Blues Trade Proposals Part 4

[Alklha]

Josh Bailey was drafted the same year as Pietro, so we are talking a young player that was probably rushed. He may benefit from getting away from the stigma of 1st round pick pressure, much like Wickenheiser did. He does play a complete game and works hard. Lack of linemates and abundance of centers hasn't done him any favors either. He is two years younger than Perron. At least worth taking a flyer on. Good size and skill level. Maybe you pick a different puzzle piece from the Islanders as I think they should give up more for MacDonald, but the key piece is MacDonald. Just need someone to play their position solidly and log the minutes. He can do this. Cole has played well recently, but I would like an upgrade. I still like the thought of having 6 solid guys in Pietro, Shatty, MacDonald, Cole, Jackman, and Polak. I feel much better with that core.

You can't point to our record in the faceoff circle and then ignore the fact that Bailey is not any better than Alex Steen. He does have an all round game, but he would not be playing C in St. Louis when everyone was healthy. It is just a massive downgrade from Perron on LW.

MacDonald is the main piece coming back, but he is far from a sure thing. He is not an automatic top pairing guy on a playoff team, the only way he works in that role is if he perfectly compliments Pietrangelo here. That is not a risk we can afford to take with an asset like Perron. Plus, I think he goes to UFA next summer. I'm not sure you go from being massively underpaid for the last 3 years of your contract to taking a discount on your true value o your next deal.

Perron for Kulikov, or similar, makes a lot more sense.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Would you do David Perron and a 3rd for NYI C Josh Bailey and D Andrew McDonald? Discussing on another forum. Give us someone to be a #2 with Petro inexpensive and a true 2-way center who is a former #1 pick still 22 with 3 years of NHL experience.

The Islanders ruined Bailey's development. He is a failed prospect because he was rushed to the NHL simple as that. MacDonald is good and I wouldn't mind going after him, but his value is nowhere near Perron's. His current role is above his ability because he is on a bad team. He is a 2nd pairing that doesn't play physical, so he is just good enough to get the job done.

All in all, we are moving our 1st line LW for someone who would not be a top 9 center on our team when everyone is healthy and someone who is good enough to get the job done, but isn't ideal.

Bailey is worth a mid prospect and maybe a mid pick or something like a D'Agostini. MacDonald is a prospect lower than Rattie and Jaskin and an earlyish pick.

 

[bleedblue1223]

My personal speculation if we believe some of the reports out there are this.

We are after defense more, but we are also after a forward. I think this means the defender will take more time to line up, and will be younger with a bigger impact.

We are after Briere to play on the wing, not center, so a roster forward would be used to get that defender. I believe Briere currently plays on the right wing, but I think he can play both.

This opens up a couple possibilities. I'd imagine a roster forward of value could be moved for a defender of similar ability/potential/age. The likely names IMO would be Stewart and Perron. Briere can replace them the rest of the season, and Schwartz will be ready for a bigger role next season. Maybe Rattie or Jaskin could be ready for a role next season as well.

I think Schwartz's cost controlled years are too important and I don't think his value is high enough to get the player we need. He would just get another player to put in a similar situation, a young player on the top pairing.

I think Oshie's 2 way game is too important to the teams success and he brings a physical aspect to the game.

So, Briere can immediately replace Perron or Stewart, who will be moved to get a legit partner for Pietrangelo. Just depends on who is available.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Imagine if Army can work his magic and get Kulikov in a deal centered around Stewart. Florida fans wanted a right winger, Stewart is getting back to what he is capable of, and he is one of our 2 valuable wingers that is not a perfect fit.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

I would hate to trade Stewart right now, but for Kulikov, I guess I would do it.

I think Stewart is a better fit than some people make out to be. He's playing defense this year and he's one of the few guys who's been hitting on a regular basis.

 

[SirPaste]

I would hate to trade Stewart right now, but for Kulikov, I guess I would do it.

I think Stewart is a better fit than some people make out to be. He's playing defense this year and he's one of the few guys who's been hitting on a regular basis.

With you on this, dont want to move Stewart but if we are getting Kulikov, its a slam dunk IMO

 

[bleedblue1223]

I would hate to trade Stewart right now, but for Kulikov, I guess I would do it.

I think Stewart is a better fit than some people make out to be. He's playing defense this year and he's one of the few guys who's been hitting on a regular basis.

I agree, I just brought him up because Florida apparently wants a right winger. Oshie won't be moved, Tarasenko won't be moved, and I don't think Rattie or Jaskin could get Kulikov.

Hell if a package around Rattie or Jaskin could get him, especially Rattie, then obviously that would be preferred.

 

[Alklha]

I would hate to trade Stewart right now, but for Kulikov, I guess I would do it.

I think Stewart is a better fit than some people make out to be. He's playing defense this year and he's one of the few guys who's been hitting on a regular basis.

Stewart on his game is a very good fit. I think he'll always be a bit of a streaky goalscorer, that goes with the territory, but if the rest of his game is there almost every game then he is great here.

It will take more than 20 games to convince me though, and with Jaškin looking very promising...

 

[Oberyn]

How do you guys feel about Perron+ for B. Schenn? I think he could be the number 1 center we've been looking for.

 

[bleedblue1223]

How do you guys feel about Perron+ for B. Schenn? I think he could be the number 1 center we've been looking for.

