Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 1

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I think adding the right player for the top pair takes time so it’s all dependent on that market. Armstrong could swing a three way trade where Tarasenko goes east and the Blues get Lindholm or Giordano and everything is balanced appropriately

Even without a 3-way, if we dealt him to NJ (or somewhere else with cap space) for futures we would be much better positioned to go after any D who becomes available.

 

[mk80]

Blues save good chunk of $ by shipping Clifford to Toronto. Not cap space, but actual $ which is nice. Not sure why Leafs dealt for him only to send him to AHL, but glad they did.

To be fair the "future considerations" likely won't be much. But you're right it's strange they didn't just claim him off waivers in the first place

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

To be fair the "future considerations" likely won't be much. But you're right it's strange they didn't just claim him off waivers in the first place

I guess this saves Leafs the waivers fee. But more importantly allows them to send him down, which they did.

 

[Bluesfan54]

Blues save good chunk of $ by shipping Clifford to Toronto. Not cap space, but actual $ which is nice. Not sure why Leafs dealt for him only to send him to AHL, but glad they did.

If they claimed him off waivers, they would have had to keep him on the NHL roster. This way, they can just ship him to the minors.

 

[Zachary Hines]

So if you trade for a player that has been waived by the current team the new team can send them to minors!

 

[TK 421]

Obviously we are better if we replace Scandella with a better D man. But how do you pay that D-man? Even if the 3rd pairing is making $1.5M or less, we can't replace a $3M D with a $5M+ guy. We could maybe get Lindholm with retention, but how do we afford him next year with his raise? Are we trading assets for a pure rental?

If we acquire and Re-sign a Scandella replacement, where does Perunovich go when if he takes a step up? He's an RFA next year. If he plays well he will earn a higher AAV. If he plays well enough to earn top 4 minutes, who goes? Faulk, Krug, and Parayko all have NTCs for at least 3 more years after this one. Lindholm, or whoever we upgrade over Scandella, probably will as well signing a new contract. So do we jettison a potential stud on a cost controlled deal in Perunovich because there is no room for him?

Scandella is fine as a $3M D. Krug is the one causing problems as he cannot defend a plastic bag someone tossed on the ice. The bag is both to strong and too quick for him. Krug has to be the one to go. We have to find a way to get him to waive. Perunovich can take his place as the PP QB, sheltered offensive D.

Lindholm - Parayko
Scandella - Faulk
Perunovich - Bortuzzo

Scandella and Faulk can help the defensive load a bit, giving the top pair some more offensive zone starts. But in true offensive situations, we can double shift Perunovich with Faulk. Its the only way it works

I just imagined Krug in a fight with a plastic bag. Pretty sure it would still end with Krug losing his helmet.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

If they claimed him off waivers, they would have had to keep him on the NHL roster. This way, they can just ship him to the minors.

I get that. I wasn't questioning why they didn't just claim him. I'm wondering why they added him at all if he is just gonna be on Marlies. Seems like he's a rather expensive minor league goon.

 

[Blanick]

Ok so I think it is abundantly clear 15 games in that the Blues have to upgrade their backend. I know myself and others have basically been fawning over Hampus Lindholm from Anaheim but they seem keen to try and hold on to him. However, if he does come into play the Blues have to take a hard shot at him. Obviously our biggest trade chip is Tarasenko who is still rumored to want a trade. However I don't think that Anaheim would be too interested in Tarasenko despite his strong start and showing his shoulder is healthy. One of the teams rumored to be interested in Tarasenko this summer was NYI but they balked at Army's asking price. The Islanders now sit in last place in their division and have scored the fewest goals of any team in the NHL thus far. With all that being said this is the framework for a 3 way trade that has been bouncing around in my head for a few days.

To NYI:
-Tarasenko

To STL:
-Lindholm

To ANA:
-Beauvillier
-NYI 1st round pick.

Islanders get the best player in the deal for 1.5 years. Anaheim gets a young Top 6 LW and 1st round pick. The Blues take on the most risk in this deal with Lindholm being a pending UFA but I think this would allow us to stabilize the defense while still keeping a lethal offense. I like this as a framework for a deal with maybe some later picks or prospects thrown in to help balance.

I only do this trade if we are allowed to talk to Lindholm's agent beforehand and see if he would be open to extending in St. Louis.

What do my fellow Blues fans think.

 

[PocketNines]

Anaheim would want more for an extended Lindholm and would expect to get more than a first and a cap return player. Thus I see someone like Neighbors or Bolduc or Kostin also going back from the Blues. I’d pay Tarasenko plus any one of those three players for an extended Lindholm, so presuming NYI does its part something like that could happen

 

[bleedblue1223]

If a team like the Flyers continue to struggle for scoring, I wonder if Sanheim could be made available. Someone on the younger side that has a little term at a modest cap hit that could slot into a 2nd pair role. Not Lindholm, but would very much do the job.

 

[PocketNines]

We need the teams with the guys who might work to lose more games, starting with the Anaheim Ducks. Seattle is doing its part.

