Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 1

[Blanick]

If Scandella has Arizona on his no-trade list, I'm warming to the idea of Sundqvist being the money that gets moved to acquire Chychrun. He hasn't really looked the same this year (can't really blame him for that) and has shown to be replaceable on the ice with the depth we have in the organization.

Blues could then flip Scandella to a team that isn't on his list to provide additional cap relief.

I have always seen the 7 team no trade list as the "I don't want to go to Canada" list but I guess there is a chance he could see the writing on the wall and purposely submit Arizona to block the trade. I am of the mind that I do not want to trade Sundqvist. He hasn't been as good as years past but you have to remember he is coming off of knee surgery so I am happy to give him time and IMHO his game has been trending up lately. He is player that you need on your team come playoff time.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I have always seen the 7 team no trade list as the "I don't want to go to Canada" list but I guess there is a chance he could see the writing on the wall and purposely submit Arizona to block the trade. I am of the mind that I do not want to trade Sundqvist. He hasn't been as good as years past but you have to remember he is coming off of knee surgery so I am happy to give him time and IMHO his game has been trending up lately. He is player that you need on your team come playoff time.

Problem is if we trade Scandella it doesn’t get us enough cap room for any of these defensemen we want. For a rental can probably get team to retain without much cost, but for guy with term that becomes much bigger issue. Somebody else making above $2mm has to go. We thought it would be tank but he has played so well that we don’t want to deal him during season. So who does that leave? Sunny is logical candidate bc he only has 1 year left after this and we have played well in his absence.

 

[Blanick]

Problem is if we trade Scandella it doesn’t get us enough cap room for any of these defensemen we want. For a rental can probably get team to retain without much cost, but for guy with term that becomes much bigger issue. Somebody else making above $2mm has to go. We thought it would be tank but he has played so well that we don’t want to deal him during season. So who does that leave? Sunny is logical candidate bc he only has 1 year left after this and we have played well in his absence.

Not necessarily, two names that have often come up in the potential trades are Perunovich or Kostin which would ease the cap burden a bit. There is also always injury throughout the year but when fully healthy you could drop a guy like Walman down and that should be just enough to fit according to capfriendly. DA has been a master at manipulating cap throughout the years so I am not all that worried about it.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Not necessarily, two names that have often come up in the potential trades are Perunovich or Kostin which would ease the cap burden a bit. There is also always injury throughout the year but when fully healthy you could drop a guy like Walman down and that should be just enough to fit according to capfriendly. DA has been a master at manipulating cap throughout the years so I am not all that worried about it.

You only save few hundred k by sending down those 2 and calling up someone cheaper. Not sure that running short roster is viable long term solution.

 

[BlueDream]

Sundqvist IMO could be expendable because the guy’s body just takes such a beating. Obviously the way he plays makes him an effective player but it’s unreal how bad of injury luck he has lol. His face is like a magnet for high sticks. If a puck gets deflected, you just know that somehow it will find its way to hit Sundqvist. It’s crazy, but he’s a guy that’s always gonna have injury issues unfortunately.

 

[PocketNines]

Scandella is from Quebec so I don't see why he'd automatically eliminate his entire home nation. But Arizona is probably on it so Brian's suggested workaround might be the only way to get him into this trade to Arizona. Also, remember if the Blues trade a player who is currently on the roster but who makes near minimum such as Kostin or Perunovich, he is going to be replaced by a player who likely makes near minimum and so it'll be a near-wash.

 

[PocketNines]

If Anaheim lands Chychrun, I'd be very curious what that means for Lindholm. Do they move him as a rental to bring back some assets, keep him and let him walk, or try to extend him. Anaheim becoming competitive and looking like a playoff team certainly changes things. I could also see them being a team interested in Tarasenko at the draft.

From PURELY an on-ice impact for the next 2 playoffs which is the golden window IF they get a top pair LD, I'd be just as happy with Lindholm as Chychrun. Chychrun extends the window a little more than does Lindholm, but we never thought Chychrun would be available and Lindholm had been the #1 target before Anaheim improved enough to quiet talk of them selling. He'd be cheaper to acquire for sure. But I'd rather pay the extra assets if it opens the Cup window longer which is what makes Chychrun so appealing.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Scandella is from Quebec so I don't see why he'd automatically eliminate his entire home nation. But Arizona is probably on it so Brian's suggested workaround might be the only way to get him into this trade to Arizona. Also, remember if the Blues trade a player who is currently on the roster but who makes near minimum such as Kostin or Perunovich, he is going to be replaced by a player who likely makes near minimum and so it'll be a near-wash.

Meaning, a separate deal? Right?

 

[PocketNines]

Meaning, a separate deal? Right?

Could you bold the part of this you're referring to?

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Could you bold the part of this you're referring to?

No. I don't want to look for his post. Was hoping you'd remember.

I remember something about trading Scandella in a separate deal might be the best way to facilitate a Chychrun trade.
Something like this.

