Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 3

[STL fan in MN]

I've been advocating trading Perunovich for a while. His skillset is redundant since we already have Krug. Ideally, we could use Scandella a bit more than we have before. He has shown periods of sound defensive play, and he played on the 2nd pairing in Minnesota with Dumba a few years ago. It's the turnovers and bad breakout passes that frustrate the coaching staff. And maybe Mikkola takes a step forward this year. That would be nice to see.

I know I just disagreed with you on Scandella so let me preface this by saying I’m not trying to pick on you…

…but I completely disagree with you on Perunovich as well. IMO, this would be the absolute worst time to trade Perunovich. With his 2 injuries, his trade value would be low. AND in the little he has played, he’s shown great promise. And he’s making league minimum. I’m not selling low to give up great potential value like that!

I’ve seen this Krug/Perunovich redundancy thing referenced many times and I just don’t see it…at least not yet. They have similar attributes but there’s no issue with having both at the moment. For now, have each one QB the 2 PP units - what a great problem to have!

What we need to see from Perunovich is if he can stay healthy and if, via the typical learning curve that comes with experience from young players, see if he can improve his D game to where he can be an everyday 3rd pairing caliber d-man and not just a PP specialist. I see no reason why he can’t, just like so many young d-men before him did.

 

[BlueMed]

I know I just disagreed with you on Scandella so let me preface this by saying I’m not trying to pick on you…

…but I completely disagree with you on Perunovich as well. IMO, this would be the absolute worst time to trade Perunovich. With his 2 injuries, his trade value would be low. AND in the little he has played, he’s shown great promise. And he’s making league minimum. I’m not selling low to give up great potential value like that!

I’ve seen this Krug/Perunovich redundancy thing referenced many times and I just don’t see it…at least not yet. They have similar attributes but there’s no issue with having both at the moment. For now, have each one QB the 2 PP units - what a great problem to have!

What we need to see from Perunovich is if he can stay healthy and if, via the typical learning curve that comes with experience from young players, see if he can improve his D game to where he can be an everyday 3rd pairing caliber d-man and not just a PP specialist. I see no reason why he can’t, just like so many young d-men before him did.

They're basically the same player. Both are 5'9 left-handed power play specialists who cannot defend during even strength. The height aspect isn't really the problem. Jared Spurgeon is also 5'9 who can defend really well, but Krug is flat out slow and Perunovich is very raw. This team needs to be better 5 on 5. Ever since we got Krug, we became more like the power play dependent Bruins.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

They're basically the same player. Both are 5'9 left-handed power play specialists who cannot defend during even strength. The height aspect isn't really the problem. Jared Spurgeon is also 5'9 who can defend really well, but Krug is flat out slow and Perunovich is very raw. This team needs to be better 5 on 5. Ever since we got Krug, we became more like the Bruins-powerplay dependent.

Krug is a lot better defensively than Perunovich at this point. He can play just fine in somewhat sheltered defensive usage and is great on the PP. Perunovich is good on the PP, but there's nowhere to hide his defensive deficiencies at this point.

I think he'll improve and grow in that area, but I don't think they're interchangeable yet (as some on the board are stating).

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Krug is a lot better defensively than Perunovich at this point. He can play just fine in somewhat sheltered defensive usage and is great on the PP. Perunovich is good on the PP, but there's nowhere to hide his defensive deficiencies at this point.

I think he'll improve and grow in that area, but I don't think they're interchangeable yet (as some on the board are stating).

Krug gets crapped on a lot here but he is good player. We are clearly better with him in lineup. But is he best use of cap hit given how tight we are and who else is here? That I doubt.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Krug gets crapped on a lot here but he is good player. We are clearly better with him in lineup. But his he best use of cap hit given how tight we are and who else is here? That I doubt.

I could still see Krug being moved, maybe even this offseason, but I think trading him is not an easy move. The Blues' gaudy PP stats last season are a good sales pitch for Krug, but he has to approve a trade if it comes to that. If Perunovich can be 3rd pairing solid on defense, and run the PP close to as well as Krug (that's a big job) being able to get him on the roster for ELC dollars helps the roster configuration a lot.

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

While I would love to see the Blues have two lethal PP QB’s in Krug/Perunovich, I just don’t think it works at 5v5 very well for us. I think about how bad our defense was in 20-21 when we had to shelter both Krug and Dunn, and I’d put Dunn ahead of Perunovich on the defensive side so far.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Krug is a lot better defensively than Perunovich at this point. He can play just fine in somewhat sheltered defensive usage and is great on the PP. Perunovich is good on the PP, but there's nowhere to hide his defensive deficiencies at this point.

I think he'll improve and grow in that area, but I don't think they're interchangeable yet (as some on the board are stating).

