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Maybe I’m high on copium, but I think Army is going to find a way to move Krug in the next 11 months and sign Devon Toews next offseason. We’ll all complain about the term and the cap hit, but we’ll be back to having a Top 10 D again.

I think Army will attempt to do just that. Whether he balks at the cost of moving Krug or potentially underwhelming return and we see Krug actually get moved, I'm not holding my breath...

That said, we're far more than a Krug out and Toews in away from being a top 10 defensive team again. Top 20 is a stretch if we don't see our assistant coaching change yield dividends this season.

While that would let us run whichever pairings show the best chemistry of

Toews/Leddy - Parayko
Toews/Leddy - Faulk
Scandella/Rosen - Tucker/Bortuzzo

I don't doubt the above is worlds better than anything we've run lately. It's not top 10. Even if you let the bolded stand and run Toews/Parayko defensively and Leddy/Faulk offensively eating up ~45-48 mins a night, that bottom pairing is either green, one dimensional or old, and I have trouble characterizing any of those dmen as #1s carrying your team in all situations. Faulk and Parayko each excel in their own facets of the game and are competant in most aspects. Toews fits that description as well and Leddy as the weakest of those 4, definitely played as a solid top 4 dman last season. But it doesn't measure up to any of the NYI, COL, NJD, FLA, NYR, CAR, TBL, VGK have. I'd also argue that CGY underperformed last year, DAL is ahead of that, BUF will surpass that and OTT will be better than that setup. That's 12 teams I would rank ahead of us in that potential situation - and TOR has a chance to improve their setup, while Nashville churns out another unexpected star dman as they've done in the past.

Toews is a great defenseman, but I don't see him taking the DA special to play on a bubble team here next summer in UFA. Let's leave my reservations about committing the 5+ years of term he'll want further cementing a veteran ageing defence core and getting rid of any semblance of cap flexibility aside as well.
 

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Did you guys wanting Toews ever stop to consider that f*** he's old? Also, doesn't he play with Makar? Not to dis on Toews but Makar could make me look like an all star out there.
 
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I think Army will attempt to do just that. Whether he balks at the cost of moving Krug or potentially underwhelming return and we see Krug actually get moved, I'm not holding my breath...

That said, we're far more than a Krug out and Toews in away from being a top 10 defensive team again. Top 20 is a stretch if we don't see our assistant coaching change yield dividends this season.

While that would let us run whichever pairings show the best chemistry of

Toews/Leddy - Parayko
Toews/Leddy - Faulk
Scandella/Rosen - Tucker/Bortuzzo

I don't doubt the above is worlds better than anything we've run lately. It's not top 10. Even if you let the bolded stand and run Toews/Parayko defensively and Leddy/Faulk offensively eating up ~45-48 mins a night, that bottom pairing is either green, one dimensional or old, and I have trouble characterizing any of those dmen as #1s carrying your team in all situations. Faulk and Parayko each excel in their own facets of the game and are competant in most aspects. Toews fits that description as well and Leddy as the weakest of those 4, definitely played as a solid top 4 dman last season. But it doesn't measure up to any of the NYI, COL, NJD, FLA, NYR, CAR, TBL, VGK have. I'd also argue that CGY underperformed last year, DAL is ahead of that, BUF will surpass that and OTT will be better than that setup. That's 12 teams I would rank ahead of us in that potential situation - and TOR has a chance to improve their setup, while Nashville churns out another unexpected star dman as they've done in the past.

Toews is a great defenseman, but I don't see him taking the DA special to play on a bubble team here next summer in UFA. Let's leave my reservations about committing the 5+ years of term he'll want further cementing a veteran ageing defence core and getting rid of any semblance of cap flexibility aside as well.
scandella and bortz won’t be here a year from now
more likey be something like tucker/perunovich which actually intrigues me as a third paring
 

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I have to agree, the time to acquire Toews was 3 years ago when you could get him for 2 second rounders. No need to toss a new aging, big-money defenseman back there when the team has that taken care of currently. Even though I do think Toews is a very good defenseman I don't want them to be on the hook for that UFA deal.
 

