Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 1

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Not to step on toes, but...

Charlie McAvoy did exactly that with a post-season debut to his NHL career at 19. McAvoy played 24:11 in his debut on April 12, 2017 in game 1 vs the Sens, in the first round.

GM 1 - 24:11
GM 2 - 27:48
GM 3 - 24:44
GM 4 - 25:03
GM 5 - 31:14
GM 6 - 24:10

He's not exactly a prodigy either. A rare example, sure?

Makar logged 20 mins of ice time in his 2nd NHL game, after 14 mins in his debut in the 2019 post season during game 3 of the 1st round.
The post you quoted asked for examples of 23 year olds. Are there enough of those examples that it’s reasonable right now today to plug Perunovich into top pairing minutes? Of course there aren’t because my position is infinitely more reasonable than believing Perunovich is a top pairing defenseman as of November 18, 2021.
 

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JayBo was neither physical nor a monster in front of the net, nor do I feel he was tough . He was a smooth skating dman that was positionally sound and had a lot of experience to go along with high Hockey IQ. Size difference between SP and Jaybo is a bit of an issue for sure, along with experience (which to me is different from IQ), but they do defend in a similar manner.
JBo was pretty physical in his last few years. He certainly was no push over in front of the net in comparison to league wide defensemen at that point in time.
 
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JBo way pretty physical in his last few years. He certainly was no push over in front of the net in comparison to league wide defensemen at that point in time.
I can’t recall who, but there was an interview of another NHL player talking out of his ass about how easy it was to play against Bouwmeester, which I recall was cited against him when the Blues were on the market for LHD. Bouwmeester definitely stepped up and played some of his best hockey in the postseason, particularly the Cup run. Heck, that shot ROR tipped to open the scoring in Game 7 was one of the most memorable shots in Blues’ history. I think his ‘softness’ was overstated prior to the acquisition. It wasn’t really a deficiency that hurt his game.
 

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I can’t recall who, but there was an interview of another NHL player talking out of his ass about how easy it was to play against Bouwmeester, which I recall was cited against him when the Blues were on the market for LHD. Bouwmeester definitely stepped up and played some of his best hockey in the postseason, particularly the Cup run. Heck, that shot ROR tipped to open the scoring in Game 7 was one of the most memorable shots in Blues’ history. I think his ‘softness’ was overstated prior to the acquisition. It wasn’t really a deficiency that hurt his game.
JBo was pretty soft before the acquisition and the first couple of seasons after, but, as his offense declined, his aggression picked up. If grizzled veteran was ever a worthwhile term, JBo was quite representative of that in the ice as he aged. He certainly battled harder in the end and probably had the highest number of in the crease crosschecks of any D player on the team.

His Cup run play was a next gear defensively for sure.
 
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JBo was pretty soft before the acquisition and the first couple of seasons after, but, as his offense declined, his aggression picked up. If grizzled veteran was ever a worthwhile term, JBo was quite representative of that in the ice as he aged. He certainly battled harder in the end and probably had the highest number of in the crease crosschecks of any D player on the team.

His Cup run play was a next gear defensively for sure.
As his speed waned he adapted.
 
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I can’t recall who, but there was an interview of another NHL player talking out of his ass about how easy it was to play against Bouwmeester, which I recall was cited against him when the Blues were on the market for LHD. Bouwmeester definitely stepped up and played some of his best hockey in the postseason, particularly the Cup run. Heck, that shot ROR tipped to open the scoring in Game 7 was one of the most memorable shots in Blues’ history. I think his ‘softness’ was overstated prior to the acquisition. It wasn’t really a deficiency that hurt his game.
Michael Peca
 
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So, facts will bear out that I’ve discussed thoughts on this topic previously multiply and recently.

I don’t therefore like being sarcastically told I didn’t do it right in your lap so it hasn’t been done.
Sarcastic? I'm being serious. If you have information on Perunovich that other people don't have, then present it because I know a lot of people on here who would gladly have a discussion. Getting butthurt because people are criticizing the way you dispute things is perfectly fine; you haven't really said anything here to say why he wouldn't be a fine #1 defenseman. I don't really have time to look at your activity to find out what you think and it's easier if you refute claims here where you're being asked. Personally I can't say whether he's a #1 or not because again, I haven't seen his NCAA or AHL play. He scores at a high clip, moves the puck well, and has good skating ability. I have no idea how well he defends, so I would never intensely argue that he could or couldn't be a top pairing d-man. I think his talent makes him more likely to be a #3/#4 guy just from the stuff I've seen, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest a player like him would do well in that position. I'm assuming he will keep a spot in the lineup until he has a minor setback, but I'm more looking forward to how teams play against him next year once they've seen him. Thomas did well his first 2 seasons because he was sheltered behind Schenn and ROR, but teams really started to hone in on him his 3rd season. Now he's made adjustments and looks really close to being that 1st line guy we thought he could be, along with improving his faceoffs dramatically. This is the type of thing I'm looking for when I watch Perunovich, but right now I can't say much to his game.
 

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JBo was pretty soft before the acquisition and the first couple of seasons after, but, as his offense declined, his aggression picked up. If grizzled veteran was ever a worthwhile term, JBo was quite representative of that in the ice as he aged. He certainly battled harder in the end and probably had the highest number of in the crease crosschecks of any D player on the team.

His Cup run play was a next gear defensively for sure.

