Blues Trade Proposals Part 4

[PocketNines]

Yandle would be on the higher end of what we could legitimately afford. After this year, there are three more years at an average of 5.5M. That's definitely on the high end for the Blues but there are ways to make it work. You have to ask yourself what do you reasonably expect to pay a guy who fits description XXX, i.e., at least a bonafide #2 defenseman.

Options:
– pay UFA price. Poor option, we saw what Suter and Matt freaking Carle got. Garrison's contract was a good deal for the Canucks but he wanted to go there specifically.
– get an established top pair guy on an ELC. We're talking about someone like a McDonagh or an OEL but even they are hitting RFA this offseason too, AND they'd cost a ton to acquire, certainly creating another big hole somewhere.
– get a debuting guy early in his ELC who projects as a top pairing guy ala a Gormley or Despres. This is how the Blues got Shattenkirk (certainly projected top four).
– get a guy like Yandle, Giordano or M.Staal who is somewhat expensive but is signed for multiple years and you know what kind of player you're getting. You will also have to pay a price to get one of these guys, but at least you don't have to pay UFA salary.

 

[achdumeingute]

The other thing that acquiring Briere does for the team, it makes them a lot more alert to Hitchcock's message. Suddenly, the idea that guys can get traded away becomes more of a reality. It also lets them know that management is going to get them help. Its a positive message while also being motivating.

from a flyer perspective Briere would be a great hockey fit for the Blues. However, i cant see Briere waiving his NMC to go to STL. Frankly, i dont think he waives for anyone.

I cant see us trading Grossmann, hes arguably our best defensive defenseman, blocks tons of shots, and is signed to a great deal.

Were i GM, Coburn would be on the block, but only as part of a deal where we get a young NHL ready PMD, none of which you want to deal. We dont need forwards.

I dont see us as good trading partners at this time.

 

[OCTA8ON*]

from a flyer perspective Briere would be a great hockey fit for the Blues. However, i cant see Briere waiving his NMC to go to STL. Frankly, i dont think he waives for anyone.

I cant see us trading Grossmann, hes arguably our best defensive defenseman, blocks tons of shots, and is signed to a great deal.

Were i GM, Coburn would be on the block, but only as part of a deal where we get a young NHL ready PMD, none of which you want to deal. We dont need forwards.

I dont see us as good trading partners at this time.

That's fine. Apparently, our GM does since he has been constantly scouting your games. I don't think he's watching just for fun.

 

[achdumeingute]

That's fine. Apparently, our GM does since he has been constantly scouting your games. I don't think he's watching just for fun.

i would guess its going to be somewhat of a minor insignificant trade. We could be in for a goalie...but we have no farm and i cant see us dealing NHL roster for anyone besides Halak...and that would be a stretch from us too.

 

[PocketNines]

One thing to remember re: Hainsey or Winnipeg generally is that the Southeast is pretty awful again this year, with no team in the top half of teams in the league (Carolina's .527 points percentage, below the league average, is tops in the SE). What this means is barring some big time streak by a rival in the next couple weeks or some sudden plunge in fortunes, Winnipeg is going to stay in the race for the #3 seed for awhile and might not be sellers.

 

[JustOneB4IDie]

I'm starting to wonder who IS a good trading partner for the Blues...

 

[Falco Lombardi]

I'm assuming you mean where we acquire a defenseman in exchange for no roster defenseman (not Phoenix' need) but rather forward(s) and/or future(s). Yeah, we've discussed the Yandle & Gormley ideas a LOT in the past year.

That's exactly what I mean I would love to see something like



Jaden Schwartz
Ottawa's 2nd round pick

:coyotes

Brandon Gormley


or



1st round pick
Ty Rattie
Matt D'Agostini

:coyotes

Keith Yandle

 

[CTAMER]

Danny Briere

Flyers fan coming in peace. I was just curious what the fans of St. Louis think about the rumor of Briere becoming a Blue in the near future. I know we aren't going to get Shattenkirk for Briere, but what do you guys think it would take to get him and would your team actually benefit from a player like Briere?

 

[bleedblue1223]

He would replace McDonald for the next 2 seasons, so he would be a fit. A pick and prospect or maybe something with Russell since you guys need some puck movers.

