Blow this team up already!

[Jojalu]

What improvements have we seen this year?

Let's wait for the playoffs to be over, but so far we are worse in the regular season and 90% of this fanbase has written off the playoffs, so that'd mean we are worse in the playoffs...

Give him another season because he shuffled chairs, but he didn't make any improvements, he brought in a bunch of guys to punch people when we can't score.

I would say that's why he brought in Domi and Bert. To help create offense.

I guess we will see if it works soon enough.

 

[Donnie740]

Dakota Joshua with 2G and 1A in a huge opening win for Vancouver. If only the Leafs had a tough young 3rd/4th line winger like Joshua.

Oh, wait….

 

[Apex Predator]

Dakota Joshua with 2G and 1A in a huge opening win for Vancouver. If only the Leafs had a tough young 3rd/4th line winger like Joshua.

Oh, wait….

didn’t fit the Dubas model but on a serious note I tried googling but for some reason I thought he didn’t want to sign with leafs. I could be wrong on that. I’m surprised the leafs didn’t sign him.

 

[81Leafs50]

these overaction posts are getting old. grow up Toronto.

 

[seventieslord]

My feeling is the next retool will have to cut very deep. Matthews and Nylander are keepers, Nylander if only because of the contract situation. Tavares is a goner. Tough proposition to re-up Marner for 8 years after next if this is his playoff final form. Even guys like Morgan Rielly, it's just stale with him.

Do you feel Nylander wouldn't be moved because of the NMC? Or because of the numbers on his contract?

If it's the latter, I thought you liked the contract when he signed it. And if it's a good deal, wouldn't Nylander be tradeable making that kind of money?

Personally, I think that if you're signing a player to a deal that instantly makes him untradeable, then you're paying him too much.

 

[Menzinger]

didn’t fit the Dubas model but on a serious note I tried googling but for some reason I thought he didn’t want to sign with leafs. I could be wrong on that. I’m surprised the leafs didn’t sign him.

To be fair, I think he was drafted under Dubas, no?

I don't think there's ever been a full clarification of what actually happened with him (I remember hearing either Mirtle or Jonas on an old Leafs Report podcast basically say they didnt know what had happened with him and the Leafs). Either he told the Leafs he wasn't going to sign, or they told him they weren't interested. Considering the Leafs in recent years haven't been shy given potential projects ELCs and even sending them down to the ECHL I'd be pretty surprised if the Leafs were the non-interested party in this situation

 

[Apex Predator]

To be fair, I think he was drafted under Dubas, no?

I don't think there's ever been a full clarification of what actually happened with him (I remember hearing either Mirtle or Jonas on an old Leafs Report podcast basically say they didnt know what had happened with what happened). Either he told the Leafs he wasn't going to sign, or they told him they weren't interested. Considering the Leafs in recent years haven't been shy given potential projects ELCs and even sending them down to the ECHL I'd be pretty surprised if the Leafs were the non-interested party in this situation

He was drafted in 2014 which was Shanny’s first year with Nonis.

 

[notDatsyuk]

He spent 6 picks this deadline, not going to say it is good or bad, but that is a lot of picks.

2 of the players might not be in the lineup when we have optimal lines.

Domi has been good, but not sure our scoring issues have been solved yet, and he was pretty ineffective in game 1.

Out of all the players signed/brought in, Reaves was the best in game 1 (minus his first shift).

He traded away 6 picks - 2 3rds, a 4th, a 5th, and two 6ths.
The year before, Dubas traded away 2 1sts, 2 2nds, a 3rd, and a 4th. Other than McCabe, none will be in our lineup, optimal or not.

Can you name me anyone who wasn't "pretty ineffective in game 1"?

 

[notbias]

He traded away 6 picks - 2 3rds, a 4th, a 5th, and two 6ths.
The year before, Dubas traded away 2 1sts, 2 2nds, a 3rd, and a 4th. Other than McCabe, none will be in our lineup, optimal or not.

Can you name me anyone who wasn't "pretty ineffective in game 1"?

You said he didn't give away a lot of picks, just pointing out he gave away 6 because I've seen tons of people say this.

If you think he spent them well, great.

And yes, when you trade for players or sign them, they aren't with you for the entirety of their career.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You said he didn't give away a lot of picks, just pointing out he gave away 6 because I've seen tons of people say this.

