Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 3

[fcpremix88]

Tarasenko signed for 8 years at $7.5 in 2015. Kyrou will get more.

 

[PocketNines]

It sure feels like we could see this to start the year. Whether a good idea or not, it feels like this is where it's headed.

Tkachuk–Thomas–Kyrou
Saad–ROR–Buchnevich
Neighbors–Schenn–Barbashev (or Bolduc instead of Neighbors)
Acciari–Brown–Walker
Kostin, Leivo (Toropchenko takes a regular 4th line spot when healthy)

Leddy–Parayko
Krug–Faulk
Mikkola–Bortuzzo
Perunovich

Binnington, Greiss

 

[bleedblue1223]

It sure feels like we could see this to start the year. Whether a good idea or not, it feels like this is where it's headed.

Tkachuk–Thomas–Kyrou
Saad–ROR–Buchnevich
Neighbors–Schenn–Barbashev (or Bolduc instead of Neighbors)
Acciari–Brown–Walker
Kostin, Leivo (Toropchenko takes a regular 4th line spot when healthy)

Leddy–Parayko
Krug–Faulk
Mikkola–Bortuzzo
Perunovich

Binnington, Greiss

This is the play that I think makes the most sense. I don't get the feeling that Philly is interested in moving their defensive pieces. I don't think we are willing to pay the ask for Chychrun, and a move within the division never seemed likely. I'm not sold on if we can do both Kyrou and Tkachuk on long-term for what they'll demand, but if Tkachuk is willing to max out at the Gaudreau deal, then acquiring him is more plausible than it would be if he wants 10.5+.

And then it becomes a roll of the dice on Thomas/Tkachuk developing into players that can carry the offense in the playoffs.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

It sure feels like we could see this to start the year. Whether a good idea or not, it feels like this is where it's headed.

Tkachuk–Thomas–Kyrou
Saad–ROR–Buchnevich
Neighbors–Schenn–Barbashev (or Bolduc instead of Neighbors)
Acciari–Brown–Walker
Kostin, Leivo (Toropchenko takes a regular 4th line spot when healthy)

Leddy–Parayko
Krug–Faulk
Mikkola–Bortuzzo
Perunovich

Binnington, Greiss

sooo... just giving Tarasenko and Scandella away?

 

[PocketNines]

If Tkachuk has a 9 starting his AAV I hate it. 8.75M is about my limit on him, prefer 8.5. The whole reason I've been against this deal, aside from general playoff Tkachukiness, is that he'd rupture the internal salary cap.

If Armstrong is considering how to make this happen, and I think he is, then I think he has spoken to Tkachuk's agent during RFA time and knows the deal he'll take. So if he's still considering it then it fits the internal cap which is why I am guesstimating under 9. More hopestimating.

sooo... just giving Tarasenko and Scandella away?

What makes you assume that? They're obviously traded in this opening night roster gut feeling, why assume for zero return?

 

[bleedblue1223]

I feel similar to you about acquiring Tkachuk, I'm at 9.5 as my upper limit where I start feeling a bit uneasy. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we've floated Kyrou for Tkachuk, but I do think a lot depends on Calgary's plans. If they do decide to nuke it, maybe Kyrou doesn't really interest them, maybe Army decides to just wait for Tkachuk to make it to UFA if he believes he'll come to St. Louis, and if Calgary does decide to nuke it, then we should pass on Tkachuk and make a move for Hanifin.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

What makes you assume that? They're obviously traded in this opening night roster gut feeling, why assume for zero return?

don't see anything in your lineup that would suggest we'd be getting anything in return

 

[bleedblue1223]

don't see anything in your lineup that would suggest we'd be getting anything in return

If the plan is to add Tkachuk, we aren't going to be able to add additional salary on top of that. Any return likely wouldn't be in the lineup.

 

[ValHaller]

Sorry if I'm spamming up the thread. I just find these interesting. Mods feel free to rein me in.

 

[PocketNines]

don't see anything in your lineup that would suggest we'd be getting anything in return

Scandella is anywhere from we get a 5th or we give up a 5th territory.

Tarasenko most likely goes for a 1st+future. Not a #1 LHD.

