Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays fire manager Montoyo, Schneider takes over
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Bluelines
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Quelle suprise you missed the point.... you were being binary in your thought process. I tried my best in very simple language to explain that. Just because one thing exists somewhere in the world, does not mean it exists at the same level EVERYWHERE in the world.
I never said there are no racial issues in Canada.
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Scotianhab
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We need an upgrade on Tapia. He needs to be the 5th outfielder. Zimmer while great defensively is basically a waste of a spot. As far as giving guys days off, Kirk should only be sitting 1 game a week. He can catch and DH the rest. I hope I’m wrong but It seems like our best lineup is only together twice a week tops.
SDig14
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Right now, I think when healthy the best order is:
Springer
Bo
Vladdy
Teo
Kirk
Espinal
Gurriel
Chapman
Jansen
Or some version of that. Could flip Teo and Kirk and/or Espinal and Gurriel based on matchup or who's hot at the time.
Would be nice to slot a legitimate power bat somewhere in the top 4-6 range but not for the sake of having a lefty. Has to be someone that is actually better than those guys in some way.
Soto is like a dream fit in that lineup...can always dream!
Springer
Bo
Vladdy
Teo
Kirk
Espinal
Gurriel
Chapman
Jansen
Or some version of that. Could flip Teo and Kirk and/or Espinal and Gurriel based on matchup or who's hot at the time.
Would be nice to slot a legitimate power bat somewhere in the top 4-6 range but not for the sake of having a lefty. Has to be someone that is actually better than those guys in some way.
Soto is like a dream fit in that lineup...can always dream!
Springer - CF
Vladdy - 1B
Kirk - DH
Bo - SS
Teo - RF
Gurriel - LF
Espinal - 2B
Chapman - 3B
Jansen/Moreno - C
Vladdy - 1B
Kirk - DH
Bo - SS
Teo - RF
Gurriel - LF
Espinal - 2B
Chapman - 3B
Jansen/Moreno - C
Closing in on 6 weeks now... 127 wRC+ in 95 PA since May 13. Defensive metrics hate him more than I would have guessed, but he's been hitting really, really well for a while now.
Scotianhab
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God that game was infuriating to watch last night.
Another completely winnable game pissed away by substandard pitching.
I'm a tad concerned Berrios' problems aren't just an aberration given his spin rate is apparently down and he can't generate whiffs as consistently as before.
The positive I guess is while he hasnt been good, his numbers are being a bit skewed by just a couple of ugly starts?
Another completely winnable game pissed away by substandard pitching.
I'm a tad concerned Berrios' problems aren't just an aberration given his spin rate is apparently down and he can't generate whiffs as consistently as before.
The positive I guess is while he hasnt been good, his numbers are being a bit skewed by just a couple of ugly starts?
I'm not too concerned because he had put together three straight dominant starts prior to last night. But yeah, it can't be on the offense to put up 8-9 runs every night.
2 of those 3 dominant starts against:
- A Tigers team who currently couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat and are on pace to be one of the worst run scoring teams we've seen in a while.
- a Baltimore team who while significantly improved, is still near the bottom of the league in most hitting categories
The Minnesota one I'll give you. That was a gem and against a team that's surprisingly near the top in a lot of categories
He needs to show more consistency. I agree it's not doom and gloom but it's a bit tough to see him adjust (like throwing his curve more in recent starts), get smacked and then have to go back to the drawing board.
He threw his offspeed more last night and got shelled for it. Not sure what the fix is.
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Tapia as the 4th OF is the least of the teams concerns right now, come playoff time he won’t be playing anyways
upgrades to SP and bullpen should be the focus
upgrades to SP and bullpen should be the focus
phillipmike
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Eyedea
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Vlad's EV is 96.9 this month. I don't believe he's ever finished a month in the 96+ range.
Edit: once in September/October last season. But this would be the hardest hitting month of his career.
Edit: once in September/October last season. But this would be the hardest hitting month of his career.
TMLeafer
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Kirk, Vladdy, Bo, Springer leading their positions in All Star voting so far 
Eyedea
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Bo ahead of XBo, Anderson, and Pena is pretty funny. I'm also assuming you can't have multiple players in each position (sans OF)? Because Danny Jansen being 4th in DH despite never DHing makes zero sense. If anything Kirk should be the DH leader but that vote would obviously be impacted by Alvarez/Ohtani.
Kirk is the third highest vote getter in the AL? That's f***ing dope.
Not like he isn't deserving either.
Kinda laughable Anderson isn't running away with the starting shortstop spot but all star voting hasn't always been about the best given Giants and Royals fans were ballot box stuffing years ago.