If you think he spent them well, great.

And yes, when you trade for players or sign them, they aren't with you for the entirety of their career.

If your argument is purely based on the number of picks, you have a minor point. Quality is entirely different.

I don't think 2 3rds, a 4th, a 5th, and two 6ths is a lot, especially when compared to 2 1sts, 2 2nds, a 3rd, and a 4th.

And that was (part of) my point - trading just for rentals, especially when they aren't likely to put a team over the top, isn't good. Tre didn't get just rentals.

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

The last 7+ years are more than enough. This has been overdue for literally years.

20 yrs

 

[Dirty Dan]

Run it back one more time with a new coach

 

[hfman]

hahahahahaha
The Karens have spotted your head peeking above the bullrushes.
No sense of humour around here these days, and they're going to take it out on you.

no joke, it's the current era we're in... hopefully it blows over

either way you can't even shake someone's hand these days without them being offended because shaking hands is offensive to them

it's like if one kid goes into a nightclub and has a seizure because of the flashing lights, the entire club has to close down because it can be "harmful to kids' health"... but not too long ago when common sense was actually a thing, you would just tell the kid not to go to that nightclub



all the normal people laugh it off, but problem is there are billions of younger kids being brainwashed by this sh* and are taking all of this garbage at face value... we're raising a generation of butterflies and it if we think it's bad right now just wait until these kids grow into adults and if the times haven't changed back to normal by then, then we are seriously in for it

 

[leafs in five]

no joke, it's the current era we're in... hopefully it blows over

either way you can't even shake someone's hand these days without them being offended because shaking hands is offensive to them

it's like if one kid goes into a nightclub and has a seizure because of the flashing lights, the entire club has to close down because it can be "harmful to kids' health"... but not too long ago when common sense was actually a thing, you would just tell the kid not to go to that nightclub



all the normal people laugh it off, but problem is there are billions of younger kids being brainwashed by this sh* and are taking all of this garbage at face value... we're raising a generation of butterflies and it if we think it's bad right now just wait until these kids grow into adults and if the times haven't changed back to normal by then, then we are seriously in for it

shut up

 

[Torontonian]

You do realize Sheldon does not coach in a vacuum. There are like 5 men standing behind the bench, plus stats guys, video tape reviewers, scouts, respected alumni, and consultants, who all collaborate on designing these systems. So if it's all a flaming bag of s**t, who assembled this management team? Shanahan. That's who to blame. Fire this fraud after the Bruins sweep.

You do realize Sheldon is the head coach of the team and tells everyone exactly on that bench on what to do and what to focus on for HIS team right?

You think the president of hockey ops is the one telling the coach what system to run? And how we should play on the PK? If that's the case the Leafs have a way bigger problem.

Keefe is a garbage coach who can't run a proper system or adapt in a series.

 

[NVious]

If they lose they should go nuclear, they won't and who even knows if Keefe is even fired with this pathetic loser organization.

Tavares should be stripped of the C and asked to waive his NTC, if he refuses go public with it
All 3 of the core should be put on the market and if they get a good offer for any of them take it and use their money for other needs, if they refuse to get traded just leak it and go explicitly public with it
Shanahan/Keefe fired

Now that 12/16 of the teams have played, it is amazing that this Leafs team which arguably is one of the most talented in the NHL had BY FAR the worst performance. Any team can have one bad game, but for the Leafs this is now game 50+ of this trash and in game 1? Just pathetic.

This is now year 8 of the core, at best they have another 7 years in them at relatively high play, but the question becomes; If they didn't win in their prime, how do we expect them to win past their prime at 30+? Tavares showed how quickly a decline can happen post 30.

I expect none of this though, they maybe fire Keefe, at least as fans none of us should have any expectations/hope when it comes to this team.

these overaction posts are getting old. grow up Toronto.

Overreaction for the most talented squad in 60+ years getting 2 more wins in a playoffs than Kessel/Kadri in nearly a decade? Lmao, the only people that need to grow up are the delusionally positive people who think after 50+ games of failure, this exact group needs to stay together.

 

[mjd1001]

Now that 12/16 of the teams have played, it is amazing that this Leafs team which arguably is one of the most talented in the NHL had BY FAR the worst performance. Any team can have one bad game, but for the Leafs this is now game 50+ of this trash and in game 1? Just pathetic.