I could go to the store, but I think they're out of member berries.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

If we hypothetically trade Perunovich? Do we eat any potential bonuses he met while with the Blues, or is it all a burden of his new team?

Just wondering as we might see overages between Bozak and Perunovich

 

[PocketNines]

It's like 2-3 pages back if what you were referring to was Brian's suggestion. It wasn't clear what was being asked.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

It's like 2-3 pages back if what you were referring to was Brian's suggestion. It wasn't clear what was being asked.

Shit. Maybe it was you who suggested a Scandella deal separate from Chychrun. I just read a post of yours that rings a bell.

I saw the weasel waiver idea. Not savory, but I’ll take it.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

In a vacuum, if the Blues were simply selling Scandella as a veteran depth defender at the deadline, what is he worth in picks? The Blues paid a 2d round pick and conditional 4th for him then extended him. But he was on an expiring deal when that happened and we are in a flat-cap world now. Maybe a team would pay a 2d rounder for him now. Or a 3d+4th to give an extra dart to Bill Armstrong. If the Coyotes did retain max on Chychrun and it cost an additional Blues 2d (in 2023) then the Coyotes could wind up with something like this net return:

Blues get:
Chychrun at 50%

Coyotes get:
Neighbors
Kostin/Perunovich whichever Bill A prefers
1st round 2022 (Blues)
2d round 2023 (Blues)
3d round 2022 (team that gets Scandella)
4th round 2022 (team that gets Scandella)

People would say Bill Armstrong got a big return. But the Blues would be getting Chychrun, a top pair defenseman who has high upside for 2.3M for games 325-600 of his career and the window that would help open the Blues' competitive window BIG TIME. Neighbors and that 1st would hurt to lose but they'd still have Kostin or Perunovich, Bolduc, and they'd go back to having 1st rounders after this year.

EDIT: optimism that the retention costs only a 2d is likely wild optimism

This might be what I thought of. Might’ve been you. But this conversation is in multiple threads. Could be elsewhere. I like the idea of a separate Scandella deal.

 

[rumrokh]

I haven't been keeping up with the trade talk 'round these parts, so maybe the issue of Chiarot has been covered (I know the latest talk is Chychrun-centric). Forgive me if this is beating a dead horse.

But the talk of the Blues giving up anything significant for that guy is spooky. Feast your eyes on the latest highlights:



Four spots in particular. His play on the second and third Boston goals (2:13 and 2:59 in the video) and then his play on Boston's chances around the 11 minute mark and 9 minute mark of the 3rd period (6:53 and 7:52).

I only caught these highlights, but I have watched several Montreal games this season because a family friend is a Canadiens fan, and this has been a nightly thing for Chiarot in the games I've watched since the beginning of the season. So it's not just like he recently decided not to care because of their bad season and he expects to be traded. No, he's been playing like this from the beginning of the season and it's one of the reasons they're bad.

The dude's play is dogshit and I wouldn't even want to trade a third rounder for him, let alone the first rounder talk I've seen. Maybe he'd look different on a different team, but if the Blues acquire him, I'll be shocked if he's better than Scandella or Mikkola.

 

[BlueMed]

Once I believed Parayko's ceiling was Shea Weber. But that was wrong, he is basically Jay Bouwmeester 2.0 with a heavier slap shot. And that is a player you are happy to give the contract Parayko just got. The only real danger is when a GM pronounces a core player to have potential beyond what he has, because the GM just did something where he now needs the player to be that thing. Although the contract is NOT a #1 defenseman's contract, it was never feasible to simply announce Parayko into the #1 role. Although he towers over Eric "always skate the puck behind the opponent's net, always fall down and always turn the puck over and always give up a 5-on 4 the other way" Brewer, he does not have much innate skill past the opponent's blue line. He has the shot. Once a season he will make some deft backhand move to the net that works. Fans incorrectly expect #1 performance from him, so you can already see the day coming when he's thrown into trade ideas. He is a minutes eater like Bouwmeester and a very large fast shutdown player like Bouwmeester. He is a core player. But you need a real defensive captain above him to make it all work and they do not have that player. Chychrun ABSOLUTELY should be that player and he is the only player in the NHL that remotely fits the Blues window who would be available. The Blues could challenge Tampa with Chychrun. (I see Tampa as a clear standard deviation ahead of the NHL and easily its best team.)

Parayko may not fit the Shea Weber mold, but there's no reason to believe he couldn't play a Pronger or Chara type role. Looking back at Boston in 2011, they didn't have an offensive dynamo on their D core. They played shut down defense with sound goaltending and let their forward group win by strong committee. Parayko just needs to be more physical and utilize his shot more often. He already has the velocity.

 

[rumrokh]

Parayko may not fit the Shea Weber mold, but there's no reason to believe he couldn't play a Chara type role. Looking back at Boston in 2011, they didn't have an offensive dynamo on their D core. They played shut down defense with sound goaltending and let their forward group win by strong committee. Parayko just needs to utilize his shot more often. He already has the velocity.

