Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 1

[Seattlebjprice]

No Way I'm trading Thomas or Kyrou.

the cost of a top pairing at 23 at 4.6 AAV will be a TON.

 

[bleedblue1223]

On some level, I'd be worried about Chychrun only having 1 season of quality offensive production. If last season was an outlier, and he's more of just a 35 point defenseman, and we overpay because of his perceived value due to low cap hit, then it would be a bad trade IMO.

That's not me talking myself out of Chychrun if he actually becomes a viable option, just something to consider. And for the record, I don't see Arizona trading him within the division or us trading those type of assets within the division.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

the cost of a top pairing at 23 at 4.6 AAV will be a TON.

Cool, and I don't want to pay pay the price for Chychrun. I'd rather look elsewhere. Thomas and Kyrou weren't on the table for RoR. They sure as hell won't be for Chychrun.

 

[67Blues]

Would u do 1st 2022, 2nd 2023, and Robert Thomas (or perunovich, or Kyrou) for Jacob Chychrun?


what if you had to do that and also toss in Bolduc? Or Neighbors?

Ory, Schenn, Sunny, and Barby + Bozak up the middle still if Robthom is moved.

I wouldn't trade Thomas or Kyrou straight up for Chychrun let alone add those picks. Not that the value is unfair, it just blows a complete hole in the lineup with no picks to start rebuilding back up. We need to get a solid defender better than Scandella and we'll be fine. Thomas gives the Blues a dynamic center who is much younger than the rest of our centers (ROR @ 30, Schenn @ 30, Bozak @35, Barb@25). Consider if it was Kyrou and then Tarasenko is moved in the offseason (if he still wants a trade), then your wings are much, much weaker.

I don't think the Devil's 1990s model of stacking defense and winning 2-1 every game will work in today's NHL.

 

[Seattlebjprice]

I wouldn't trade Thomas or Kyrou straight up for Chychrun let alone add those picks. Not that the value is unfair, it just blows a complete hole in the lineup with no picks to start rebuilding back up. We need to get a solid defender better than Scandella and we'll be fine. Thomas gives the Blues a dynamic center who is much younger than the rest of our centers (ROR @ 30, Schenn @ 30, Bozak @35, Barb@25). Consider if it was Kyrou and then Tarasenko is moved in the offseason (if he still wants a trade), then your wings are much, much weaker.

I don't think the Devil's 1990s model of stacking defense and winning 2-1 every game will work in today's NHL.

I do agree with your opinion but do want to point out stl has Bolduc, Brown, and Alexandrov in the pipeline. I’m not advocating for this trade, more just experimenting with the value it would cost to see if I could stomach it. I do wonder if Bill and Doug’s working relationship could lead to a trade, especially considering many of these guys were Bill’s picks.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

I do agree with your opinion but do want to point out stl has Bolduc, Brown, and Alexandrov in the pipeline. I’m not advocating for this trade, more just experimenting with the value it would cost to see if I could stomach it. I do wonder if Bill and Doug’s working relationship could lead to a trade, especially considering many of these guys were Bill’s picks.

None of those guys are going to even remotely come close to replacing what Thomas brings to the team currently.

 

[Frenzy31]

Every team has holes in its line up. It is how you overcome the hole that matters.

 

[Zezel’s Pretzels]

I’m not advocating for this trade, more just experimenting with the value it would cost to see if I could stomach it.

Make sure you use protection - you don't know where the other GM's been.

 

[Seattlebjprice]

None of those guys are going to even remotely come close to replacing what Thomas brings to the team currently.

for sure - but it does provide support for the future.

Ory-Schenn-sunny-barbashev-Bozak with buchnevich capable in a pinch - Kyrou in a double pinch due to time in Sarnia - then two 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder in the minors is manageable center depth. I’m not insinuating Brown has Thomas’ potential for example.

Not saying the trade is a good idea. Even tho I wrote it - it’s more just what I perceive the cost to be given historical trades and the current cap climate.

from what I see - there are multiple teams targeting D for upgrades via trade rumors (2 new ones last 48 hours from 32 thoughts and then Marek regarding NYI and can’t remember who else rn)

It’s gonna be a sellers market :/

maybe best thing for stl is to keep what they have.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

for sure - but it does provide support for the future.

