Edmonton would want way more than the Blues would be willing to give up. Gagner is small, often injured and his contract is up at the end of the year. There is very little chance the Blues would try to get him.
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Edmonton would want way more than the Blues would be willing to give up. Gagner is small, often injured and his contract is up at the end of the year. There is very little chance the Blues would try to get him.
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Oh don't worry I knew exactly what you meant. I'm just really bored today so i've been looking for stuff to do.
That ship has sailed. We might have been able to pick him up at a modest cost in the summer, but his price will be pretty significant now considering his performance.
I don't think he'd be a good fit here anyway.
Sums up my feelings on the matter. I understand if Philly want more, and they might get it from someone else, but from our point of view Brière fills a short term need. Next season, we'll have Jaškin and Rattie in Peoria and we'll be able to cope with injuries. This season we don't have any real depth outside of our roster.
Leafs, Jets and Panthers are at least 3 teams he has seen multiple times. I think I read he has watched the Jets 4 times in recent weeks.
HockeyGuy73
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Man I would love Simmonds in a Bluenote, I dont see him leaving Philly anytime soon though.
PocketNines
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In chat today, JR said he got the feeling from Armstrong that defense is the priority over offense, and they're still ideally targeting a #2 dman. If that happens, you're going to have to pay that player too. Quality costs. Even with impending RFAs to pay. Would love if it were Kulikov. Realistically, to get him you're having to offer an established winger (Perron, Steen, Stewart) + top prospect (Rattie). If we're dealing with Florida might as well add Weiss for a 2d.
On the Briere thing, there isn't too huge a value difference between Schmaltz alone and Schmaltz plus 2d. 2ds are valuable, yeah, but the Blues have blown a lot of 2ds lately and it hasn't hurt them. Plus the Blues do have a spare one. It would be great if the Flyers would take Schmaltz alone, or if they'd take a 4th. Either way, Schmaltz + 2d is not some huge value package. While the market will be small, Boston is one of the teams who'd likely have interest so it can't be a complete lowball take it or leave it thing.
Affording Briere, I think it'd be a given that McDonald would be gone after the year. Put it this way, if McDonald were willing to sign a 2 year, 5M contract at the end of this year, the Blues probably (though not automatically) would do that, right? Maybe the Blues would feel more comfortable with Briere's health and playoff impact (which is a huge deal for a team needing to win rounds for revenue sake).
Some of the RFA raises are overstated. Stewart and Berglund combined are going to see maybe 2.6M raise over this year, if you guess a ballpark of 4M per for each of them. Shattenkirk probably starts off at 4M (and his salary gradually increases) and Petro probably starts off with a 6.something. It's signing the two defensemen that'll really determine what the Blues can afford. As they enter this contender window, they need to pay for their own salary increases with deeper playoff runs, or else the team will have to sell off some of the more expensive contracts.
On the Briere thing, there isn't too huge a value difference between Schmaltz alone and Schmaltz plus 2d. 2ds are valuable, yeah, but the Blues have blown a lot of 2ds lately and it hasn't hurt them. Plus the Blues do have a spare one. It would be great if the Flyers would take Schmaltz alone, or if they'd take a 4th. Either way, Schmaltz + 2d is not some huge value package. While the market will be small, Boston is one of the teams who'd likely have interest so it can't be a complete lowball take it or leave it thing.
Affording Briere, I think it'd be a given that McDonald would be gone after the year. Put it this way, if McDonald were willing to sign a 2 year, 5M contract at the end of this year, the Blues probably (though not automatically) would do that, right? Maybe the Blues would feel more comfortable with Briere's health and playoff impact (which is a huge deal for a team needing to win rounds for revenue sake).
Some of the RFA raises are overstated. Stewart and Berglund combined are going to see maybe 2.6M raise over this year, if you guess a ballpark of 4M per for each of them. Shattenkirk probably starts off at 4M (and his salary gradually increases) and Petro probably starts off with a 6.something. It's signing the two defensemen that'll really determine what the Blues can afford. As they enter this contender window, they need to pay for their own salary increases with deeper playoff runs, or else the team will have to sell off some of the more expensive contracts.
Yeah JR's chat was good and Armstrong's interview with Miklasz on 101ESPN today was also pretty good.