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Did you guys wanting Toews ever stop to consider that f*** he's old? Also, doesn't he play with Makar? Not to dis on Toews but Makar could make me look like an all star out there.
Toews' underlying numbers in NYI were great too. Sure, he's had the benefit of Makar but he's a rocksolid guy for the top 4 and I think he'd age well into a longer contract. If we can somehow move Krug out before UFA next year I'd fully support throwing cash at him.
 

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Toews' underlying numbers in NYI were great too. Sure, he's had the benefit of Makar but he's a rocksolid guy for the top 4 and I think he'd age well into a longer contract. If we can somehow move Krug out before UFA next year I'd fully support throwing cash at him.
He’s a solid guy, but between the boost of playing with Makar and the salary cap likely to make a big jump, I think he’s going to get quite overpaid in UFA.
 

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I will be surprised if Toews hits UFA next summer. I've always expected them to make Girard their first defensive cap casualty and I think he'd get them a nice return in trade at the draft next year. Extending Toews at his market value (giving an 8th year to bring down AAV) and getting an asset for Girard just makes more sense to me than letting Toews walk.
 

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I will be surprised if Toews hits UFA next summer. I've always expected them to make Girard their first defensive cap casualty and I think he'd get them a nice return in trade at the draft next year. Extending Toews at his market value (giving an 8th year to bring down AAV) and getting an asset for Girard just makes more sense to me than letting Toews walk.
Why would anyone give them asset for Girard? Seems like he is kind of guy they would have to pay to move.
 

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...except for the first year there which happens to be the one where he put up great numbers. He played 16:12 a night at 5 on 5 that season vs mid-tier competition.

After that, he was elevated to a larger role. In the rest of his time on the Island, he played between 17:18 and 18:09 per night at 5 on 5. For reference, he was at 18:33 a night last year.

He played 1471, 1447, 1393, & 1421 5 on 5 minutes between 2015-2019. The difference between those numbers are about a shift per game. He put up better numbers throughout the majority of those seasons.

In this stretch where he played 17+ 5 on 5 minutes a night on the Island, he went -58 over 440 games on a team that had a +53 goal differential over the same stretch. He had the worst +/- of any defender on the Islanders in 2015/16, 2017/18 (he was an astonishing -42 while the next worst was -9), 2018/19, and 2020/21. He was 2nd worst in 2019/20 and 3rd worst in 2016/17.
Why are you combining all of those years when there's a clear outlier? He was -9, -3, -42, 0 when those Islander teams were +9, +6, -16, +34. Those first 2 years are perfectly fine output for someone being deployed as your primary offensive Defenseman even if you're considering +/- to be the end all of defensive play, which we know isn't the case. When you look at the microstats, Leddy was better across the board even when he was -42 in terms of exit%s

He was 2.45 GA per 60 at 5 on 5 in 2015/16, which was dead last among all 7 D who played 50+ games for the Isles. His 2.49 in 2016/17 was 4th on the team. His 3.49 in 2017/18 was last again. His 2.41 in 2018/19 was last again. His 2.55 in 2019/20 was 2nd to last. His 2.28 in 2020/21 was last again. The Isles were a significantly better team defensively than the Blues were last year. They allowed 2.76 goals per game while Leddy was logging top pair minutes while the Blues allowed 3.63 per game.

When the the Isle's team defense (and/or goaltending) is preventing .87 goals per game more than last year's Blues team and he is allowing more goals than everyone else in the top 4, I don't consider being in the mid-2s as more effective than being at 2.82 on the Blues (and being 1st among the top 4).
Why should we excuse Leddy from responsibility in the outcomes of these. If he's being used as a shutdown defender, a successful season would have resulted in a better overall season, especially since he sacrificed the offensive impact he was having in those season. Leddy's defensive weaknesses are the same as they've always been. He's not good at retrievals and relies heavily on his partner for that. We've been ragging the coaching for entry defense, but Leddy's results on those last season aren't any different from what was going on in Long Island.

Also it's worth pointing out that the current era in the NHL is higher scoring in general than even 2018, and a majority of that is coming from improvements in the Powerplay and offense off the rush, the first being irrelevant for 5on5 defense and the latter playing against his historical strengths.

In his time with Chicago, he only had 1 season where he played more than 14 minutes a night at 5 on 5. In that season, his numbers were uglier than they were this year and he was being sheltered by Keith, Seabrook, and Hjalmarsson taking the hard minutes. He started in the O-zone 55% of time and only had 3 more even strength points.

