Blow this team up already!

thewave

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Embarrassing. Sky has fallen in Leafs nation and there are threads on the main boards about trading Marner, Matthews wanting out, stripping Tavares of the C, and firing Keefe.

1 game in.

Marner is not a PO winner. JT is done. Matthews just signed so thats silly. Firing Keefe is a no brainer along with Shanny.

Funny thing. I have said most of this since the MTL series. Go figure.

MLSE screwed up

im gonna light fires around the city if we lose. sorta like an anti superhero

Its called terrorism and you better hope nobody does that, because you will be getting a knock at the door lol.
 

NinjaKick

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THE CIA (Canadian Intelligence Agency) WILL BE IN CONTACT SHORTLY. DONT LEAVE THE PROVINCE
yeah.. im really going to start a fire in my backyard over a hockey game

honestly. you should be ashamed of yourself.

and the way you shit on the leafs all year... I don't even think your a leafs fan
 

RunItBackAgain

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yeah.. im really going to start a fire in my backyard over a hockey game

honestly. you should be ashamed of yourself.

and the way you shit on the leafs all year... I don't even think your a leafs fan
I've probably been a Leafs fan since before you were born. Pardon me for being upset when we finally get some good players and management can't pull it's head out of it's ass long enough to identify ANY issues with this team except cash flow.
 
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NinjaKick

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I've probably been a Leafs fan since before you were born. Pardon me for being upset when we finally get some good players and management can't pull it's head out of it's ass long enough to identify ANY issues with this team except cash flow.
"THE CIA (Canadian Intelligence Agency) WILL BE IN CONTACT SHORTLY. DONT LEAVE THE PROVINCE"

thats a f***ing threat over a stupid joke....

I can guarantee you that you wouldn't say that to my face

you want to question my fan-hood of the team? I've been a leafs fan since 1988... the year I was born

no more jokes from me. only dead seriousness
 
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RunItBackAgain

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"THE CIA (Canadian Intelligence Agency) WILL BE IN CONTACT SHORTLY. DONT LEAVE THE PROVINCE"

thats a f***ing threat over a stupid joke....

I can guarantee you that you wouldn't say that to my face

you want to question my fan-hood of the team? I've been a leafs fan since 1988... the year I was born

no more jokes from me. only dead seriousness
If you couldn't see that my post was a joke...

"THE CIA (Canadian Intelligence Agency) WILL BE IN CONTACT SHORTLY. DONT LEAVE THE PROVINCE"

No one on the planet can help you.
 

NinjaKick

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If you couldn't see that my post was a joke...

"THE CIA (Canadian Intelligence Agency) WILL BE IN CONTACT SHORTLY. DONT LEAVE THE PROVINCE"

No one on the planet can help you.
if it was a joke than I seriously am sorry... seriously

@thewave called me a terrorist the post before because i said i would light my garbage pail on fire if the leafs lost and i freaked out

i swear to god im not a terrorist lol

my bad, my bad
 

HolyCrap

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If this team loses in the first round and Shanahan is still here I will lose my sh*t. We need a total retool from top to bottom. This includes some of the core players. Yes Tavares is gone soon but others will need to be moved as well.
 
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thewave

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if it was a joke than I seriously am sorry... seriously

@thewave called me a terrorist the post before because i said i would light my garbage pail on fire if the leafs lost and i freaked out

i swear to god im not a terrorist lol

my bad, my bad

No. I am saying if someone else does that after the series they will know you posted that and probably question you. I am pretty sure you are joking. Just saying joking about that sort of thing can get you in trouble unless you are in a comedy club.
 

NinjaKick

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No. I am saying if someone else does that after the series they will know you posted that and probably question you. I am pretty sure you are joking. Just saying joking about that sort of thing can get you in trouble unless you are in a comedy club.
question me for what?????

last year after we got knocked out of the playoffs, I said I would microwave my cat to express how I feel... im not really going to microwave my cat


edit: i apologize to the forum. i was frustrated after game 1 and no more jokes from me
 

theTTC

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Because the coach doesn't know how to adjust or change his system. The personal we have aren't bad or awful players, how they are told to play on the PK/PP is what is killing them.
You do realize Sheldon does not coach in a vacuum. There are like 5 men standing behind the bench, plus stats guys, video tape reviewers, scouts, respected alumni, and consultants, who all collaborate on designing these systems. So if it's all a flaming bag of s**t, who assembled this management team? Shanahan. That's who to blame. Fire this fraud after the Bruins sweep.
 

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If this team loses in the first round and Shanahan is still here I will lose my sh*t. We need a total retool from top to bottom. This includes some of the core players. Yes Tavares is gone soon but others will need to be moved as well.

My feeling is the next retool will have to cut very deep. Matthews and Nylander are keepers, Nylander if only because of the contract situation. Tavares is a goner. Tough proposition to re-up Marner for 8 years after next if this is his playoff final form. Even guys like Morgan Rielly, it's just stale with him.
 
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HolyCrap

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My feeling is the next retool will have to cut very deep. Matthews and Nylander are keepers, Nylander if only because of the contract situation. Tavares is a goner. Tough proposition to re-up Marner for 8 years after next if this is his playoff final form. Even guys like Morgan Rielly, it's just stale with him.
I agree 100 percent with ya.
 

theTTC

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question me for what?????

last year after we got knocked out of the playoffs, I said I would microwave my cat to express how I feel... im not really going to microwave my cat


edit: i apologize to the forum. i was frustrated after game 1 and no more jokes from me
hahahahahaha
The Karens have spotted your head peeking above the bullrushes.
No sense of humour around here these days, and they're going to take it out on you.
 