 

[kimzey59]

1) Of course we would benefit from landing Briere.
What team wouldn't benefit from adding a 60+ point scorer, especially with his PO pedigree.

Briere would give us a ton of flexibility up front. He could either center the Tarasenko line(my preference given that it would end our Steen at center experiment) or play wing with Berglund and Stewart.

Either way, a guy like Briere would turn our collection of forwards into an Elite offense.
Perron Briere Tarasenko
McDonald Berglund Stewart
Steen Backes Oshie

I can't think of any team that can match that top 9.

2) Financially he's a fit. Cap hit is irrelevant to us, it's the real money that matters and Briere's next 2 years are "sweetheart" level.

3) As for what it would take; I would start a possible deal with Jordan Schmaltz. He's not going to be an immediate impact guy, but he could be a long term replacement for Timmonen and Philly needs to be looking at that situation very carefully.
Schmaltz and a 2nd would be a solid deal for Philly given their Cap situation next year.

 

[achdumeingute]

Have there been leaks as to what numbers will be on the contracts offered to pietro and skirk?

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

1) Of course we would benefit from landing Briere.
What team wouldn't benefit from adding a 60+ point scorer, especially with his PO pedigree.

Briere would give us a ton of flexibility up front. He could either center the Tarasenko line(my preference given that it would end our Steen at center experiment) or play wing with Berglund and Stewart.

Either way, a guy like Briere would turn our collection of forwards into an Elite offense.
Perron Briere Tarasenko
McDonald Berglund Stewart
Steen Backes Oshie

I can't think of any team that can match that top 9.

2) Financially he's a fit. Cap hit is irrelevant to us, it's the real money that matters and Briere's next 2 years are "sweetheart" level.

3) As for what it would take; I would start a possible deal with Jordan Schmaltz. He's not going to be an immediate impact guy, but he could be a long term replacement for Timmonen and Philly needs to be looking at that situation very carefully.
Schmaltz and a 2nd would be a solid deal for Philly given their Cap situation next year.

I'd do something along that line. Not my first choice...

 

[CTAMER]

You guys make good points, but I also think that you are placing to much value on what Briere brings to the table. He can indeed make a line better, but he also very much a defensive liability his entire career. If you watch a Flyers game, he is in no rush to back defensively or check anyone. The only time he gets his feet moving is in the offensive zone.

 

[OCTA8ON*]

You guys make good points, but I also think that you are placing to much value on what Briere brings to the table. He can indeed make a line better, but he also very much a defensive liability his entire career. If you watch a Flyers game, he is in no rush to back defensively or check anyone. The only time he gets his feet moving is in the offensive zone.

That's because players in the east like Semin can get away with that. Under hitchcock, you'll see his feet moving.

 

[SirPaste]

Army was just on the Bernie show and when Bernie brought up him scouting the Flyers Army said he was at 2 Flyers game but there were other teams that he watched 2-3 times this week also.(Didnt give the other team names.) Pretty much downplayed everything, saying that we have a long stretch of no games so he wanted to go get a look at some teams in the East.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Army was just on the Bernie show and when Bernie brought up him scouting the Flyers Army said he was at 2 Flyers game but there were other teams that he watched 2-3 times this week also.(Didnt give the other team names.) Pretty much downplayed everything, saying that we have a long stretch of no games so he wanted to go get a look at some teams in the East.

I think he's up to something. Where there's smoke there's usually fire. Who knows, maybe he doesn't make a deal. But I'd bet my bottom dollar he's making some calls.

 

[SirPaste]

I think he's up to something. Where there's smoke there's usually fire. Who knows, maybe he doesn't make a deal. But I'd bet my bottom dollar he's making some calls.

Yea Im not saying he's not, he wouldnt admit it even if he was. Just thought I would share that on here for those who missed it.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

No way I give up Schmaltz and a 2nd for Briere. That's the equivalent of trading a 1st and a 2nd for him, which to me is a -huge- overpayment.

