Bad News Benning
Fallin for Dahlin?
Well we could have Doc call him up and say some kind words about Toronto....
Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays acquire TROY TULOWITZKI... did I mention his idol is Derek Jeter?
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Well we could have Doc call him up and say some kind words about Toronto....
Swervin81
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LaCarriere
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1. It's not a lateral move, Tulo is better defensively and as a hitter. The only thing Reyes has on him is speed.
2. AA has been having discussions with literally every team that's selling pitching. You don't think he's not trying to address pitching?
3. What does it matter if the Jays win 10-5 or 3-2? Tulo theoretically increases their run differential with his better bat and glove, which over time means more wins. Fangraphs already wrote an article last night that Tulo is projected to provide about +1.0 wins over Reyes over the remainder of the year, the exact same that Kazmir will provide the Astros. They got better by improving a strength, just conventionally you get better by improving a weakness, but either way they are projected to be +1 wins better down the stretch, no different if they got Kazmir.
Yeah at some point you have to make the decision to go all in with José and Edwin or start the turnover with faith that your Norris, Stroman and Sánchez keep growing to play with Donaldson and Tulo
Other than the impatience we feel as fans I think the later option actually makes sense for this club
Diamond Joe Quimby
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ShaneFalco
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I would hate to give up Stroman, but for a bonafide ace, you gotta make that move IMO
Diamond Joe Quimby
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Good infield defence helps pitching. I think the Jays just improved their pitching by getting Reyes off the field and improving their infield defence.
Too bad to lose Hoffman and Castro but I like this trade. It improves the team.
Too bad to lose Hoffman and Castro but I like this trade. It improves the team.
topched
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For a bonafide ace with multiple years of team control at a low salary, yes absolutely. The list of pitchers that fit that mould is tiny. Sale, Gray and a few others. Even then Stroman is not getting you one of those guys alone.
He is a nonstarter in all trade conversations
Swervin81
Leaf fan | YYZ -> SEA
I'd take on Ryan Howard's contract before trading away Stroman. That's how much you don't want to trade him. You simply can't. He's already a major league #2.
Bad News Benning
Fallin for Dahlin?
Reyes is a solid leadoff option? guy had a crappy OBP and had some truly terrible AB's lately. His speed will be missed but the jays won't need to steal many bases with this lineup. Travis is a better hitter than Reyes this year and will do a fine job in that role.
Yes we need pitching. I'm sure AA is working on that addition.
One could argue that if he wasn't hurt, we wouldn't be going bonkers for starting pitching. Maybe just some middle pen reinforcements
Clark4Ever
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Dickey and Buehrle will not be part of the organization moving forward. We have to keep our remaining top pitching prospects or we're going to be in serious trouble in a couple of years.
We have other assets to offer to acquire a starter.
We have other assets to offer to acquire a starter.
LaCarriere
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Yeah, I saw this too. I doubt those prospects amount to the 60M in value, but I admit that I don't know too much about how those values are calculated or how accurate they have historically been.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/troy-tulowitzki-the-blue-jays-and-upgrading-strengths/
Article pretty much talking about how adding to your team's strength actually has a greater benefit than adding to your team's weakness. The Law of diminishing returns really isn't all that prevalent here.
Apparently this should make us better than had we added an equivalent pitching upgrade of the difference between Tulo and Reyes.
Article pretty much talking about how adding to your team's strength actually has a greater benefit than adding to your team's weakness. The Law of diminishing returns really isn't all that prevalent here.
Apparently this should make us better than had we added an equivalent pitching upgrade of the difference between Tulo and Reyes.
I agree with Zaun
I am glad Reyes is gone for his personality. Look he was a fun guy and always had a good time but slowly they are starting to break up that latin click and bring in grinders warriors who want to win and not being in the dugout like it is Cinco de Mayo party every game. I was tired of seeing him joking in the dugout when they were getting their ass kicked. Always yuking it up never serious and that played thru the latin group.
Melky and now Reyes gone. You have Donaldson and Tulo both grinders and professional guys who play hard and have respect from their peers to do so as well.
This might sound racist but I truly think that was part of the rational behind the moves bringing in dirt bags as they call them.
It was a small sample size but Devon Travis wasn't thriving hitting leadoff.
91 PA
.193 BA
. 264 OBP
.313 SLG
Not saying he can't be the answer as a leadoff but it's something worth watching.
Eyedea
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Hoffman lessens the gap, but they would have been better served acquiring positional prospects instead.
Swervin81
Leaf fan | YYZ -> SEA
Hey, there Colin Cowherd
There's plenty of ways to interpret Reyes' enthusiasm. I doubt there was much else other than ridding yourself of a bad contract and getting the best SS in the game motivating this deal.
Diamond Joe Quimby
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It's nice to see Colin Cowherd back on his feet and posting here in the hfboards blue jays thread.
Seriously though man, if you feel the need to say "might sound racist", you probably should keep it to yourself. I mean, damn.
its not going to happen this year but I can see JBats and EE going into there options years being dealt in the offseason to restock. The new core moving forward will be Donaldson, Martin and Tulo.
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