Not realistic, so no point in really discussing it IMO. Schenn is in Philly to stay.

 

[Alklha]

How do you guys feel about Perron+ for B. Schenn? I think he could be the number 1 center we've been looking for.

I don't see that happening. He has been playing great for the Flyers, and they have acquired his brother as well which has to give them hope of getting a bit of a discount on future contracts.

 

[Halak Ness Monster]

With you on this, dont want to move Stewart but if we are getting Kulikov, its a slam dunk IMO

Agree that it would be extremely tough to move Stewart since he is finally getting "it" under Hitchcock. But for Kulikov, I can't say no. We really need him.

I would try Perron and Schmaltz for Kulikov.

It's going to take a lot. Kulikov is their 21 year old #1 d-man. But perhaps they have to move him for contract reasons soon.

 

[bleedblue1223]

How bout we keep our crazy ideas in here from now on. Everyone agree?

 

[Hooliganx3]

How bout we keep our crazy ideas in here from now on. Everyone agree?

I agree 100% we seem to have some fans in panic mode that seem to not be thinking logically.

 

[TheOrganist]

I was at the game and really focused on Stewart. There is no doubt he's working harder than last year and when he's working hard and has the physical tools that he has he will be a decent player. But he will never be a smart hockey player. And it really comes into focus when he plays against smart teams like Chicago. The amount of times he over-handled the puck inside the defensive zone or when he had a chance for an easy exit or when he didn't make the simple play and get a puck deep when they were trying to complete a change or when he had no on-ice recognition that a Hawk was on his tail and had his stick lifted were countless last night.

He just doesn't have any detail in his game. That's probably the best way to describe it. I really don't see him getting any better. He doesn't have the mind that will allow him to take his game to another level on a consistent basis. He will show flashes because of his physical gifts combined with improved training and work ethic but that can only take you so far as a player.

Perron got rewarded with a 4 year deal for a reason. For all his faults, there are very few players like him in the league who create offense nearly every shift.

I think management would trade Stewart over Perron in a second if they had a choice between those two players as the centerpiece of a deal for a defenseman.

 

[BlueDream]

How bout we keep our crazy ideas in here from now on. Everyone agree?

Yes. It's a joke that a thread about Shattenkirk was even started in the main trade forum.

 

[Alklha]

Just a note for the guys that don't venture into the Lehterä thread... under the new CBA, Lehterä would be eligible to play for the Blues this season if we could get him signed and his KHL contract is dealt with. His season in Siberia could end as soon as this Sunday.

Interesting...

For all the question marks about his game, he is a 55%+ faceoff guy in the KHL and this would be a perfect chance to see what we have.

 

[Honeycutt]

Yes. It's a joke that a thread about Shattenkirk was even started in the main trade forum.

If you don't understand the idea of the Blues being a budget team, just ask. This team will not go anywhere if we have 15 million tied up in the right side of the defense and less than 10 million in the left. The LA series showed us last year that not having a left handed number two exposes Petro. It would suck to lose shatty but the blues can not be paying 5 million on a second pairing player when they have a gapping hole on the left side.

 

[SirPaste]

Just a note for the guys that don't venture into the Lehterä thread... under the new CBA, Lehterä would be eligible to play for the Blues this season if we could get him signed and his KHL contract is dealt with. His season in Siberia could end as soon as this Sunday.

Interesting...

For all the question marks about his game, he is a 55%+ faceoff guy in the KHL and this would be a perfect chance to see what we have.

That is interesting, Ive still never seen Lehtera play so Its hard for me to judge if he would be able to slot in the NHL this season, but definitely something to keep an eye on.

 

[SirPaste]

If you don't understand the idea of the Blues being a budget team, just ask. This team will not go anywhere if we have 15 million tied up in the right side of the defense and less than 10 million in the left. The LA series showed us last year that not having a left handed number two exposes Petro. It would suck to lose shatty but the blues can not be paying 5 million on a second pairing player when they have a gapping hole on the left side.

He plays the second most minutes of any dman, its not like hes your typical 2nd pairing dman, not to mention he is a very important part of this team. Everybody here knows we are a budget team, just nobody agrees with your argument.

 

[Honeycutt]

He plays the second most minutes of any dman, its not like hes your typical 2nd pairing dman, not to mention he is a very important part of this team. Everybody here knows we are a budget team, just nobody agrees with your argument.

He still playes on the second pairing. We need someone to play on the top pairing to otherwise we will continue to have Cole/redden type players going up against the other teams top lines. And look how well that has been working out for us.

 

[SirPaste]

He still playes on the second pairing. We need someone to play on the top pairing to otherwise we will continue to have Cole/redden type players going up against the other teams top lines. And look how well that has been working out for us.

Cole has been fine IMO, Its Petro who needs to step his game up. Redden on the other hand.....

 

[Honeycutt]

Cole has been fine IMO, Its Petro who needs to step his game up. Redden on the other hand.....

Define "fine". Cole is miscast playing with Petro.

 

[SirPaste]

Define "fine". Cole is miscast playing with Petro.

Obviously its not his ideal spot but he hasn't looked out of place at all.

 

[Alklha]

He still playes on the second pairing. We need someone to play on the top pairing to otherwise we will continue to have Cole/redden type players going up against the other teams top lines. And look how well that has been working out for us.

We managed fine with Pronger and MacInnis...