Some might have considered JBo soft because he didn't throw a ton of hits or mix it up physically very often, but he sure wasn't "soft" in terms of blocking shots, playing defense and battling in front of the net. Similar to ROR today, Bouwmeester didn't need to play nasty or physical to be effective. He was just usually in the right place to make the right play and used his stick and skating ability instead of inflicting pain on his opponents.
 

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I think our d core has looked lack luster mainly due to puck movement more than having a real “shutdown” type of player.

I’m not exactly sure if the time off due to covid/injuries along with the jumbled d pairs because of it have resulted in a struggles effort to get the puck out of the zone or if it’s a new strategy on the breakout that has been implemented.

While assuredly trading for a guy like Lindholm/Giordano would help, it seems like a guy like Parayko playing back to standards would do almost as much in helping with the issue.

Perunovich has looked good and fairly comfortable getting the puck from our zone to and through the neutral zone. I really can’t say the same about everyone else. I was losing my mind trying to count how many times we missed a winger because they were either way to high for a pass or for some other reason that I’m unaware of. I think a lot of this has kind of outlined a belief that Scandella needs to be upgraded upon.

While Lindholm would certainly help, I don’t think it’s due to really needing a shut down guy. I think it’s just that he’s as good as probably a tad better than Scandella, but he is much better at getting the puck up.
 

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Mikkola was a plus 3 in his last game.

He is guy that fits the bill - big, a hitter and a fine skater. He'll fight if he needs too. He is already ours and we don't have to move heaven and earth to get him.

I say let him play ten games and see where we are. If he plays very well, maybe we rethink the trade ideas. If he fails, we are no worse off than where we are.
 
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Mikkola was a plus 3 in his last game.

He is guy that fits the bill - big, a hitter and a fine skater. He'll fight if he needs too. He is already ours and we don't have to move heaven and earth to get him.

I say let him play ten games and see where we are. If he plays very well, maybe we rethink the trade ideas. If he fails, we are no worse off than where we are.

If we have to decide between keeping Mikkola or Walman, it seems like an easy choice to me. We need what Mikkola can potentially bring a lot more than Walman, especially now that Perunovich appears to be in the NHL to stay. If Mikkola continues to develop, he can at least be a 6/7 d-man capable of blocking shots and PKing. I wouldn't take any of the current 6 out of the lineup, but if heaven forbid someone gets injured then I'd be ok with givng Mikkola an extended look.
 
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Bouwmeester definitely brought more physicality during the Cup run than he showed most of his career and it was needed.
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Mikkola was a plus 3 in his last game.

He is guy that fits the bill - big, a hitter and a fine skater. He'll fight if he needs too. He is already ours and we don't have to move heaven and earth to get him.

I say let him play ten games and see where we are. If he plays very well, maybe we rethink the trade ideas. If he fails, we are no worse off than where we are.
My issue with Mikkola is how he handles the puck. I know there is more time to breakout or set up plays in either the Euro leagues or the AHL, but Mikkola has had ample time to really work on his stick handling and getting the puck out of the d-zone. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like that was a primary focus of his because in his only games, he had trouble getting the puck out. I recall vividly him trying to pass the puck on the right boards like 3 times, but it kept either getting blocked at the blue line, hitting players, or he just flubbed a pass. I would be perfectly fine letting him play a portion of games like Walman did to see how he shapes up, we honestly need a big guy like him to be clearing the crease, blocking shots, and playing on the penalty kill. But if he can't fix his major issue, then he won't have a long career in the NHL.
 

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Mikkola is physical but he’s not good with making quick decisions with the puck. He’s at best a #6 guy the same as Walman.

Lindholm is still the best target to me but who knows if he’ll even be available.

I think if they get a Lindholm type player then Tarasenko would have to be traded in the offseason for the cap to work.
 

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Mikkola is physical but he’s not good with making quick decisions with the puck. He’s at best a #6 guy the same as Walman.

Lindholm is still the best target to me but who knows if he’ll even be available.

I think if they get a Lindholm type player then Tarasenko would have to be traded in the offseason for the cap to work.
If we don’t trade Tarasenko we can’t really add anyone for next year. Might not even be able to bring back Perron,
 

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If we don’t trade Tarasenko we can’t really add anyone for next year. Might not even be able to bring back Perron,


If Tarasenko keeps up his level of play he’ll be easy to trade. Ideally Scandella is traded too. Those two combine for almost 11 million dollars.

Trade Tarasenko for futures and package some futures + Scandella for an upgrade at LHD
 

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If Tarasenko keeps up his level of play he’ll be easy to trade. Ideally Scandella is traded too. Those two combine for almost 11 million dollars.

Trade Tarasenko for futures and package some futures + Scandella for an upgrade at LHD
I've pondered, if it is a forgone conclusion that we are making a play for Tkachuck after this season if there could potentially be a move to be made for a promising LHD who has already knocked on the door, similar to Neighbours and a swap could be made there. I'm not advocating trading him after what he showed in his debut. But he projects to be a similar player to Tkachuck (likely not as high of a ceiling) and is ahead of schedule in his development which would make him quite appealing to a team with a logjam of defensemen.
 

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Would u do 1st 2022, 2nd 2023, and Robert Thomas (or perunovich, or Kyrou) for Jacob Chychrun?


what if you had to do that and also toss in Bolduc? Or Neighbors?

Ory, Schenn, Sunny, and Barby + Bozak up the middle still if Robthom is moved.
 
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