Ory-Schenn-sunny-barbashev-Bozak with buchnevich capable in a pinch - Kyrou in a double pinch due to time in Sarnia - then two 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder in the minors is manageable center depth. I’m not insinuating Brown has Thomas’ potential for example.

Not saying the trade is a good idea. Even tho I wrote it - it’s more just what I perceive the cost to be given historical trades and the current cap climate.

from what I see - there are multiple teams targeting D for upgrades via trade rumors (2 new ones last 48 hours from 32 thoughts and then Marek regarding NYI and can’t remember who else rn)

It’s gonna be a sellers market :/

maybe best thing for stl is to keep what they have.

A 22yr old RFA Dougie Hamilton coming off a 42pt season went for one 1st rounder and two 2nd rounders. That's the best comparable trade to Chychrun I can think of. And while Chychrun is a little bit more valuable than Hamilton was at that time, he's not worth the difference between a 2nd rounder and Thomas (using your proposal of 1st+2nd+Thomas)

 

[Seattlebjprice]

A 22yr old RFA Dougie Hamilton coming off a 42pt season went for one 1st rounder and two 2nd rounders. That's the best comparable trade to Chychrun I can think of. And while Chychrun is a little bit more valuable than Hamilton was at that time, he's not worth the difference between a 2nd rounder and Thomas (using your proposal of 1st+2nd+Thomas)

In my opinion - which is often wrong - I use extreme recent trades.

in this case my foundation was ristolainen - which has extreme comparable including playing for a terrible team, atoi, special teams duties. It seems Chychrun has a better shot and also is much younger - meaning his next contract will likely cover his entire core performance years - where Ristos will have a backend that has more risk, and also will come at a higher aav. I can go on about this but I’ll stop the sales pitch and tldr.

risto went for the 14OA, a prospect, and a 2nd. Chychrun will have roughly double the value due to age, trajectory, goal scoring potential, and aav during core years due to contract path.

STLs picks will not be 14OA, they will be 24+ likely.

Bolduc, 1st, 2nd won’t be enough whatsoever given ristolainen. I’m guessing it costs Thomas, Kyrou, or perunovich. If that’s too much I kind of agree. But I think that’s the cost given risto.

 

[Frenzy31]

In my opinion - which is often wrong - I use extreme recent trades.

in this case my foundation was ristolainen - which has extreme comparable including playing for a terrible team, atoi, special teams duties. It seems Chychrun has a better shot and also is much younger - meaning his next contract will likely cover his entire core performance years - where Ristos will have a backend that has more risk, and also will come at a higher aav. I can go on about this but I’ll stop the sales pitch and tldr.

risto went for the 14OA, a prospect, and a 2nd. Chychrun will have roughly double the value due to age, trajectory, goal scoring potential, and aav during core years due to contract path.

STLs picks will not be 14OA, they will be 24+ likely.

Bolduc, 1st, 2nd won’t be enough whatsoever given ristolainen. I’m guessing it costs Thomas, Kyrou, or perunovich. If that’s too much I kind of agree. But I think that’s the cost given risto.

I would rather go after Gio. And push comes to shove, I am good with our current team.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I don't see a realistic trade for a defender good enough to make a difference that would be at a cost I'd accept. There will be too many bidders, whoever gets Lindholm (who I don't think will end up being traded at all) or Chyrun (who is also not clearly available, but...probably will be?) will pay too much. Giordano makes sense to be available in trade, although its a little weird to name him your Captain if you don't even keep him for the entire season. Bottom line is that I think there will too many bidders.

The Blues will probably roll with what they have, or maybe acquire a veteran depth guy who doesn't move the needle for the starting line-up.

 

[CoverYour5]

Rutherford said Army and Chia were at the Flyers/Bolts game and the Flyers pro scouting staff were at our last game. Could be nothing, but it is fun to speculate and this is the trade proposals thread.

Anything that makes sense around Tarasenko? It was mentioned the Flyers were on his approve list. Not sure who we would be targeting.

 

[542365]

Rutherford said Army and Chia were at the Flyers/Bolts game and the Flyers pro scouting staff were at our last game. Could be nothing, but it is fun to speculate and this is the trade proposals thread.

Anything that makes sense around Tarasenko? It was mentioned the Flyers were on his approve list. Not sure who we would be targeting.

Provorov would be an amazing fit, but he’d be an amazing fit on almost every team because he’s really good. Doubt they’d ever move him. They have quite a few NHL ready young forwards that I could see as a centerpiece of a Tarasenko trade.

