Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 3

[Celtic Note]

Why can’t people accept that Pietro was a top-10 defenseman with the Blues that wanted a contract the Blues weren’t willing to give? Why is it so goddamn hard to say that without trying to make one of the two parties seem lesser through revisionism? Honestly, that’s the most annoying thing whenever his name is brought up. Someone has to make up an enemy in the whole situation and justify it no matter how stupid it is.

In this day and age it’s all about Winning! I blame Charlie Sheen. He set the wheels in motion and all the crazies (read just about everyone) followed suit.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If Tkachuk wants to come to STL he can do so in UFA next season. But, I would not spend assets on him.

 

[Majorityof1]

With Johnny Gonedreau, Flames can’t afford to let Tkachuk walk too. Would you do something like Kyrou and Barbie for MT? Would they? Kyrou seems like would be perfect replacement for Johnny hockey and Barbie would be Tkachuk lite.

And they get more years of control. I know folks say we could just sign him as UFA, but that first supposes he reaches UFA and second that we can create the cap space. This guarantees both.

Thoughts?

I don't want Tkachuk even if we sign him as a free agent for no assets. He'll want too much money. If he is willing to sign @ $9M, absolutely, But he won't. He'll want $10.5-13M. I am not paying that for anyone short of McDavid.

I think Army takes it a bit to far, but I agree with the principle that you need a bunch of rich guys but no RICH guys. $10M+ breaks a cap structure. Under the cap, you win by having the most value positive contracts, not by having the 1 or two best players. Colorado won because of the value they got from McKinnon and Makar being underpaid. As they sign those guys to the contracts that reflect their value, they are going to lose depth and become far, far less dominate.

 

[Memento]

About Matthew Tkachuk: I don't want that f***ing rat anywhere near the Blues. My dad disagrees with me, but that's my feeling. I don't like rats. I didn't like Maxim Lapierre when he was with us. I disliked Ott (although I will admit, he's a hell of a coach and much better and more tolerable than he was as a player) when he was with us. I don't want to go with seven years at 10+ million per year for a f***ing rat.

 

[Vektor]

About Matthew Tkachuk: I don't want that f***ing rat anywhere near the Blues. My dad disagrees with me, but that's my feeling. I don't like rats. I didn't like Maxim Lapierre when he was with us. I disliked Ott (although I will admit, he's a hell of a coach and much better and more tolerable than he was as a player) when he was with us. I don't want to go with seven years at 10+ million per year for a f***ing rat.

Tell us how you really feel. If MT leaves Calgary id bet he ends up in Ottawa.

 

[The Note]

Apparently Gaudreau leaving has been framed as a family decision. Seems like he’s destined for NJ or PHI in that case. PHI would have to figure some things out cap wise - and really probably shouldn’t be signing JG at this point anyway - but if he wants to head home those are the two obvious fits. Maybe NYI.

 

[Xanadude]

Finally remembered my old password. Sup.

I wouldn't be shocked to see DA pull off some insane trade like he usually does (why do other GMs even answer the phone when he calls?), but I think it's more likely to see Leddy resigned to a 4 mil-ish a year deal, have some depth signings to sew up up the fourth line and sit tight. We can't afford to move out Tarasenko (offense-wise) if Perron leaves and Jake Neighbors seems like a good bet to get a full year to try and crack the top 6.

 

[DatDude44]

Not sure how to make this happen and I know it’s unrealistic video game type nonsense….but how fun would it be if…..

We move:
Krug For higher end picks/specs
Scandella for picks/specs
Tarasenko for higher end picks/specs

We return:
Chycrun (using pieces from those deals and maybe a Alexandrov or something)
Sign gaudreau around 9.5

Gives us about 12 mill in space and a long term of core of Gaudreau, ROR, Thomas,Buchnevich, Kyrou, schenn, Saad, neighbours, Bolduc, Snuggerud, Torpedo up front with chycrun, Faulk, Parayko, Perunovich, Mikkola etc…. To build around

And potential to retain Barbashev next year

 

[Xerloris]

With Johnny Gonedreau, Flames can’t afford to let Tkachuk walk too. Would you do something like Kyrou and Barbie for MT? Would they? Kyrou seems like would be perfect replacement for Johnny hockey and Barbie would be Tkachuk lite.

And they get more years of control. I know folks say we could just sign him as UFA, but that first supposes he reaches UFA and second that we can create the cap space. This guarantees both.

