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Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 3

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Moose and Squirrel said:
has Kyrou done it more than once?

and honestly, contracts aside, I'd take Buch over Kyrou every day
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Kyrou did it at 23, Perron didn't do it until he was 32, Buchnevich until he was 26.

Kyrou did it in his 2nd full NHL year, Buch did it in his 5th, and Perron did it in his 14th.

Most players scoring at over a point per game making less than 5.5mil never scored at a PPG pace before they signed that contract, are in an ELC, or a bridge deal. Kyrou is going to demand at the lowest 7mil.
 
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BlueMed said:
Yeah, let's sign Perron for 4.75 M for 2 years leaving no cap room for Kyrou next year as an RFA only to have some random Canadian team like Calgary throw an offer-sheet at him that we can't match. Great idea.

It's Doug Armstrong's responsibility to think 2-3 steps ahead. I'm sorry most fans can't see that.
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*pulls out a megaphone since people don't seem to understand this is an option*

You do what it takes to trade Scandella and you sign both.

You aren't some genius to say "Hey guys, cap space exists, sorry you are too dumb to see that". Good GMs, especially of win now teams (Which we are), make bad contracts go away when we are trying to keep our cup window open. And if we had to trade a 2nd round pick to do that, then that is what you do. You don't let a first line caliber player walk for less then 5 million if you are trying to content, you re-work your roster to make it happens. And you certainly don't even make him a damned offer.
 
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Novacain said:
*pulls out a megaphone since people don't seem to understand this is an option*

You do what it takes to trade Scandella and you sign both.

You aren't some genius to say "Hey guys, cap space exists, sorry you are too dumb to see that". Good GMs, especially of win now teams (Which we are), make bad contracts go away when we are trying to keep our cup window open. And if we had to trade a 2nd round pick to do that, then that is what you do. You don't let a first line caliber player walk for less then 5 million if you are trying to content, you re-work your roster to make it happens. And you certainly don't even make him a damned offer.
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At this point, we need Scandella because we cannot trust Mikkola or Perunovich yet to even play the bottom pairing. After losing multiple defensemen in the playoffs, I don't think Army is going to be very keen on trading our LHD, the same position he has attempted to bolster by signing Leddy.
 
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At this point, we need Scandella because we cannot trust Mikkola or Perunovich yet to even play the bottom pairing. After losing multiple defensemen in the playoffs, I don't think Army is going to be very keen on trading our LHD, the same position he has attempted to bolster by signing Leddy.
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Not that it's the most important thing, but I believe Marco is only Quebecois on the roster. Could be helpful for Bolduc to have a French-Canadian on the team to help mentor him now that Perron is gone.
 
BlueMed said:
At this point, we need Scandella because we cannot trust Mikkola or Perunovich yet to even play the bottom pairing. After losing multiple defensemen in the playoffs, I don't think Army is going to be very keen on trading our LHD, the same position he has attempted to bolster by signing Leddy.
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Right. We can’t jettison Scandella without adding or even upgrading the left side.
 
ChicagoBlues said:
Don’t have any. LOL.

I’m terrible at trade proposals.

I agree with you that we can’t destabilize our LHD just because Scandella is a prime candidate to move.
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If there's a better D than Scandella, then I'm happy to make a trade for a guy like Sanheim. The problem is, there is no way for fans to know whether Army has already called Philly and offered them a generous trade proposal only to have their GM say no. Then fans will riot because they assume Army isn't doing anything. I just wish fans would give Army some benefit of the doubt. He's not Kyle Dubas, signing players to 11M dollar contracts.
 
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If Kyrou continues at this trajectory and production next season, I'll guess 7.5M x 8 as his next deal.

I think Perron didn't fit because of:
- need salary beyond next season for Kyrou's extension (prioritize Kyrou over Perron)
- need salary now for Leddy (prioritize LD over Perron)
- need a roster spot for one of the young guys (projected Neighbors)

Neighbors was available and is expected to be ready to play a top 9 wing spot. You can plug an ELC value into a veteran's spot, and apply that salary elsewhere. I disagree with the notion that the Blues should have traded a veteran D and left a hole in their defensive depth. We just got done seeing how defensive depth threatened the team's post-season chances. It will also be a hell of a lot easier to get a winger deadline rental for supplemental scoring if necessary, than a defenseman better than Leddy.

Perron is one of my all-time favorite players. I'm sad to see him go, but I read Armstrong's choices as pretty logical. I think he could probably have managed a one-year contract for Perron, but that's probably at the expense of Neighbor's to some degree. I just don't see how he could have offered enough to compete with the market at all. David will be a great addition to Detroit. That team may be fin to watch next season.
 