 

[ezcreepin]

Provorov would be an amazing fit, but he’d be an amazing fit on almost every team because he’s really good. Doubt they’d ever move him. They have quite a few NHL ready young forwards that I could see as a centerpiece of a Tarasenko trade.

If I were the Blues, I'd be asking for one of their top d-prospects. They have a lot of good RD prospects, but their best LD seems to be Cam York just on a talent perspective. We could always ask for a forward prospect, but we seem to have some good developing ones which makes that sort of trade a bit redundant right now. We'd have to take some salary back since they only have 4.75 mil left. Maybe someone like Lindblom and a good d prospect?

 

[Frenzy31]

So you make this trade this year or in the summer? To me Tarasenko is having too good of a season to move him. Would make our offense much worse. Not sure it would improve the D this year.

 

[Spektre]

I can't see how Philly would make the cap work next year if they have Tarasenko.

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

Provorov would be an amazing fit, but he’d be an amazing fit on almost every team because he’s really good. Doubt they’d ever move him. They have quite a few NHL ready young forwards that I could see as a centerpiece of a Tarasenko trade.

God, I would love Provorov, but I can’t imagine that happening.

I’d be perfectly okay with Sanheim, and either a F prospect, or a top 9 quality F from their main roster.

 

[DatDude44]

None of those guys are going to even remotely come close to replacing what Thomas brings to the team currently.

Or ever

 

[Seattlebjprice]

Rutherford said Army and Chia were at the Flyers/Bolts game and the Flyers pro scouting staff were at our last game. Could be nothing, but it is fun to speculate and this is the trade proposals thread.

Anything that makes sense around Tarasenko? It was mentioned the Flyers were on his approve list. Not sure who we would be targeting.

I’d guess it’s a forward swap because their teams cap structure and lineup would be very odd if they brought tarasenko in for a defenseman out, especially with raises due next year to Courtourier and Lindblom. They’d make Toronto’s ratio blush maybe.

Of the forwards I’d guess it’s Konecny that Philly is selling.

Konecny + Martin Jones + (value equalizer non roster prospect and/or pick(s)) for Tarasenko + Ville Husso

or

Konecny + (value equalizer non roster) for Tarasenko retained.

guesses.

 

[Xerloris]

I’d guess it’s a forward swap because their teams cap structure and lineup would be very odd if they brought tarasenko in for a defenseman out, especially with raises due next year to Courtourier and Lindblom. They’d make Toronto’s ratio blush maybe.

Of the forwards I’d guess it’s Konecny that Philly is selling.

Konecny + Martin Jones + (value equalizer non roster prospect and/or pick(s)) for Tarasenko + Ville Husso

or

Konecny + (value equalizer non roster) for Tarasenko retained.

guesses.

Armstrong is never going to retain on Tarasenko unless for some crazy reason he is robbing the other team and at this point, I don't see how we could be doing that if we're giving up Tarasenko. You keep trying to peddle these really weird trade ideas.

 

[Seattlebjprice]

Armstrong is never going to retain on Tarasenko unless for some crazy reason he is robbing the other team and at this point, I don't see how we could be doing that if we're giving up Tarasenko. You keep trying to peddle these really weird trade ideas.

They all will be weird.

Look at Phillys salary cap and STLs salary cap.

And half the leagues, including most all contenders.

Roster dollars in have to equal roster dollars out +/- 100k. Covid cancellations and low attendance aren’t boldly suggesting some unforeseen change in the salary cap situation.

Tarasenko is 7.5. If he’s going to most places he’s likely to go to, we’re getting 7.5 back.

 

[stl76]

Some philly fans on the trade board seem to think Sanheim is on the way out this coming offseason. I don't know a ton about his game, but I thought he was a more offensive guy. Could be an interesting LHD trade target, but I doubt there's much to it TBH.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

They all will be weird.

Look at Phillys salary cap and STLs salary cap.

And half the leagues, including most all contenders.

Roster dollars in have to equal roster dollars out +/- 100k. Covid cancellations and low attendance aren’t boldly suggesting some unforeseen change in the salary cap situation.

Tarasenko is 7.5. If he’s going to most places he’s likely to go to, we’re getting 7.5 back.

That’s why he isn’t going to be traded mid-season just to accommodate his request. There will probably be enough of a market to do it in the off-season.