Instead of replying to BlueMed, l’ll simply say I agree with this as this is pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

Krug is just fine in the top-4. Perunovich could get there but he’s still learning. Maybe they become redundant at some point if Perunovich continues to progress and thus his future salary/cap hit will necessitate moving one of them but they’re fine as is.

And I’m sure there will be plenty of games where Perunovich sits and Mikkola-Borts are the 3rd pairing. It’s a good problem to have.

I’ll also add that now that the Blues have re-signed Mikkola for $1.9M, they’re going to need to clear some room to get under the Cap. So now it makes even more sense to trade Scandella. The two glaring suspects to create that room are either Scandella or Barbashev and I’d much rather it be Scandella.

 

[BlueDream]

Do you? Nobody said Bolduc didn’t speak English. Just like how young Russians feel more comfortable with having Russian vets around, it’s not hard to envision 19 yo Bolduc would feel more comfortable with another Québécois.

Lmao. Yeah let’s pay Scandella 3.25M just because he’s from Quebec, that’s absolutely genius.

He’s not worth keeping because of that, that’s just not a good point at all.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Lmao. Yeah let’s pay Scandella 3.25M just because he’s from Quebec, that’s absolutely genius.

He’s not worth keeping because of that, that’s just not a good point at all.

Please. I never said that we should keep him only because of that, just that it was a factor in his favor.

 

[BlueDream]

Please. I never said that we should keep him only because of that, just that it was a factor in his favor.

An extremely small one that is really not even a factor at all and shouldn’t even be mentioned.

 

[sfvega]

Please. I never said that we should keep him only because of that, just that it was a factor in his favor.

I don't think it'll have much bearing. Bolduc probably isn't up full-time until next season and by then Scandella should be gone. Russian is a very strong language barrier, and has more cultural differences. Bolduc will probably find more comfort in guys around his own age, with similar interests, who have recently gone through the same transitions, and play C/W like Thomas, Kyrou, Brown etc than a guy in his 30's.

 

[Zachary Hines]

In my opinion we can't go into the season with scandella He has to go. While he is still a very serviceable player and not terrible he is just making to much and blocking Perunovich and Miko.

We obviously have Krug and Faulk
Leddy and CP55
Miko, Perunovich/Bortz
Unless we make a bigger move and trade Krug.

 

[Dougs Burner]

I think Kyrou will be extended with a number starting with a 6. I could see a 7 if he gets an 8 year extension.
I could see a 6 year $40M contract for him.
He is a great player, but he is pretty 1-Dimensional.
He has game breaking speed, but to be honest, I didn't see that lead to too many goals this year.
He is not an unbelievable goal scorer nor passer. He is great at both tho.

I can't help but to think back to the insane MacKinnon goal in the playoffs.
Granted he had been on the ice for almost a minute but I would have liked to see a little more effort there.

Anyone have a @JFreshHockey card for Kyrou?

 

[bleedblue1223]

No chance Kyrou signs something with a 6 on an 8 year deal. At the low-end you're looking at guys like Keller or Connor, but even those deals are few years old now. At a minimum it'll be something in the mid/high 7s on an 8 year deal.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I think Kyrou will be extended with a number starting with a 6. I could see a 7 if he gets an 8 year extension.
I could see a 6 year $40M contract for him.
He is a great player, but he is pretty 1-Dimensional.
He has game breaking speed, but to be honest, I didn't see that lead to too many goals this year.
He is not an unbelievable goal scorer nor passer. He is great at both tho.

I can't help but to think back to the insane MacKinnon goal in the playoffs.
Granted he had been on the ice for almost a minute but I would have liked to see a little more effort there.

Anyone have a @JFreshHockey card for Kyrou?

I don't have Jfresh (his last one for Kyrou was right after signing his bridge deal) but here's The Athletic's

 

[Eldon Reid]

No chance Kyrou signs something with a 6 on an 8 year deal. At the low-end you're looking at guys like Keller or Connor, but even those deals are few years old now. At a minimum it'll be something in the mid/high 7s on an 8 year deal.

I think the only thing this does is ensure Kyrou won't get more than Thomas. I think that makes Kyrou worth about 7.25 at low end if he has ok year and upwards of 8 mill (Not sure he gets 8, but I think he gets like 7.8 7.9 mill) if he has another season like last year.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Kyrou is going to get 7.5mil at the lowest

 

[ValHaller]

I think Kyrou will be extended with a number starting with a 6. I could see a 7 if he gets an 8 year extension.
I could see a 6 year $40M contract for him.
He is a great player, but he is pretty 1-Dimensional.
He has game breaking speed, but to be honest, I didn't see that lead to too many goals this year.
He is not an unbelievable goal scorer nor passer. He is great at both tho.