It's very possible the Blues told Calgary they didn't want to pay as much as a 1st for a player they think they will get without having to give up assets in 12 months and since Calgary has no leverage they broke off talks. But Tarasenko in STL and Tkachuk in Calgary are in essentially lame duck years even though both are putting up team-leading type numbers. The Blues could let Tarasenko play all year, let him walk and Tkachuk join the team. It's just that an 8 year term probably allows the Blues to keep AAV lower than a 7 year term. Plus it's more than just moving on from any player, Perron and Tarasenko are true Cup Era Blues, so they need a major new era to begin. Why not keep the AAV lower and move into the new era sooner as long as it's inevitable, is probably what the thinking is. So I imagine the return for Tarasenko helps pay for Tkachuk.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I had dreams of being able to roster Tkachuk along with Thomas, Kyrou, and O'Reilly but in digging more into our cap situation this offseason I just don't see how that's going to be possible. I think a Tkachuk for Kyrou+ swap makes a lot of sense for both teams.

I don't like the idea of trading a piece like Kyrou when we could have Tkachuk for just money in the offseason, but if Tkachuk has a monster year in Calgary, he's going to be too expensive once he hits the open market. It's a pretty big risk to wait if you truly want to make Tkachuk the face of your franchise.

 

[ValHaller]

I had dreams of being able to roster Tkachuk along with Thomas, Kyrou, and O'Reilly but in digging more into our cap situation this offseason I just don't see how that's going to be possible. I think a Tkachuk for Kyrou+ swap makes a lot of sense for both teams.

I don't like the idea of trading a piece like Kyrou when we could have Tkachuk for just money in the offseason, but if Tkachuk has a monster year in Calgary, he's going to be too expensive once he hits the open market. It's a pretty big risk to wait if you truly want to make Tkachuk the face of your franchise.

Since Tkachuk doesn't have the benefit of a contract year Gaudreau helping him inflate his numbers with record PDO, the safe bet is on his value decreasing this coming season and becoming much more attainable next summer.

 

[PocketNines]

I don't see any way Kyrou is offered for Tkachuk. Consider what Kyrou could get if made available to the market. Calgary really and truly has minimal to no leverage here given the way Tkachuk camp teed it up.

I could see a scenario where the Blues pay 8M+ to Tkachuk-Thomas-Kyrou and don't offer ROR a big contract. It's also hard for ROR to be the captain when it will be treated like Tkachuk's team.

Again, I am not saying they should do this, I am saying it seems very believable that they will.

 

[MissouriMook]

I don't see any way Kyrou is offered for Tkachuk. Consider what Kyrou could get if made available to the market. Calgary really and truly has minimal to no leverage here given the way Tkachuk camp teed it up.

I could see a scenario where the Blues pay 8M+ to Tkachuk-Thomas-Kyrou and don't offer ROR a big contract. It's also hard for ROR to be the captain when it will be treated like Tkachuk's team.

Again, I am not saying they should do this, I am saying it seems very believable that they will.

We have 9 more years of Thomas as the #1C and 6 more years of Schenn as the #2C. I can see the logic in walking away from ROR if the price is going to need to be at or above his current AAV on a new deal. It would suck to lose him, but if we've learned anything about Army over the last 10 years it is that he will have no problem losing his captain again if that's what he has to do in order to get 8-9 of Tkachuk's prime years to replace 4-6 years of ROR's twilight. He's taken a lot of heat over the last week for not being more sentimental and letting Perron walk, but he is standing firm in his conviction of doing what he believes is necessary to build the best team he can build with the resources (cap space and trade capital) he has available.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I don't see any way Kyrou is offered for Tkachuk. Consider what Kyrou could get if made available to the market. Calgary really and truly has minimal to no leverage here given the way Tkachuk camp teed it up.

I could see a scenario where the Blues pay 8M+ to Tkachuk-Thomas-Kyrou and don't offer ROR a big contract. It's also hard for ROR to be the captain when it will be treated like Tkachuk's team.

Again, I am not saying they should do this, I am saying it seems very believable that they will.

Yeah, it's another very possible scenario, I don't think any of us should be banking on an O'Reilly extension. We've had Petro and Perron both walk, Tarasenko is likely inevitable, so ROR leaving shouldn't be a shock. Schenn steps into that #2 center spot, and we fully embrace an offensive first approach.

There was also this nugget, the he in the tweet is Tim Taylor. Blues wanting him at center doesn't mean he'll stick at center, but it's possible they see Bolduc as a do over on Thompson. Bolduc doesn't have that same type of size, but I could see them wanting to have a shooter type down the middle.