 

[Blanick]

Anaheim would want more for an extended Lindholm and would expect to get more than a first and a cap return player. Thus I see someone like Neighbors or Bolduc or Kostin also going back from the Blues. I’d pay Tarasenko plus any one of those three players for an extended Lindholm, so presuming NYI does its part something like that could happen

Honestly it is all going to come down to whether Lindholm wants to re-sign in Anaheim. If he wants to leave the Blues have to be in on him, we have to upgrade on the left side of the defense whether it is to replace Scandella or push him down to the bottom pairing. If healthy he should not be a player in our top 4. I wouldn't mind a defense like this.

Lindholm - Parayko
Krug - Faulk
Scandella - Perunovich

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Lindholm is starting to look like less and less of an option, he's on their first pair with Drysdale and (after reading more into it) Drysdale is also currently living with him and his family. Gio and Leddy might be the only options.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Ok so I think it is abundantly clear 15 games in that the Blues have to upgrade their backend. I know myself and others have basically been fawning over Hampus Lindholm from Anaheim but they seem keen to try and hold on to him. However, if he does come into play the Blues have to take a hard shot at him. Obviously our biggest trade chip is Tarasenko who is still rumored to want a trade. However I don't think that Anaheim would be too interested in Tarasenko despite his strong start and showing his shoulder is healthy. One of the teams rumored to be interested in Tarasenko this summer was NYI but they balked at Army's asking price. The Islanders now sit in last place in their division and have scored the fewest goals of any team in the NHL thus far. With all that being said this is the framework for a 3 way trade that has been bouncing around in my head for a few days.

To NYI:
-Tarasenko

To STL:
-Lindholm

To ANA:
-Beauvillier
-NYI 1st round pick.

Islanders get the best player in the deal for 1.5 years. Anaheim gets a young Top 6 LW and 1st round pick. The Blues take on the most risk in this deal with Lindholm being a pending UFA but I think this would allow us to stabilize the defense while still keeping a lethal offense. I like this as a framework for a deal with maybe some later picks or prospects thrown in to help balance.

I only do this trade if we are allowed to talk to Lindholm's agent beforehand and see if he would be open to extending in St. Louis.

What do my fellow Blues fans think.

That is awful for isles. If they are dealing beauvillier for tank they should be getting 1st not dealing one.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

To NYI:
-Tarasenko

To STL:
-Lindholm

To ANA:
-Beauvillier
-NYI 1st round pick.

Anaheim must get more in return. If Beauvillier is moving from NYI, then the Blues must give up a good, young forward as well.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

That is awful for isles. If they are dealing beauvillier for tank they should be getting 1st not dealing one.

Huh? Beauvillier is good, but not that good. Beau and a 1st for Tarasenko is a good return, especially "knowing" that Vlad would, most likely, extend with NYI.

Tarasenko's trade value is increasing as he continues to play well and also that he has only one year left. Extending Tarasenko is quite valuable, just like extending Lindholm is quite valuable.

 

[Ranksu]

I just imagined Krug in a fight with a plastic bag. Pretty sure it would still end with Krug losing his helmet.

 

[bleedblue1223]

That is awful for isles. If they are dealing beauvillier for tank they should be getting 1st not dealing one.

You are either over valuing Beauvillier quite a bit or under valuing Tarasenko. Beauvillier is no longer a young player with a ton of upside, has 1 more year than Tarasenko and is then a UFA.

 

[bleedblue1223]

No. You have it exactly backwards.

Sorry meant to quote @Blueston

Fixed it.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Huh? Beauvillier is good, but not that good. Beau and a 1st for Tarasenko is a good return, especially "knowing" that Vlad would, most likely, extend with NYI.

Tarasenko's trade value is increasing as he continues to play well and also that he has only one year left. Extending Tarasenko is quite valuable, just like extending Lindholm is quite valuable.

He didn’t go from negative value to good youngish player plus 1st because of good couple weeks. Need to readjust your expectations.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

You are either over valuing Beauvillier quite a bit or under valuing Tarasenko. Beauvillier is no longer a young player with a ton of upside, has 1 more year than Tarasenko and is then a UFA.

He is 24. Great skater and decent offense. We couldn’t give tank away a month ago. He has rebuilt some value at this point but no way he returns 1st and quality player.

 

[bleedblue1223]

He is 24. Great skater and decent offense. We couldn’t give tank away a month ago. He has rebuilt some value at this point but no way he returns 1st and quality player.

And now Tarasenko has shown he's back to at least 18/19 levels. Current values is definitely not Tarasenko+1st for Beauvillier.

 

[Meatball]

Any "trade Tarasenko" talk at this point is suicidal for this team's cup hopes.

Nothing wrong with theorizing, though.

 

[sfvega]

Wait, how does NYI add 3 mil in AAV? I thought they were tight against the cap. Just seems like an unrealistic way to end up with Lindholm by only giving up Tank.

 

[PocketNines]

Any "trade Tarasenko" talk at this point is suicidal for this team's cup hopes.

Nothing wrong with theorizing, though.

As things stand there are no actual Cup hopes. But you have also put Perunovich on the top pairing based on one game, so I know you hold an entirely different set of ideas about the defense