Along with defense Rutherford said he thinks the Blues also might be looking for more grit up front. And then Armstrong on the radio did make a quote saying he wants the Blues to play more physical and be tougher to play against, and play within the rules, but go right up along the edge. And "if someone wants to ring the bell, we'll answer it." It was really a great quote. I love listening to Armstrong, he's awesome.
And he did mention Shattenkirk, Stewart, Petro, and Berglund as the priorities. Didn't mention any of the other FA's by name.
He also had good things to say about Chris Porter.
He's not going to show his hand, but overall I think the interview boded pretty well for Chris Stewart. I think he'll stay here. From the sounds of it the Blues want to add some grit, not lose any.
Along with defense Rutherford said he thinks the Blues also might be looking for more grit up front. And then Armstrong on the radio did make a quote saying he wants the Blues to play more physical and be tougher to play against, and play within the rules, but go right up along the edge. And "if someone wants to ring the bell, we'll answer it." It was really a great quote. I love listening to Armstrong, he's awesome.
And he did mention Shattenkirk, Stewart, Petro, and Berglund as the priorities. Didn't mention any of the other FA's by name.
He also had good things to say about Chris Porter.
He's not going to show his hand, but overall I think the interview boded pretty well for Chris Stewart. I think he'll stay here. From the sounds of it the Blues want to add some grit, not lose any.
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The Leafs from what I have read are soon going to have a logjam on D. We might be able to pick up someone from them, but I'm not really sure who/for how much. I just remember reading the other day that they have a plethora of D-men, so many so that Jake Gardiner (Who had a solid season last year) is languishing in the AHL....he might be hurt though, I don't follow the Leafs as much as other teams.
The Jets we have talked about a bunch, so I'm not going to delve into that team, but we haven't talked much about the Panthers. Brian Campbell is a great player that we could never afford, so he's out. Kuba and Jovo are more expensive versions of Redden, so I don't see us taking a run at either of them. I don't see the Panther's looking to trade Gudbranson or Kulikov, and I'm not sure I would want either of them in all truth. Both would be expensive to acquire, and I'm not sure either will really pan out into the XXX guy P9's described and I agree we need. I've watched Kulikov play, and he SCREAMS EJ-clone to me. Absolute tons of potential, amazing athleticism, can take your breath away..........complete lack of hockey sense. I understand he's young, but I just see way too many correlations b/t what I remember from EJ around the same time in his development.
This leads us to Mike Weaver and Tyson Strachen, two guys from our team. Neither of them really fills the XXX void we need, but I wouldn't mind seeing Weaver come back here for the right price.
As for offense, not a single player on Florida interests me, with the exception of Huberdeau, whom we will never get. Weiss looks absolutely atrocious out there, I would stay away from him at all costs.
RW seems to be what the Panthers are after. I seen one of their threads a few days ago suggesting Perron for Kulikov, but the assumption there was he was RW.
The only way Brière makes any sense at all is if we see him as a centre on this team, there is no point in signing him if we see him as a winger. I just don't see him as a C.
We are currently spending over $32m next season on 12 players, add Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Berglund and Stewart and we are at about $50m with 16 players. $3m isn't insignificant, especially on a position where we have plenty of depth.
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Ewww O'Reilly signed an offer sheet with Calgary.
The last team in the West I would ever sign with.
The last team in the West I would ever sign with.
I agree with the sentiment about Calgary; their management is beyond stupid.
However, they threw crazy money at him. $2.5m up front, and $6.5m next season?! Then he becomes an UFA unless they pay him $6.5m again in 2014/15. It is a deal that is close to impossible to pass on from a players point of view
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I watch a lot of Leafs games, and I noticed this as well. I'm not sure I'd want Liles because of his contract, but Gunnarsson would be a solid pickup (and he's an RFA this summer, so Toronto has a decision to make).
The Florida d-men don't interest me. Like you said, they're either not what we need, or they're going to cost more than we want to pay. I'm wondering if Army would have considered Keaton Ellerby before his trade to LA.
As far as the Florida forwards, I've always been a big fan of Shawn Matthias. He's young (25), big (6'4") and can play C or LW in the bottom 6. If we want to slide Steen over to wing, I think he'd be a great fit at C in our system. And he's also an RFA this summer.
What are your thoughts on a package of Perron for C Josh Bailey and D Andrew MacDonald with the NYIs? Discussing with a few others. Also threw out Cole and Schwartz for the two?