TheShape

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My feeling is the next retool will have to cut very deep. Matthews and Nylander are keepers, Nylander if only because of the contract situation. Tavares is a goner. Tough proposition to re-up Marner for 8 years after next if this is his playoff final form. Even guys like Morgan Rielly, it's just stale with him.
New POHO, new coach and Tre who has no ties to the core. Oh yeah, there is going to be changes. Everyone and everything on the table aside from 34. This was overdue about 3 years ago, in desperate need of yet another culture reset and restructuring of our salary cap. I don't want to hear about what a new coach can do with this core and they should be given another chance, enough is enough.
 

baton elevated

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Who do you like for new coach? Obviously coach Q is not available. Some have mentioned Berube, I prefer a more cerebral coach. I don't think Berube is that. How about Claude Julien, he has a ton of experience, winning pedigree? He is 63 years old and may have something to offer (cup to his credit too).
 

notDatsyuk

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I am not in love with the makeup of this team. But in the last 4 years they have finished 10th overall, 4th, 4th, and 6th in the league. They are always a top 10 team, and will be for the next few years. To me that means they are not likely to EVER be the cup favorite with this roster, but they always have a chance. Not 50% or more, but certainly not 5% or less each year. Is that good enough? So far no it hasn't been, but I think this team's "peak" window to perform is this year and next year, maybe even the year after.

The problem for me is, if you tear this down, sure you can get great assets for your players, but part of your return is going to be dependant not only on how good the guys you trade away are, but on their contracts. I beleive the 60th best player in the league on a bargain contract may be more valuable than the 5th or 10th or 20th best player who has a market-rate or higher contract. Leaf's don't have any 'value' contracts. Next, you tear this down, you are likely to take (at least temporarily) a step back.

Finally, if your current management structure is the one who built THIS team, that brings up 2 issues: Do you expect them to say "my bad, 'lets take a top 10 team overall in the league and break it down, even though it is MY team"? Likely not, they are going to ride this out because these are THEIR guys....and even if they did tear it down, do you expect the guys who failed to be the ones who do it right the next time? maybe, but If i'm going to tear it down, I want to start at the top.

To me, no rebuild, no teardown until the entire top of the management team is gone, Shanahan, Treliving, Keefe...unless they are ALL released, you aren't going to see any kind of rebuild/teardown.
Top ten in the regular season, but not the playoffs. Last four regular seasons cumulative they are fourth with a .671 winning %. Last four playoffs they are 17th with a .419 winning %.

How about a player not even in the top 30 over the last five years, making a lot more than market value?

I agree that Shanahan and Keefe have to go before we see much change, but Treliving has been here less than a year, and we are already seeing improvements, so I'd give him at least one more year.
 
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notDatsyuk

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No there wasn't lmfao. We traded unprotected firsts which became #1 C's and D's for division rivals for a chance to even sniff a playoff spot. The management refused any rebuild. You were there, you don't remember what was so significant about Shanny was he said the "rebuild' word for the first time?

Done with this convo. Have fun being a doomer
Shanahan talked about a rebuild, and said they would not rush it by going for a quick fix.

Then he did just that.
 

notbias

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Top ten in the regular season, but not the playoffs. Last four regular seasons cumulative they are fourth with a .671 winning %. Last four playoffs they are 17th with a .419 winning %.

How about a player not even in the top 30 over the last five years, making a lot more than market value?

I agree that Shanahan and Keefe have to go before we see much change, but Treliving has been here less than a year, and we are already seeing improvements, so I'd give him at least one more year.

What improvements have we seen this year?

Let's wait for the playoffs to be over, but so far we are worse in the regular season and 90% of this fanbase has written off the playoffs, so that'd mean we are worse in the playoffs...

Give him another season because he shuffled chairs, but he didn't make any improvements, he brought in a bunch of guys to punch people when we can't score.
 

notDatsyuk

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What improvements have we seen this year?

Let's wait for the playoffs to be over, but so far we are worse in the regular season and 90% of this fanbase has written off the playoffs, so that'd mean we are worse in the playoffs...

Give him another season because he shuffled chairs, but he didn't make any improvements, he brought in a bunch of guys to punch people when we can't score.
Even if you don't see the value of Reaves and Bert, you have to agree that Domi, who's looking even better than Mitch on Matty's wing, is a positive.

Considering that he didn't throw away a lot of picks on failed rentals at the deadline, he's at least done less damage than Dubas.
 

notbias

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Even if you don't see the value of Reaves and Bert, you have to agree that Domi, who's looking even better than Mitch on Matty's wing, is a positive.

Considering that he didn't throw away a lot of picks on failed rentals at the deadline, he's at least done less damage than Dubas.

He spent 6 picks this deadline, not going to say it is good or bad, but that is a lot of picks.

2 of the players might not be in the lineup when we have optimal lines.

Domi has been good, but not sure our scoring issues have been solved yet, and he was pretty ineffective in game 1.

Out of all the players signed/brought in, Reaves was the best in game 1 (minus his first shift).
 

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