I can't help but to think back to the insane MacKinnon goal in the playoffs.
Granted he had been on the ice for almost a minute but I would have liked to see a little more effort there.

Anyone have a @JFreshHockey card for Kyrou?

 

[ValHaller]

Here are a few more that may be interesting or relevant.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I don't have Jfresh (his last one for Kyrou was right after signing his bridge deal) but here's The Athletic's

Do they have these Market Value projections for every player?

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

I think Kyrou will be extended with a number starting with a 6. I could see a 7 if he gets an 8 year extension.
I could see a 6 year $40M contract for him.
He is a great player, but he is pretty 1-Dimensional.
He has game breaking speed, but to be honest, I didn't see that lead to too many goals this year.
He is not an unbelievable goal scorer nor passer. He is great at both tho.

I can't help but to think back to the insane MacKinnon goal in the playoffs.
Granted he had been on the ice for almost a minute but I would have liked to see a little more effort there.

Anyone have a @JFreshHockey card for Kyrou?

yeah, this is where I'm at with him as well.

guess if ya just look at the #'s you could say 7-8m easy. but actually watching him play gets a bit maddening at times. with the tools he has, he could easily be a better 2way player

and I'd like to see him take a clue from Thomas and hit the gym

don't get me wrong, I really like JK, but I'm not sure I value him as high as others

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Do they have these Market Value projections for every player?

The Athletic? Yes

 

[ezcreepin]

I think Kyrou will be extended with a number starting with a 6. I could see a 7 if he gets an 8 year extension.
I could see a 6 year $40M contract for him.
He is a great player, but he is pretty 1-Dimensional.
He has game breaking speed, but to be honest, I didn't see that lead to too many goals this year.
He is not an unbelievable goal scorer nor passer. He is great at both tho.

I can't help but to think back to the insane MacKinnon goal in the playoffs.
Granted he had been on the ice for almost a minute but I would have liked to see a little more effort there.

Anyone have a @JFreshHockey card for Kyrou?

What? He may not be a defensive wizard like ROR or Bergeron, but he is most definitely not 1-dimensional. He regularly used his speed and good stick to take pucks away from opposing players and would generally start a rush chance off of that. He's never going to wow you from a physical standpoint, but the issue with him is consistency. When he is playing consistent hockey, he is backchecking well, using speed to create chances, and scoring goals.

Also, he IS a pretty unbelievable scorer. Most people said he had a weak shot and would probably never score 20 goals, but in his first full season, he scored at a 20 goal clip. His next year he nearly topped 30 goals (22 EVG). Also, he may not have the no-look passing of Thomas, but he is undeniably a fantastic passer. Compared to his peers in the passing department:
Even Strength Assists
McDavid - 45
Kaprizov - 44
Panarin - 42
Marner - 42
MacKinnon - 36
Makar - 33
Kyrou - 33
Crosby - 31
Fox - 29

All of who (besides Crosby and Mac) played equal to or more games than Kyrou. These guys also greatly surpassed Kyrou in ice-time and it's not even close. When you look at his G/60 and A/60, he sits a little bit outside the top 20, but this includes centers, wingers, and defenseman. When you look at his A1/60, he is definitively in the top 10 in the league. He is in the top 20 in P/60 for all players. So I don't really know where this idea that he is only good or great at these things rather than elite comes from. He and Thomas are elite players given their playing time. The only argument for Thomas earning more than Kyrou is that he plays center and kills penalties regularly.

 

[joe galiba]

yeah, this is where I'm at with him as well.

guess if ya just look at the #'s you could say 7-8m easy. but actually watching him play gets a bit maddening at times. with the tools he has, he could easily be a better 2way player

and I'd like to see him take a clue from Thomas and hit the gym

don't get me wrong, I really like JK, but I'm not sure I value him as high as others

it is like watching MLB player who hits for power and walks, and is athletic enough to be better defensively and hit for better average
it leaves you wanting more

those guys get paid, as what they do well outweighs what they don't and is in high demand

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

yeah, this is where I'm at with him as well.

guess if ya just look at the #'s you could say 7-8m easy. but actually watching him play gets a bit maddening at times. with the tools he has, he could easily be a better 2way player

and I'd like to see him take a clue from Thomas and hit the gym

don't get me wrong, I really like JK, but I'm not sure I value him as high as others

You’re not wrong, but market dictates if he signs for 8 years he ain’t taking less than $7mm per. And could hit $8mm.

And unless you think he is going to massively regress (and I don’t), he won’t get cheaper if you wait until next summer. And if you do think he will massively regress should probably just deal him now before everyone else figures that out.