I wouldn't even think to give up a 1st for him straight up in all honesty. I think a 2nd alone is the max I would go. Philly is -desperate- to shed cap space. We are one of maybe three teams that can take on his cap hit. Of those teams, we're the only one that will probably do it/be acceptable to Briere. Therefore, if Holmgren wants to make a deal with us, we've pretty much got all the leverage.

All in all, we have -no- reason to overpay, in-fact we're in a position to underpay.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

No way I give up Schmaltz and a 2nd for Briere. That's the equivalent of trading a 1st and a 2nd for him, which to me is a -huge- overpayment.

I wouldn't even think to give up a 1st for him straight up in all honesty. I think a 2nd alone is the max I would go. Philly is -desperate- to shed cap space. We are one of maybe three teams that can take on his cap hit. Of those teams, we're the only one that will probably do it/be acceptable to Briere. Therefore, if Holmgren wants to make a deal with us, we've pretty much got all the leverage.

All in all, we have -no- reason to overpay, in-fact we're in a position to underpay.

I liked the idea Pocket had of Schmaltz for Briere. I don't think you should have to pay more than that.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

No way I give up Schmaltz and a 2nd for Briere. That's the equivalent of trading a 1st and a 2nd for him, which to me is a -huge- overpayment.

I wouldn't even think to give up a 1st for him straight up in all honesty. I think a 2nd alone is the max I would go. Philly is -desperate- to shed cap space. We are one of maybe three teams that can take on his cap hit. Of those teams, we're the only one that will probably do it/be acceptable to Briere. Therefore, if Holmgren wants to make a deal with us, we've pretty much got all the leverage.

All in all, we have -no- reason to overpay, in-fact we're in a position to underpay.

I tend to agree with this. I don't really see a higher compensation for the trade as affecting the NTC issue. I think Philadelphia probably doesn't have a lot of bidders, and it would be foolish to not get anything in return.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I tend to agree with this. I don't really see a higher compensation for the trade as affecting the NTC issue. I think Philadelphia probably doesn't have a lot of bidders, and it would be foolish to not get anything in return.

Looking at the quality of this draft class coming, I think that you can safely assume your 2nds may be of greater or equal value to your first choice last year. I would be willing to part with Schmaltz rather than our 1st or 2-2nd picks this year. That is just my opinion.

 

[TheOrganist]

After listening to that previously cited Armstrong interview, and as I was saying yesterday, I continue to get the sense that the team will be extremely cautious in terms of acquiring players with salaries that extend into future years unless we're talking dollar for dollar swaps. He listed all the important players due big raises after this year and said ALL of them were a priority (even mentioned Stewart). He knows (and so do we) that that quartet is going to take a huge chunk of the allotted budget.

Briere might not SEEM like a big monetary issue, but ownership having to commit $5 mil over two years to a 36 year old when we have a plethora of impressive young wingers in the system would be a big factor in the decision to acquire him.

If Briere gets hurt (which is likely at his age and playing in the rugged West) and is totally ineffective next year, the Blues are not the type of team that can afford to have money just sitting idly on the payroll...and he's signed for the following year as well.

And that's not even including the opportunity cost of acquiring Briere which could theoretically handicap our ability to get a defenseman. I'm just using DB as an example since he was the focal point of trade proposals yesterday.

Basically, after listening to the interview, I get the sense that if the Blues make a move this year I think it will very likely be for an impending UFA like Hainsey.

 

[Market Street Heroes]

I would like the Blues to make a trade for Sam Gagner. He could be our future replacement for Andy Mac.

I'm horrible at knowing trade value though. Would something like Ian Cole (Edm needs defense) + 1st be enough?

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I see the Blues making more of a Stewart Shattenkirk / mcclement Johnson deal. I think we are just looking for the right suitor to pick up some better quality young players with our plethora of prospects and young talent.

Something like a package not to name names of Perron / Schwartz / picks or prospects for a young center and potential top 4 d man

 

[SirPaste]

I would like the Blues to make a trade for Sam Gagner. He could be our future replacement for Andy Mac.

I'm horrible at knowing trade value though. Would something like Ian Cole (Edm needs defense) + 1st be enough?

No way, he is having a good year this year but Im not a huge fan of him, especially at a price like that. Undersized center, who's defensive game leaves a lot to be desired.