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last contracts they both signed were identical, even though Thomas is younger, plays center, is a better two way player, and had more time in the league
 
joe galiba said:
last contracts they both signed were identical, even though Thomas is younger, plays center, is a better two way player, and had more time in the league
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Thomas was coming off bad season last year. Giving him same contract was basically show of good faith. Which he rewarded. I’d like to see Kyrou come in below 8 AAV.
 
norris, suzuki, and svechnikov all signed for about 8m, just like Thomas, and Kyrou’s numbers and trajectory are right in line
I think he will get paid b/c he is good at offense and the fact that he could be better at other facets will not be that relevant
 
BlueMed said:
At this point, we need Scandella because we cannot trust Mikkola or Perunovich yet to even play the bottom pairing. After losing multiple defensemen in the playoffs, I don't think Army is going to be very keen on trading our LHD, the same position he has attempted to bolster by signing Leddy.
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Yes we can trust Mikkola on the bottom pair. He has proven that. So has Bortuzzo, and we need to see what Perunovich has. He’s about to be 24 and you still want to keep Scandella and block his playing time because you “can’t trust him?” I have concerns about Perunovich too but how are we going to find out if we trust him or not unless we give him games? If he sucks, it’s not hard to find a 3rd pairing D at the trade deadline.

Blueston said:
Not that it's the most important thing, but I believe Marco is only Quebecois on the roster. Could be helpful for Bolduc to have a French-Canadian on the team to help mentor him now that Perron is gone.
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Lol seriously? I’m pretty sure Bolduc speaks fluent English.

We have plenty of veterans to help him out. Keeping Scandella for that reason would be asinine.
 
BlueDream said:
Lol seriously? I’m pretty sure Bolduc speaks fluent English.

We have plenty of veterans to help him out. Keeping Scandella for that reason would be asinine.
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Do you? Nobody said Bolduc didn’t speak English. Just like how young Russians feel more comfortable with having Russian vets around, it’s not hard to envision 19 yo Bolduc would feel more comfortable with another Québécois.
 
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BlueDream said:
Yes we can trust Mikkola on the bottom pair. He has proven that. So has Bortuzzo, and we need to see what Perunovich has. He’s about to be 24 and you still want to keep Scandella and block his playing time because you “can’t trust him?” I have concerns about Perunovich too but how are we going to find out if we trust him or not unless we give him games? If he sucks, it’s not hard to find a 3rd pairing D at the trade deadline.


Lol seriously? I’m pretty sure Bolduc speaks fluent English.

We have plenty of veterans to help him out. Keeping Scandella for that reason would be asinine.
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I've been advocating trading Perunovich for a while. His skillset is redundant since we already have Krug. Ideally, we could use Scandella a bit more than we have before. He has shown periods of sound defensive play, and he played on the 2nd pairing in Minnesota with Dumba a few years ago. It's the turnovers and bad breakout passes that frustrate the coaching staff. And maybe Mikkola takes a step forward this year. That would be nice to see.
 
BlueMed said:
At this point, we need Scandella because we cannot trust Mikkola or Perunovich yet to even play the bottom pairing. After losing multiple defensemen in the playoffs, I don't think Army is going to be very keen on trading our LHD, the same position he has attempted to bolster by signing Leddy.
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I don’t buy this at all. Scandella is still a useful 3rd pairing caliber d-man but he’s not “needed”.

We have 8 NHL caliber d-men, 9 counting Rosen. I do think the Blues could use another guy or two slotted into the #9-11 d-man range but if they could trade Scandella (likely with a mid pick or prospect as a sweetener), they could then sign someone for a third of the cost (or less) who would be at about the same caliber of player Scandella currently is. They could then use that cap space for something else, either now or at the trade deadline.

I view free agency as a game of musical chairs. At the beginning, there seems to be plenty of chairs (roster spots league-wide), but as the music begins to stop, most of the chairs are then taken. Every summer, that then leaves numerous viable NHL players still unsigned and they start to see that there’s only a few chairs left. So they end up signing for less than they’ve been pursuing previously to get a chair and stay in the league. Army is an expert at buying low when guys wait too long to sign and price themselves out of the market until they panic and sign for near league minimum.

So in short, I am of the belief that we could absolutely get rid of Scandella and be just fine. In fact, we’d almost certainly be better off IMO.
 
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I've been advocating trading Perunovich for a while. His skillset is redundant since we already have Krug. Ideally, we could use Scandella a bit more than we have before. He has shown periods of sound defensive play, and he played on the 2nd pairing in Minnesota with Dumba a few years ago. It's the turnovers and bad breakout passes that frustrate the coaching staff. And maybe Mikkola takes a step forward this year. That would be nice to see.
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i think you should have redundant skillsets on a team, it is actually necessary
when the Avs lost Girard, they did not miss a beat, not because Girard isn’t good, but because they had a whole slew of guys with the same skillset
also, puck moving defenseman is where the game is going and giving up on a guy who dominated at lower levels and has barely played at the NHL level seems like it would be mismanagement of assets, especially given that Krug is the only other guy on the D with a similar set of skills
 
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