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I am firmly in the don't trade Perron camp. He has a -great- contract, has immense skill, and plays hard. I don't see us giving him up unless it's an absolute no-brainer, not to make lateral moves. Josh Baily and Andrew MacDonald are lateral moves at best.
Back to Florida for a second.....one thing they might be interested in is goaltending. Theodore is old, Clemmenson is bad, and Markstrom isn't ready. If we are looking to boost our forward lines with some grit, one player that might be interesting to us is Drew Shore. He played for Denver in college and was pretty successful there. He's a rookie this year with good size, 6' 3" and works hard from the little I've seen of him. I have no idea how the Panthers value him, but he plays Center too. Like I said, not sure how they value him, but if we're going after a forward not named Huberdeau, I would like to see us take a swing at Shore.
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I've never been impressed with Matthias. He is huge, and was drafted very high, but he's never been able to put it all together. What's worse, he seems to not understand how to use his size at all. He's constantly losing pucks and getting knocked to his knees. He's been in the league for a couple of years and expecting any sizable jump in progression from him is unwise. His best season was last year when he put up 10 goals and 24 points in 79 games. That's not the kind of production we need right now from our "Acquired Center," we need production that at least matches, and hopefully exceeds, Berglund.
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Ideally if Stillman nutted up and made the Blues a cap team.
Schmaltz + 2nd for Stastny
Perron for Kulikov
healthy
McDonald-Backes-Oshie
Steen-Stastny-Tarasenko
Schwartz-Berglund-Stewart
Sabotka-Nichol-Reaves
Kulikov-Pietrangelo
Jackman-Shattenkirk
Cole-Polak
but yeah we get to wallow above the cap floor and make trades for used up vets if anything.
Schmaltz + 2nd for Stastny
Perron for Kulikov
healthy
McDonald-Backes-Oshie
Steen-Stastny-Tarasenko
Schwartz-Berglund-Stewart
Sabotka-Nichol-Reaves
Kulikov-Pietrangelo
Jackman-Shattenkirk
Cole-Polak
but yeah we get to wallow above the cap floor and make trades for used up vets if anything.
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Perron reliably takes undisciplined offensive-zone penalties and is often not a team player on the ice. His selfishness with the puck that leads to wasted offensive chances and streaky play is why he's the talk of trades. I'm open to trading him for the right piece because I believe his immaturity is not something he will grow out of, but is more of his personality.
He's got a LOT of talent and very high upside, but without maturing he's never going to hit it.
Honestly, when I see him on the ice, he reminds me of the talent from Goon. He doesn't need to be sent down at all, but he needs to get over himself fast or we need to let some other team try to fix that.
Thallis
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He also has pretty high value and could get a very good return in a trade. We also have an excess of wingers which we could use to fill some of the holes on this team. Despite how much everyone around St. Louis over rates Perron, it makes pretty good sense to package him right now.
Perron took offensive zone penalties quite a bit to start the year. He really didn't until that point in his career, nor has he taken that many in the last 15 games or so. But because he took so many to start the year, any time he takes one now will be magnified.
Don't see how he is selfish. He backchecks and gives an effort every game. While true he likes stickhandling, I really don't think he does so in an attempt to show up teamates.
His point production is trending upward and he isn't even 25 yet. I feel like many people base opinions on Perron on his early dealing with Andy Murray and his "fancy" stickhandling skills, and can't objectively evaluate him to save their lives.
Objectively, he is one of the Blues best forwards who isn't a liability at all defensively and has creativity that very few players do.
We have such an excess of wingers that our team got shut out, looked like crap, and had all of one winger go down to injury to do so. I am sure that D'Agostini, Andrew Murray, and Cracknell can replace Perron though...
Perron isn't overrated in St. Louis. He is underrated because some idiots in town would rather glorify 3rd liners who hit and are "gritty" than appreciate skill that actually has a work ethic.
Thallis
No half measures
Also objectively, he tries to stick handle through 4 guys and loses the puck far too often. Being a selfish player doesn't have to be to show up his teammates. The fact that he continues to try that, resulting in the end of our puck possession is incredibly frustrating. As it stands he's been called out multiple times this year and still hasn't gotten the message.
Nobody is saying he's a bad player. That's actually why I'd like to trade him. We have holes that we need to fill, and of our wingers, he'd probably get one of the best returns and most interest.