I just don't agree that he was ineffective in his role this year. He went +4 overall. -3 at 5 on 5. That's succeeding when you're on the most defensively oriented top pair of the last decade. 23 even strength points basically playing even in that role is being effective.
Not sure what you're trying to say here. If it's for leddy specifically, sure I guess, but that also means he's playing with his best defensive partner. His performance in the zone didn't see any meaningful improvement over previous years in his career. His exits were up to par or just below his norm in Long island, and his retrievals & entry defense were still not good. The Blues were -8 at 5 on 5 last season, being -3 there isn't really a boon that makes up for when he was putting up double the points in a lower scoring league, even if he was getting power play time then.

His career high is 31 even strength points and that was the only time he hit 30. He's been a low-to-mid 20 even strength points guy pretty much his entire career in either offensive or balanced usage. The PP points do nothing for me. The Isles PP was 25th in the league over the years when he was there picking up 10-20 PP points a year as their top PP QB. He didn't demonstrate high end offensive ability on the PP that moves the needle for me.

Outscoring at even strength in the NHL on the mid 10s is not nothing (on a team with demonstrably less shooting talent as well). Being the top scoring defenseman for 4 seasons isn't nothing. His individual offensive contributions in the offensive zone show a clear difference in setup and offensive generation between then and now, while his work in the defensive zone was more or less the same.
 

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Why would anyone give them asset for Girard? Seems like he is kind of guy they would have to pay to move.
He's a good offensive D man who is fairly paid. He's 34th in even strength D points over the last 3 seasons and 42nd in points overall. Solid possession numbers without any sheltering at all and he plays in all situations.

If they trade him next summer, the receiving team would be getting a 26 year old no-doubt 2nd pair D man under contract for 3 more years at $5M AAV.

I don't think that's a negative value deal at all once we exit the flat cap era.
 

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So I have been pretty bored the last few days and have been looking around other teams prospect pools trying to find some targets to bolster the Blues RHD. Now obviously teams are not going to trade blue chip prospects like Nemec or Jiricek so it is more about finding depth for that position. I have three names that I think have real potential that would also be obtainable.

#1. Scott Morrow: Drafted by Carolina #40 overall in 2021, stands 6'2 and 195lbs. A fluid skating two-way defenseman who plays a aggressive game in the neutral and offensive zone controlling the game with the puck on his stick. Defensively he is responsible with good gap control and uses his large frame well to keep opponents to the outside. Morrow would likely cost the most in assets but for a team like Carolina whose window is open now he could be available for immediate upgrade.

#2. Ville Ottavainen: Drafted by Seattle #99 overall in 2021, stands 6'4 and right around 200lbs. Uses his long stride and large frame to great benefit on the defensive side of the game. Stands up attackers at the blueline and maintains excellent gap control. Can make a good solid first pass but rarely leads the attack up the ice as he lacks agility to maneuver around opposing players.

#3. Jack Matier: Drafted by Nashville #124 overall in 2021, stands 6'4 and 200lbs. Matier was drafted as a big bodied defensive defenseman who specialized in protecting the front of the net and that is still his bread butter. However, in the two years since his draft he has seen a considerable improvement in his puck skills and offensive output so their may be some untapped potential there. He provides excellent positioning and puck protection, using his large frame to box out attackers. His skating still needs a little bit of polish, it's not terrible but could limit his potential.

These are just a couple of names that I think could be obtainable to help bolster our right side depth, what do you all think? Any names that stick out to my fellow HFBlues posters?
 
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So I have been pretty bored the last few days and have been looking around other teams prospect pools trying to find some targets to bolster the Blues RHD. Now obviously teams are not going to trade blue chip prospects like Nemec or Jiricek so it is more about finding depth for that position. I have three names that I think have real potential that would also be obtainable.

#1. Scott Morrow: Drafted by Carolina #40 overall in 2021, stands 6'2 and 195lbs. A fluid skating two-way defenseman who plays a aggressive game in the neutral and offensive zone controlling the game with the puck on his stick. Defensively he is responsible with good gap control and uses his large frame well to keep opponents to the outside. Morrow would likely cost the most in assets but for a team like Carolina whose window is open now he could be available for immediate upgrade.