Thoughts?

I think MT will require to much money and that makes me not want him.

About Matthew Tkachuk: I don't want that f***ing rat anywhere near the Blues. My dad disagrees with me, but that's my feeling. I don't like rats. I didn't like Maxim Lapierre when he was with us. I disliked Ott (although I will admit, he's a hell of a coach and much better and more tolerable than he was as a player) when he was with us. I don't want to go with seven years at 10+ million per year for a f***ing rat.

It's sort of absurd to call MT a rat when there are actual players far far worse than he ever could be and he has the talent to back up what he does.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

About Matthew Tkachuk: I don't want that f***ing rat anywhere near the Blues. My dad disagrees with me, but that's my feeling. I don't like rats. I didn't like Maxim Lapierre when he was with us. I disliked Ott (although I will admit, he's a hell of a coach and much better and more tolerable than he was as a player) when he was with us. I don't want to go with seven years at 10+ million per year for a f***ing rat.

This is why Mellamby was brought on board.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I think MT will require to much money and that makes me not want him.


It's sort of absurd to call MT a rat when there are actual players far far worse than he ever could be and he has the talent to back up what he does.

I would expect if we acquire him we sign him to deal with AAV starting with a 9.

 

[Brian39]

I would expect if we acquire him we sign him to deal with AAV starting with a 9.

Why would you expect him to sign that deal?

I've never seen a player as vocal about maximizing earning potential as Matthew Tkachuk. He structured his current contract specifically to maximize that earning potential and give him 100% of the leverage in contract negotiations. His qualifying offer is $9M for a 1 year deal that would then walk him directly to UFA as a 25 year old. Given his age, the difference between a 7 year deal and an 8 year deal isn't all that significant because he will still very likely be able to command a nice payday at 32 years old when a 7 year deal would expire. He is perfectly set up from a negotiating standpoint.

Last season he was top 10 in goals, points, even strength goals, even strength points, and +/-. He's had fantastic possession numbers for years and he is more physical than almost every top-end point producer in the league. He is perfectly set up to get himself a top 5-10 contract on his next deal.

I would be less surprised if his next contract starts with a 12 than a 9. His realistic UFA value is high 10s or low-mid 11s. Maybe he wants to play in St. Louis, but I don't see him leaving $10-$15M on the table to do so. He has given every indication that players should try to get every possible dime and he will almost certainly have some gas left in the tank at 32 or 33 to come here as a UFA and finish out his career at home if that is what he wants to do.

 

[Joelhead]

Why would you expect him to sign that deal?

I've never seen a player as vocal about maximizing earning potential as Matthew Tkachuk. He structured his current contract specifically to maximize that earning potential and give him 100% of the leverage in contract negotiations. His qualifying offer is $9M for a 1 year deal that would then walk him directly to UFA as a 25 year old. Given his age, the difference between a 7 year deal and an 8 year deal isn't all that significant because he will still very likely be able to command a nice payday at 32 years old when a 7 year deal would expire. He is perfectly set up from a negotiating standpoint.

Last season he was top 10 in goals, points, even strength goals, even strength points, and +/-. He's had fantastic possession numbers for years and he is more physical than almost every top-end point producer in the league. He is perfectly set up to get himself a top 5-10 contract on his next deal.

I would be less surprised if his next contract starts with a 12 than a 9. His realistic UFA value is high 10s or low-mid 11s. Maybe he wants to play in St. Louis, but I don't see him leaving $10-$15M on the table to do so. He has given every indication that players should try to get every possible dime and he will almost certainly have some gas left in the tank at 32 or 33 to come here as a UFA and finish out his career at home if that is what he wants to do.

My dreams have been crushed. There's no need here for rational thought! This is a forum where we have rules. We make outlandish statements about what we want, then someone points out how foolish it is, then we get a backhoe because we couldn't dig ourselves deep enough with just a shovel.
Brian 39, you are a Crusher of Dreams. Kind of like Tanya Harding but without malice.

 

[Zezel’s Pretzels]

I don't want Tkachuk even if we sign him as a free agent for no assets. He'll want too much money. If he is willing to sign @ $9M, absolutely, But he won't. He'll want $10.5-13M. I am not paying that for anyone short of McDavid.