Bo probably belongs more in the derby than he does the ASG lol.
Edit: big shoutout to Fernando Tatis Jr being fifth in voting for shortstops in the NL. To be fair he hasn't struck out or been caught stealing once this year so it's pretty well deserved.
Not like he isn't deserving either.
Kinda laughable Anderson isn't running away with the starting shortstop spot but all star voting hasn't always been about the best given Giants and Royals fans were ballot box stuffing years ago.
Bo probably belongs more in the derby than he does the ASG lol.
Edit: big shoutout to Fernando Tatis Jr being fifth in voting for shortstops in the NL. To be fair he hasn't struck out or been caught stealing once this year so it's pretty well deserved.
Eyedea
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Bednar and Soto are obviously huge gets (the former more so) due to their added control, but a rental option that I've been interested in for some time now is Daniel Bard. Robertson and Fulmer are more Yimi-like guys, which are still good relievers, but just simply not of the power variety.
I also wonder with Keller being arb eligible soon if there's a package deal out there for him + Bednar. Would be an option where the Jays could sort of salvage some of Pearson's value by having both teams moving on from their TOR prospects, though obviously a few +'s to be added on the Jays side (Groshans being one who could slide to 2B/OF for the Pirates).
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Bogaerts has 3.2 fWAR and arguably should be above Anderson.
While Bo started slow, he's up to 16th in SS fWAR and climbing. His defense has also picked up dramatically, to the point where he is now 18 of 22 qualified SS and very close to catching Iglesias and Kiner-Falefa (the noted defensive whiz).
The more I look at the voting the worse it gets:
Marcell Ozuna and Adam Duvall being anywhere near a ballot is kinda laughable given they've both been putrid.
Luis Arraez being so low
Joc Pederson on pace to somehow be a starting outfielder while being ahead of the entierity of the Mets outfield. Nimmo doesn't even crack top 10.
Cody Bellinger being anywhere near a ballot
Fernando Tatis Jr being 5th on the ballot for shortstops, when he hasnt played all year.
The oversaturation of Jays. most deserving all stars for sure, but does Vladdy deserve to start over Ty France? Or Springer over somebody like Byron Buxton? Espinal making the roster over Gimenez? I would say the answer to those questions is probably no. Kirk is the only guy there that you can say definitely deserves his starting spot.
I always remind myself it's more about popularity but the vote still never fails to annoy me.
Marcell Ozuna and Adam Duvall being anywhere near a ballot is kinda laughable given they've both been putrid.
Luis Arraez being so low
Joc Pederson on pace to somehow be a starting outfielder while being ahead of the entierity of the Mets outfield. Nimmo doesn't even crack top 10.
Cody Bellinger being anywhere near a ballot
Fernando Tatis Jr being 5th on the ballot for shortstops, when he hasnt played all year.
The oversaturation of Jays. most deserving all stars for sure, but does Vladdy deserve to start over Ty France? Or Springer over somebody like Byron Buxton? Espinal making the roster over Gimenez? I would say the answer to those questions is probably no. Kirk is the only guy there that you can say definitely deserves his starting spot.
I always remind myself it's more about popularity but the vote still never fails to annoy me.
Yeah, I'm with you there... it should probably be a toss-up between Bogaerts and Anderson. The fWAR advantage Bogaerts has is entirely based on playing time - Anderson actually has a higher fWAR on a per PA basis, and Pena's right there with Bogaerts too (though he's a clear level or two below them offensively, which is usually a more important factor for voting on stuff like this).
Voters only determine starters so Espinal would not make it.
I don't think Vladdy over France is far-fetched. France deserves it (and would be a reserve if he's not voted in), but Vladdy has been coming on like a house on fire.
Springer in the OF is more egregious.
Not nearly as egregious as Stanton being on that list, though.
Eyedea
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Pretty sure Stanton DHs more than Donaldson. Yordan is also 50/50 with Brantley in LF/DH duties. Sure, Gurriel and Teo have no business being there but Springer is for sure in that top 6 convo.
Canada4Gold
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I really think we need to pick up our All Star voting guys. Espinal not being the starting 2nd baseman is a travesty 
He's actually 3rd in AL 2B fWAR just 0.3 off the lead. Definitely deserves it more than Bo and possibly more than Springer and Vladdy too. But those 3 are way more popular obviously.
He's actually 3rd in AL 2B fWAR just 0.3 off the lead. Definitely deserves it more than Bo and possibly more than Springer and Vladdy too. But those 3 are way more popular obviously.
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