#2. Ville Ottavainen: Drafted by Seattle #99 overall in 2021, stands 6'4 and right around 200lbs. Uses his long stride and large frame to great benefit on the defensive side of the game. Stands up attackers at the blueline and maintains excellent gap control. Can make a good solid first pass but rarely leads the attack up the ice as he lacks agility to maneuver around opposing players.

#3. Jack Matier: Drafted by Nashville #124 overall in 2021, stands 6'4 and 200lbs. Matier was drafted as a big bodied defensive defenseman who specialized in protecting the front of the net and that is still his bread butter. However, in the two years since his draft he has seen a considerable improvement in his puck skills and offensive output so their may be some untapped potential there. He provides excellent positioning and puck protection, using his large frame to box out attackers. His skating still needs a little bit of polish, it's not terrible but could limit his potential.

These are just a couple of names that I think could be obtainable to help bolster our right side depth, what do you all think? Any names that stick out to my fellow HFBlues posters?

Why RHD? These are decent prospects. Morrow being the cream of the crop for my viewings. But we are set at top 4 RHD for 4 years. Faulk and PArayko are all signed. I can't see paying what the teams would want for these players to have them play 3rd pairing for 4 years. And I don't see the breakout potential that they could force out one of those guys before then. If we could grab one cheap, sure. They all have some upside, but I just don't see it being a need currently.

I'd rather we spent assets elsewhere, unless, again, the value is too good by acquiring these guys cheap. If we are moving Krug to Nashville to play with O'Rei, and Nashville is like, here take Matier, then sure. But if Carolina wants a first for Morrow, no thank you.
 
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Why RHD? These are decent prospects. Morrow being the cream of the crop for my viewings. But we are set at top 4 RHD for 4 years. Faulk and PArayko are all signed. I can't see paying what the teams would want for these players to have them play 3rd pairing for 4 years. And I don't see the breakout potential that they could force out one of those guys before then. If we could grab one cheap, sure. They all have some upside, but I just don't see it being a need currently.

I'd rather we spent assets elsewhere, unless, again, the value is too good by acquiring these guys cheap. If we are moving Krug to Nashville to play with O'Rei, and Nashville is like, here take Matier, then sure. But if Carolina wants a first for Morrow, no thank you.

I think you have to understand my mindset of the team going forward. I look at our defense core and I just don't see it. Even with defensive scheme adjustment and new dedication from the forwards to a two-way game I just don't see a core that can lead us to a cup. I see a core that maybe can get us into the playoffs and be competitive but it would require simultaneous career resurgences from just about everyone for me to buy this team making it deep in the playoffs. That being said I believe our focus should be on the long term. Thomas and Kyrou are young enough to build around with one of the deepest offensive prospect pools in the NHL IMO. We also have several pieces of varying potential on the LHD side of things in Lindstein, Buchinger, Loof, Gaudet, Tucker and Perunovich.

I am targeting RHD because it is a organizational weakness. Also because I don't believe Faulk and Parayko are going to live out the end of their contracts here. I don't necessarily view the players mentioned as immediate replacements but more of a replenishment of an area of deficiency as they are all still a few years away. That being said I am not looking to trade futures for the players mentioned. I could see the Blues targeting those players in potential trades to bolster their rosters for playoff runs or maybe moving one of LHD for RHD with similar potential. As far as their development it is always an uncertainty, I am just aiming for a bit more balance in our prospect pool.

Also, to touch on Morrow specifically I acknowledge that he is likely to cost the most but Carolina is very much in a win-now window. If we can dangle a piece that they believe could be the final piece to puzzle. They might not want to part with Morrow but if you are looking to acquire a piece that you think can help win you a cup your going to give up something you don't want to. Case and point, Thompson for ROR.
 

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I think you have to understand my mindset of the team going forward. I look at our defense core and I just don't see it. Even with defensive scheme adjustment and new dedication from the forwards to a two-way game I just don't see a core that can lead us to a cup. I see a core that maybe can get us into the playoffs and be competitive but it would require simultaneous career resurgences from just about everyone for me to buy this team making it deep in the playoffs. That being said I believe our focus should be on the long term. Thomas and Kyrou are young enough to build around with one of the deepest offensive prospect pools in the NHL IMO. We also have several pieces of varying potential on the LHD side of things in Lindstein, Buchinger, Loof, Gaudet, Tucker and Perunovich.

