrikov+Cuelemans is easily beaten. There's like 6-8 teams that're heavily pursuing Horvat. There's no way you're getting Horvat extended for that trade.

 

[majormajor]

Joining the party to this thread late -

If a deal between these two teams are for Horvat - could Cuelemans and Peeke work as base line. How much more would need to be added on either side to make a move like this work?

My assumption would be that Horvat would resign long term.

Imagine - Jiricek, ‘23 1st, Johnson, Sillinger are not involved in any of the deals.

Ideal trade return for Canucks would be
Peeke
Gavrikov (resigned)
Cuelemans
For
Horvat (resigned)
+ (?)

What would that plus have to be?

Maybe a couple of those D could be sent to Vancouver. All three actually sets back Columbus' organizational depth at D a lot.

That’s fair.
Not sure why jarmo doesn’t sign long term - he seems like a core piece.

So, Peeke and Cuelemans + 2024 1st?
For Horvat (resigned) maybe a 2024 3rd ?

Does that seem fair for both sides?

I don't think any more 1sts should be involved if 2 players / prospects with mid 1st valuations are also going. Horvat is probably worth a couple mid 1sts, but probably not worth three mid 1sts.

Peeke+Gavrikov+Cuelemans is easily beaten. There's like 6-8 teams that're heavily pursuing Horvat. There's no way you're getting Horvat extended for that trade.

Two top 4D + another likely top 4D? Basically the value of three middle pair D-men? Is Horvat an elite 1C all of a sudden? I wouldn't want a team I root for to top that offer.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Horvat (re-signed)
Myers (50% retained)
Podkolzin

for

Johnson
Ceulemans
Gavrikov
Voracek

The hell is this?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Maybe a couple of those D could be sent to Vancouver. All three actually sets back Columbus' organizational depth at D a lot.



I don't think any more 1sts should be involved if 2 players / prospects with mid 1st valuations are also going. Horvat is probably worth a couple mid 1sts, but probably not worth three mid 1sts.



Two top 4D + another likely top 4D? Basically the value of three middle pair D-men? Is Horvat an elite 1C all of a sudden? I wouldn't want a team I root for to top that offer.

You honestly think that Allvin/Rutherford are strictly looking for D? They will want a C replacement for Horvat as well. I'm sorry there's no way 3 Dmen are going to cut it.

Not saying it would happen.

But what if Yzerman were willing to give up Kasper+Wallinder+Berggren/Zadina+Detroit's 2023 1st round pick (top 10 protected) That would easily trump that Columbus offer. And that very offer from Detroit has been floating around for a few months.

 

[majormajor]

You honestly think that Allvin/Rutherford are strictly looking for D? They will want a C replacement for Horvat as well. I'm sorry there's no way 3 Dmen are going to cut it.

Not saying it would happen.

But what if Yzerman were willing to give up Kasper+Wallinder+Berggren/Zadina+Detroit's 2023 1st round pick (top 10 protected) That would easily trump that Columbus offer. And that very offer from Detroit has been floating around for a few months.

I think it's a bigger problem for Columbus to lose that many D. Impractical offer from their end. Looking at Vancouver’s D depth I would actually deeply consider that offer. That could be your #2, #3, and #4D in a couple years.

Hughes - Peeke
Gavrikov - Ceulemans

Yeah if Detroit was willing to offer the package you listed, they'd get Horvat for sure. I'm sure Colorado would get him too if they offered Makar. Not sure what that proves. Your offer is an obscene overvaluation of Horvat.

 

[SoupNazi]

But what if Yzerman were willing to give up Kasper+Wallinder+Berggren/Zadina+Detroit's 2023 1st round pick (top 10 protected) That would easily trump that Columbus offer. And that very offer from Detroit has been floating around for a few months.

Show your source, or quit making things up.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Show your source, or quit making things up.

This guy never has a clue

 

[AHLdepth]

Show your source, or quit making things up.

Dude, he's the number 1 Red Wing fan, you think that doesn't come with perks for him?

 

[Youngguns1380]

Horvat (re-signed)
Myers (50% retained)
Podkolzin

for

Johnson
Ceulemans
Gavrikov
Voracek

Definitely not

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Seravalli is a royal joke, Jarmo Kekalainen would need to deal Jakub Voracek somewhere just to afford to sign Bo Horvat for 8x8. And no sane GM is taking on that contract without it being very painful for Jarmo.

 

[Youngguns1380]

Seravalli is a royal joke, Jarmo Kekalainen would need to deal Jakub Voracek somewhere just to afford to sign Bo Horvat for 8x8. And no sane GM is taking on that contract without it being very painful for Jarmo.

False - Gus Nyquist’s $5.5 is off the books after this year.

 

[Phrasing]

Miller PTSD. This is going to be annoying.

If we learned anything from the Miller saga, it’s that nothing is as it seems when these “insiders” spill the beans.

 

[SI]

There is an obvious need at C for Columbus and BO would fill that need.

If Jarmo does acquire Bo, it’s not as a rental there would have to be an extension in place.

Vancouver needs D.

Horvat with extension
2024 3rd
For
Peeke
Cuelemans
2024 1st

Columbus gets their 1C and keeps their young prospects as well as their 23 1st

 

[BlueSeal]

You can stop right there. Literally nothing in the Canucks organization or system would get you Jiricek. Literally nothing. He is the single most important prospect we have aside from maybe KJ.

It shouldn’t but we’ve heard this story before albeit with different names on different teams. Question is how much more do you get if he is part of the deal and he absolutely shouldn’t be.

 

[SoupNazi]

False - Gus Nyquist’s $5.5 is off the books after this year.

Shhh...never let the cold hard facts get in the way of a good narrative.

 

[me2]

I'm struggling to see any deal with Columbus t that makes sense. They really don't have anything available that would get Horvat. They won't trade the pieces that would (1st, jiricek) and can't trade 3 top D because it would gut the D. I also don't see why Horvat would re-sign with them either.

I don't get the Vancouver-Columbus talk. I don't see a good fit just because Columbus desperately needs a C and Vancouver is trading one doesn't make it a fit.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I think Vancouver only trades Horvat if there’s an overpayment or his ask is so ridiculously high.

 

[majormajor]

There is an obvious need at C for Columbus and BO would fill that need.

If Jarmo does acquire Bo, it’s not as a rental there would have to be an extension in place.

Vancouver needs D.

Horvat with extension
2024 3rd
For
Peeke
Cuelemans
2024 1st

Columbus gets their 1C and keeps their young prospects as well as their 23 1st

I'll hold firm that 3 mid-1st equivalents is too much value for Horvat. He's maybe worth a bit more than 2 mid 1sts.

Columbus can afford to do your offer but it ain't fair value.