I think Army takes it a bit to far, but I agree with the principle that you need a bunch of rich guys but no RICH guys. $10M+ breaks a cap structure. Under the cap, you win by having the most value positive contracts, not by having the 1 or two best players. Colorado won because of the value they got from McKinnon and Makar being underpaid. As they sign those guys to the contracts that reflect their value, they are going to lose depth and become far, far less dominate.

spot on

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Why would you expect him to sign that deal?

I've never seen a player as vocal about maximizing earning potential as Matthew Tkachuk. He structured his current contract specifically to maximize that earning potential and give him 100% of the leverage in contract negotiations. His qualifying offer is $9M for a 1 year deal that would then walk him directly to UFA as a 25 year old. Given his age, the difference between a 7 year deal and an 8 year deal isn't all that significant because he will still very likely be able to command a nice payday at 32 years old when a 7 year deal would expire. He is perfectly set up from a negotiating standpoint.

Last season he was top 10 in goals, points, even strength goals, even strength points, and +/-. He's had fantastic possession numbers for years and he is more physical than almost every top-end point producer in the league. He is perfectly set up to get himself a top 5-10 contract on his next deal.

I would be less surprised if his next contract starts with a 12 than a 9. His realistic UFA value is high 10s or low-mid 11s. Maybe he wants to play in St. Louis, but I don't see him leaving $10-$15M on the table to do so. He has given every indication that players should try to get every possible dime and he will almost certainly have some gas left in the tank at 32 or 33 to come here as a UFA and finish out his career at home if that is what he wants to do.

If he wants to come to the Lou that is what it would look like. Army ain’t paying him 12mm a year. Nor should he. If he wants that he will go elsewhere.

 

[PJJJP]

It's interesting we haven't heard anything about Scandella but we have heard stuff about Krug. I would assume we would've been shopping him first

 

[bleedblue1223]

It's interesting we haven't heard anything about Scandella but we have heard stuff about Krug. I would assume we would've been shopping him first

I'd assume both were/are being shopped. Not much leaks out of Army and the Blues, so we never really have the full picture.

 

[Reality Czech]

I'm also concerned about plenty of things with the team over the next year, especially how they're going to handle their UFA's, but I just want to address the Krug+Pietrangelo thing.

It was already evening and Pietrangelo was in Las Vegas when the Blues signed Krug. The way Pietro's camp framed how he was shocked they signed Krug is one of the flimsiest attempts at image-spinning I've ever seen. The dude was almost certainly gone and was holding the Blues hostage. You may not buy Armstrong's claim that they were still interested in Pietrangelo and they'd have to make some creative moves to make it work; but if Pietrangelo truly was shocked, then he intended to stay with the Blues all along, and some combination of his own naivety and the game of chicken his agent dragged him into is the source of his shock.

Truth. I never fully trusted Petro after I heard how cheap he was and rarely spent money on the boys as well-paid veteran players usually do.

They had a year to get a deal done, I'm not buying the whole "Petro was surprised we signed Krug" story. Both sides have to play the PR game.

 

[Eldon Reid]

Well I see a team will be making trade with Arizona or Anaheim for sure unless they have big signing planned.

Arizona currently has 22 players signed and are almost 5 million under the cap floor.
Anaheim currently has 15 players signed and are 14 million under the cap floor.

 

[PocketNines]

Well I see a team will be making trade with Arizona or Anaheim for sure unless they have big signing planned.

Arizona currently has 22 players signed and are almost 5 million under the cap floor.
Anaheim currently has 15 players signed and are 14 million under the cap floor.

This is precisely why the Scandella Weasel Arizona poster (rt) always asks for Scandella in the deal and then charges the Blues extra to take Scandella.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

It's gonna be funny seeing Perron traded back to the Blues next season.

 

[joe galiba]

I like Perron, but I have seen lots of Blues players I like leave
it happens
the Blues traded Gary Unger for Ed Kea, as a 14 year old fan that was WAY worse than this

 

[eibyyz]

It's gonna be funny seeing Perron traded back to the Blues next season.

DET is 5-55 at the deadline, Yzerman gone, fire sale.

 

[WeWentBlues]

Can we trade next year's 1st to Detroit for Perron and Sunny at 50% retained? Please?

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Can we trade next year's 1st to Detroit for Perron and Sunny at 50% retained? Please?

I don't believe we could get retention on Sunny due to the CBA, but otherwise, I'm in