I am targeting RHD because it is a organizational weakness. Also because I don't believe Faulk and Parayko are going to live out the end of their contracts here. I don't necessarily view the players mentioned as immediate replacements but more of a replenishment of an area of deficiency as they are all still a few years away. That being said I am not looking to trade futures for the players mentioned. I could see the Blues targeting those players in potential trades to bolster their rosters for playoff runs or maybe moving one of LHD for RHD with similar potential. As far as their development it is always an uncertainty, I am just aiming for a bit more balance in our prospect pool.

Also, to touch on Morrow specifically I acknowledge that he is likely to cost the most but Carolina is very much in a win-now window. If we can dangle a piece that they believe could be the final piece to puzzle. They might not want to part with Morrow but if you are looking to acquire a piece that you think can help win you a cup your going to give up something you don't want to. Case and point, Thompson for ROR.

I can see that. My mind-set is that Faulk and Parayko are our best D. So we should try to build up our left side to create that core. While we have a bunch of LHD prospects, I don't see any that are likely to an above average top 4 (Lindstein will be top 4 I think but I'm iffy on if he'll be a top pair guy).

I'd rather move out Krug, Leddy and Scandella to bring in the players we need to revamp our D core on the left side than move Faulk and Parayko. If we move out Faulk/Parayko, Krug, and Scandela, that is a lot of D to replace. So if I am targeting a D man from Carolina, I want Nikishin over Morrow. Hoping he can be paired with Faulk and Parayko, as opposed to Morrow being paired with Tucker and Buchinger.
 
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I can see that. My mind-set is that Faulk and Parayko are our best D. So we should try to build up our left side to create that core. While we have a bunch of LHD prospects, I don't see any that are likely to an above average top 4 (Lindstein will be top 4 I think but I'm iffy on if he'll be a top pair guy).

I'd rather move out Krug, Leddy and Scandella to bring in the players we need to revamp our D core on the left side than move Faulk and Parayko. If we move out Faulk/Parayko, Krug, and Scandela, that is a lot of D to replace. So if I am targeting a D man from Carolina, I want Nikishin over Morrow. Hoping he can be paired with Faulk and Parayko, as opposed to Morrow being paired with Tucker and Buchinger.

I understand what you are saying and agree to some extent. Also, I am not advocating trading our entire top 4 in one go. My idea to to continue to build up the prospect core and slowly watch them ascend moving out some of the older guys as the cap goes up and their salary's become more palatable to competing teams looking for defensive depth. Bortuzzo is likely gone after this year, wait a year or two and start looking at moving Faulk/Leddy and then Parayko a year or two after that. It is always hard fully project out the future because we don't know what future trades availability and UFA pools are going to look like. My core point is I would really like to see the Blues start building up the next defensive core as I view our future as much brighter than our present.
 

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I can see that. My mind-set is that Faulk and Parayko are our best D. So we should try to build up our left side to create that core. While we have a bunch of LHD prospects, I don't see any that are likely to an above average top 4 (Lindstein will be top 4 I think but I'm iffy on if he'll be a top pair guy).

I'd rather move out Krug, Leddy and Scandella to bring in the players we need to revamp our D core on the left side than move Faulk and Parayko. If we move out Faulk/Parayko, Krug, and Scandela, that is a lot of D to replace. So if I am targeting a D man from Carolina, I want Nikishin over Morrow. Hoping he can be paired with Faulk and Parayko, as opposed to Morrow being paired with Tucker and Buchinger.
Next year's draft have a decent amount of 1st round RHD prospects. That's where I want the focus to be. We're stuck on the right side for the time being with the cap limiting everyone, but with the loaded pipeline we have now we just need that blue chip RD prospect to tie it all together.
 

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Next year's draft have a decent amount of 1st round RHD prospects. That's where I want the focus to be. We're stuck on the right side for the time being with the cap limiting everyone, but with the loaded pipeline we have now we just need that blue chip RD prospect to tie it all together.

If I ever thought there was a chance Columbus would put David Jiricek on the table I would damn near let them name their price. If they asked for Buchnevich I would seriously consider it and I consider him the best player on our team. I am huge Jiricek fan from even before his draft year though.
 