This is now year 8 of the core, at best they have another 7 years in them at relatively high play, but the question becomes; If they didn't win in their prime, how do we expect them to win past their prime at 30+? Tavares showed how quickly a decline can happen post 30.

I expect none of this though, they maybe fire Keefe, at least as fans none of us should have any expectations/hope when it comes to this team.

The above is crucial to me, but I think 7 years might be generous.

This team, with this 'core', is in their prime window NOW. This year. Next year. Maybe, maybe the year after but that might be pushing it. Sure, they aren't going to drop off a cliff in 2 years from now, but statistically, most forwards reach their peak production in their late 20's.

Also, through MOST of recent history, cup winnners that have been lead by superstars....have their top forwards (most of them) in their late 20's when they win the cup. If I'm correct, even Crosby hasn't won a cup since he was 29. Ovi did it a little later but at that point he had much more support and a better roster top to bottom around him (not sure the Leafs can do that with how much they pay the 'core' and how little draft capital/prospects they have)

So I'm not saying it is impossible, but their window is now. This year. Next year. If you are going to keep this core together, 3 to 4 years down the road might be too late.

 

[hoglund]

At least this current team makes the playoffs every year, blowing up the team could mean no playoffs for 9 years or something similar.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Look for big nights from Marchment, Amadio, Moore and half the Edmonton roster tonight, after ex-leafs scored 6 goals so far.

Connon Brown hat trick incoming.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

The amount of times they've come out flat with no urgency or energy in the playoffs the last two years and beyond is troubling especially considering their lack of playoff success. At what point do you decide that this core just doesn't have it and never will?

3 playoffs ago after the Montreal series.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Embarrassing. Sky has fallen in Leafs nation and there are threads on the main boards about trading Marner, Matthews wanting out, stripping Tavares of the C, and firing Keefe.

1 game in.

7 years and 1 game in. Nice try.

 

[DarkKnight]

Move forward.

 

[NVious]

The above is crucial to me, but I think 7 years might be generous.

This team, with this 'core', is in their prime window NOW. This year. Next year. Maybe, maybe the year after but that might be pushing it. Sure, they aren't going to drop off a cliff in 2 years from now, but statistically, most forwards reach their peak production in their late 20's.

Also, through MOST of recent history, cup winnners that have been lead by superstars....have their top forwards (most of them) in their late 20's when they win the cup. If I'm correct, even Crosby hasn't won a cup since he was 29. Ovi did it a little later but at that point he had much more support and a better roster top to bottom around him (not sure the Leafs can do that with how much they pay the 'core' and how little draft capital/prospects they have)

So I'm not saying it is impossible, but their window is now. This year. Next year. If you are going to keep this core together, 3 to 4 years down the road might be too late.

Through Crosby's first 49 playoff games he had:
27 goals and 63 points

Malkin's first 49 playoff games:
24 goals and 62 points

Mackinnon in his first 50 playoff games
28 goals and 69 points

Rantanen's first 43 games:
18 goals and 52 points

McDavid's first 49 games:
29 goals and 75 points

Drai's first 49 games:
31 goals and 77 points

Patrick Kane's first 49 playoff games:
20 goals and 52 points

Jonathan Toews first 53 playoff games:
17 goals and 48 points

Kucherov's first 45 playoff games:
22 goals and 43 points

Ovechkin through his first 51 playoff games:
30 goals and 59 points

Even lets go back to Yzerman who was a supposed playoff failure before Detroit put it together, his first 50 games:
22 goals and 54 points

Matthews through his first 51 playoff games he has:
22 goals and 44 points

Says it all when you're barely outgoaling Kane/Toews in a higher scoring era. The rest of the duds on this team have followed suit with their own blend of failures, but honestly if you don't have it in your first 50 games in your prime, why should anybody expect better as you get older?

 

[ACC1224]

At least this current team makes the playoffs every year, blowing up the team could mean no playoffs for 9 years or something similar.

The thread is just a bunch of venting(whining) after one game. Has anyone actually shown how to 'blow this team up' ?

I'm amazed at how many thought they would win game 1. Seemed like the expected result to me.

 

[Maple Leaf]

They just look weak out there
What else is there to say?