 

[MissouriMook]

Yeah, it's another very possible scenario, I don't think any of us should be banking on an O'Reilly extension. We've had Petro and Perron both walk, Tarasenko is likely inevitable, so ROR leaving shouldn't be a shock. Schenn steps into that #2 center spot, and we fully embrace an offensive first approach.

There was also this nugget, the he in the tweet is Tim Taylor Blues wanting him at center doesn't mean he'll stick at center, but it's possible they see Bolduc as a do over on Thompson. Bolduc doesn't have that same type of size, but I could see them wanting to have a shooter type down the middle.

The only flaw I see in that plan is that he seems like the perfect sniper to ride shotgun with Thomas for the first 7-9 years of his NHL career, hopefully more. Then again, I haven't seen much of this kid's play outside of highlights and it could be that they see him as more of a Tage Thompson/Jack Eichel style of player where they will thrive in the middle of the ice.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Yeah, it's another very possible scenario, I don't think any of us should be banking on an O'Reilly extension. We've had Petro and Perron both walk, Tarasenko is likely inevitable, so ROR leaving shouldn't be a shock. Schenn steps into that #2 center spot, and we fully embrace an offensive first approach.

There was also this nugget, the he in the tweet is Tim Taylor. Blues wanting him at center doesn't mean he'll stick at center, but it's possible they see Bolduc as a do over on Thompson. Bolduc doesn't have that same type of size, but I could see them wanting to have a shooter type down the middle.

So in 3 years they want
Tkachuk-Thomas-Kyrou
Saad-Schenn-Buch
Neighbors-Bolduc-Snuggles

 

[PocketNines]

So in 3 years they want
Tkachuk-Thomas-Kyrou
Saad-Schenn-Buch
Neighbors-Bolduc-Snuggles

Enough team defensive mindedness to compete against top contender lineup? Not sold at all this will be good enough.

 

[TK 421]

So in 3 years they want
Tkachuk-Thomas-Kyrou
Saad-Schenn-Buch
Neighbors-Bolduc-Snuggles

 

[LGB]

Yeah, it's another very possible scenario, I don't think any of us should be banking on an O'Reilly extension. We've had Petro and Perron both walk, Tarasenko is likely inevitable, so ROR leaving shouldn't be a shock. Schenn steps into that #2 center spot, and we fully embrace an offensive first approach.

There was also this nugget, the he in the tweet is Tim Taylor. Blues wanting him at center doesn't mean he'll stick at center, but it's possible they see Bolduc as a do over on Thompson. Bolduc doesn't have that same type of size, but I could see them wanting to have a shooter type down the middle.

Interesting. I thought he had played little to no center the last 2 years in junior.

 

[Stealth JD]

Free agency still has a couple of big fish awaiting homes (Klingberg, Kadri), but at some point trades are going to have to happen. I don't know if Army is even interested in changing the makeup of this squad via trade; he may just put Scandella, Mikkola or Bortuzzo on waivers and let whatever happens happen. But there are a few teams over the cap, or clearly in need of additional moves before the rosters are set for '22-'23. If those would go ahead and happen already, I could stop checking in on this cesspool every few hours. I feel like I need a tetanus shot after reading some of these off-season posts; especially the 'Official Doug Armstrong needs to go' thread. I've flushed things more appetizing than this board has offered the past few weeks. Yikes.

 

[Mike Liut]

I don't see any way Kyrou is offered for Tkachuk. Consider what Kyrou could get if made available to the market. Calgary really and truly has minimal to no leverage here given the way Tkachuk camp teed it up.

I could see a scenario where the Blues pay 8M+ to Tkachuk-Thomas-Kyrou and don't offer ROR a big contract. It's also hard for ROR to be the captain when it will be treated like Tkachuk's team.

Again, I am not saying they should do this, I am saying it seems very believable that they will.

I’m not sure how we are better trading Kyrou for Tkachuk. There’s no way I’m including Kyrou In that deal.

 

[sfvega]

Aside from needing a net-front presence and him wanting to be here, it seems like Tkachuk to us is kind of a square peg in a round hole IMO. The team needs, the cap situation, ROR basically being the identity of the game that we play rn. Not saying bigger changes haven't happened here, but it seems like we'll have to try REALLY hard to make it a fit here. This is the type of move DA would never make under normal circumstances. All of his financial commitments leave some wiggle room and flexibility. This wouldn't leave any.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Looks like Matt Tkachuk is going to Arbitration with Calgary.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Looks like Matt Tkachuk is going to Arbitration with Calgary.

Team elected arbitration so he’s no longer eligible for an offer sheet.