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I share @Majorityof1's mindset that bolstering the RHD pipeline isn't a top priority. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't accept one in a deal, but I wouldn't be actively targeting them for their handedness. All else being equal, I'd be targeting LD prospects/players over RD prospects/players. I think that the 3 guys @Blanick listed are pretty unlikely to turn into guys on par or better than Faulk/Parayko. If the mindset is that our current RD duo isn't good enough, then I don't believe replacing one (or both) with one (or two) of those prospects gets us closer. I see the value in adding one of those prospects, but I don't think any solves our 'we don't have a good enough 1D' problem. Short of getting a guy with legit 1D potential, I'd rather work on fixing the left side of the D group.

Now, if we wind up selling mid-season and the best D prospect we can get in such a deal plays on the right side? I'd absolutely be fine with that. I'd prefer a LD prospect over a RD, but I'm not going to take a lesser prospect based on handedness. I'm not sold on Nashville as a mid-season buyer, but I'd absolutely take Morrow as the centerpiece of a deal with Carolina or Ottavainen as a secondary piece of a deal with Seattle.
 

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The speculation around Calgary and Lindholm is they want a scoring winger to replace losing Tafoli. DeBrusk is said to be the cost from Boston.

The speculated Hanifin return from Pittsburgh is Granlund (cap dump), a 1st, and Pickering.

If Army really wants to compete now I’m not sure why he wouldn’t target both in a bigger deal.

Kyrou easily replaces DeBrusk. DeBrusk is also on the last year of his contract.

Scandella (cap dump) plus a 1st and futures seems like an easy enough task to match or beat the Pens offer.

The caveat would be if both players would be open to signing extensions in St. Louis.

Kyrou for Lindholm

Scandella, 2024 1st, Bolduc, Dean, and even Lindstein could be on the table.

I’m hoping for more of a rebuild but if Army wants to go for it why not swing for the fences?

Buchnevich Lindholm Schenn
Saad Thomas Vrana
Neighbors Hayes Kap
Toro Sundqvist Blais

Hanifin Parayko
Leddy Faulk
Krug Tucker

The following year they could see Snuggy and Dvorski joining the top 9 to give them some more offensive punch.
 
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Ahhh Lindholm again, no thank you. Complete opposite of the player we should be looking for. Too old for our retool and is going to be requiring big money in his 30-35+ years. But hey I'll just get told "but you put him on the team right now and we'll be able to win now"
 

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The speculation around Calgary and Lindholm is they want a scoring winger to replace losing Tafoli. DeBrusk is said to be the cost from Boston.

The speculated Hanifin return from Pittsburgh is Granlund (cap dump), a 1st, and Pickering.

If Army really wants to compete now I’m not sure why he wouldn’t target both in a bigger deal.

Kyrou easily replaces DeBrusk. DeBrusk is also on the last year of his contract.

Scandella (cap dump) plus a 1st and futures seems like an easy enough task to match or beat the Pens offer.

The caveat would be if both players would be open to signing extensions in St. Louis.

Kyrou for Lindholm

Scandella, 2024 1st, Bolduc, Dean, and even Lindstein could be on the table.

I’m hoping for more of a rebuild but if Army wants to go for it why not swing for the fences?

Buchnevich Lindholm Schenn
Saad Thomas Vrana
Neighbors Hayes Kap
Toro Sundqvist Blais

Hanifin Parayko
Leddy Faulk
Krug Tucker

The following year they could see Snuggy and Dvorski joining the top 9 to give them some more offensive punch.

I would rather eat shit than trade Kyrou for Lindholm. Why the f*** does Boston get to give up DeBrusk while we have to give up Kyrou? They are NOT at all close to the same player. Kyrou is worth so much more than Debrusk. So why do we get dicked while Boston can give a cap dump?
 
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I would rather eat shit than trade Kyrou for Lindholm. Why the f*** does Boston get to give up DeBrusk while we have to give up Kyrou? They are NOT at all close to the same player. Kyrou is worth so much more than Debrusk. So why do we get dicked while Boston can give a cap dump?

I think everyone knows Kyrou > DeBrusk but there’s this thing called the salary cap. I’m not sure which other winger would both Calgary’s want plus work for the cap.
 
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