Chara was way better than Parayko has any hope of being. The only thing Weber had on him was goal-scoring. Chara was a more dominant defensive player and still racked up about as many points in that era.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I haven't been keeping up with the trade talk 'round these parts, so maybe the issue of Chiarot has been covered (I know the latest talk is Chychrun-centric). Forgive me if this is beating a dead horse.

But the talk of the Blues giving up anything significant for that guy is spooky. Feast your eyes on the latest highlights:



Four spots in particular. His play on the second and third Boston goals (2:13 and 2:59 in the video) and then his play on Boston's chances around the 11 minute mark and 9 minute mark of the 3rd period (6:53 and 7:52).

I only caught these highlights, but I have watched several Montreal games this season because a family friend is a Canadiens fan, and this has been a nightly thing for Chiarot in the games I've watched since the beginning of the season. So it's not just like he recently decided not to care because of their bad season and he expects to be traded. No, he's been playing like this from the beginning of the season and it's one of the reasons they're bad.

The dude's play is dogshit and I wouldn't even want to trade a third rounder for him, let alone the first rounder talk I've seen. Maybe he'd look different on a different team, but if the Blues acquire him, I'll be shocked if he's better than Scandella or Mikkola.

Looked like he just floats and doesn’t have much compete in him.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Parayko may not fit the Shea Weber mold, but there's no reason to believe he couldn't play a Pronger or Chara type role. Looking back at Boston in 2011, they didn't have an offensive dynamo on their D core. They played shut down defense with sound goaltending and let their forward group win by strong committee. Parayko just needs to be more physical and utilize his shot more often. He already has the velocity.

I don't even know what a Pronger/Chara type role means if you are differentiating it from a Weber mold. Both of those players were putting up 10+ goals and 40+ points for the bulk of their careers and into their mid/late 30s. Parayko has failed to show an ability to hit the offensive abilities of any of those 3. I'm pretty sure we all reasonably assumed his shot would become a weapon like Weber's and Chara's, but that really hasn't happened.

 

[PocketNines]

This might be what I thought of. Might’ve been you. But this conversation is in multiple threads. Could be elsewhere. I like the idea of a separate Scandella deal.

I was asking if Scandella would have standalone trade value to a different team. I don't have a specific team or return in mind, or a proposal to suggest.

 

[BlueOil]

I haven't been keeping up with the trade talk 'round these parts, so maybe the issue of Chiarot has been covered (I know the latest talk is Chychrun-centric). Forgive me if this is beating a dead horse.

But the talk of the Blues giving up anything significant for that guy is spooky. Feast your eyes on the latest highlights:



Four spots in particular. His play on the second and third Boston goals (2:13 and 2:59 in the video) and then his play on Boston's chances around the 11 minute mark and 9 minute mark of the 3rd period (6:53 and 7:52).

I only caught these highlights, but I have watched several Montreal games this season because a family friend is a Canadiens fan, and this has been a nightly thing for Chiarot in the games I've watched since the beginning of the season. So it's not just like he recently decided not to care because of their bad season and he expects to be traded. No, he's been playing like this from the beginning of the season and it's one of the reasons they're bad.

The dude's play is dogshit and I wouldn't even want to trade a third rounder for him, let alone the first rounder talk I've seen. Maybe he'd look different on a different team, but if the Blues acquire him, I'll be shocked if he's better than Scandella or Mikkola.

he's definitely not worth what montreal is asking for him. i would hope they fail to trade him at that price. the blues had no trouble walking through him in 2019 on the way to the cup and i imagine he'll continue to get walked even on the blues. i agree, it's questionable whether he's any better than scandella.

 

[PocketNines]

I would offer "future considerations" for Chairot so he could be on the taxi squad, but that's the limit. If Montreal said yes then I would try to get out of it. I'd argue that my "future considerations" offer was a jest offer and they cannot accept it.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Chiarot would be fine under certain situations, but right now, I don't see him as an upgrade over Scandella or Mikkola. At a bare minimum not enough of an upgrade to give a 1st or a 2nd for him. I don't see Army being interested in him unless we get slammed with injuries.

 

[PocketNines]

Chychrun – will cost the most but this blue chip impact LD potentially extends Blues window to compete for the Stanley Cup, and that's so far and away the most important thing in hockey competition. Tarasenko might actively want to stay for this. Makes the Blues a top contender (the extra $ is useful when spent) for at least two seasons.

Lindholm – Cheaper to acquire if available, would fit on the team after some roster reworking. Have to re-sign him for it to make sense. Tarasenko's salary is the first offseason casualty. Makes the Blues a real contender this year for sure, again the most important thing.

Giordano – I want to believe he is saving something for one final run ala Ray Bourque-lite. I see him as a pure rental (unless he wants to sign a cheap 1-year deal to try two runs with this group). While I want to believe he would be impactful, it's risky and a 1st is a lot for a single year.

Chairot – lol come on man, we are trying to win the Cup. The Stanley Cup.

Leddy – How much better than Scandella is this guy, really?

 

[bleedblue1223]

Full pass on Leddy too, he just doesn't fit the style of defenseman we need.