Buffalo Bills Bills (6-2) vs. Vikings (7-1), November 13, 1PM ET: 'Both Teams Can Win A Trade' edition

[Buffalo Norsemen]

Apparently there are Twitter rumblings that the news is bad on Josh. Real bad. From semi-reliable sources apparently.

I am hoping this isn't the case...........

I think someone's been watching too many election commercials

Right now its a sore elbow, lets see where it goes

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

If true, I’d rather try to get Darnold or Baker from Carolina then run Keenum.

The nfl trade deadline passed last week.

 

[Zman5778]

I think someone's been watching too many election commercials

I was trying to get the universe to punish me for spreading rumors.

It worked.

 

[Dubi Doo]

This has been a year from hell in regards to injuries. Geez...

 

[Fezzy126]

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

I’d rather have Allen throw with his left arm and run than have Case Keenum start.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

I remember he had a UCL injury as a rookie and missed 4 games (iirc). Hopefully that’s worst case scenario. Still hopeful he doesn’t miss any time, or only a game or two.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

Probably the baseball fan in me, but I can't help but go straight to Tommy John surgery at the mere mention of his UCL.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

We play Minnesota, Cleveland, Detroit, and NE the next four weeks. So if worst case scenario is Allen misses time, these are the games to do it. Might make it hard to win the #1 seed, but even if the falter a bit, they've got a ton of divisional games down the stretch so the division is still a possibility.

They just need Josh to be well and get into the playoffs.

 

[Dubi Doo]

This could be very, very bad. Hoping for the best.

 

[Dubi Doo]

We play Minnesota, Cleveland, Detroit, and NE the next four weeks. So if worst case scenario is Allen misses time, these are the games to do it. Might make it hard to win the #1 seed, but even if the falter a bit, they've got a ton of divisional games down the stretch so the division is still a possibility.

They just need Josh to be well and get into the playoffs.

The worst case scenario is quite a bit worse than missing a few game. From what Ive read- and someone with more knowledge on it can chime in- Allen would be done for at least a full year if it's a tear. The fact theyre looking for a 2nd opinion has me worried. Eerily similar to how Hyde's injury announcement played out.

Damn, the replay on that was UGLY. I was worried as hell after seeing it. Then he launched a pass 70 yards and I thought- well maybe it's not too bad!

Hopefully the football gods show us mercy!

 

[Waterfowlist]

The worst case scenario is quite a bit worse than missing a few game. From what Ive read- and someone with more knowledge on it can chime in- Allen would be done for at least a full year if it's a tear. The fact theyre looking for a 2nd opinion has me worried. Eerily similar to how Hyde's injury announcement played out.

Damn, the replay on that was UGLY. I was worried as hell after seeing it. Then he launched a pass 70 yards and I thought- well maybe it's not too bad!

Hopefully the football gods show us mercy!

Where did you hear they were getting a second opinion? If they were seeking a 2nd opinion that would be indicative of weighing the need for surgery.

Waiting another day to full evaluate the injury (i.e., determine the severity of swelling) is very different. That is what I gathered from the press conference.

 

[Zman5778]

The worst case scenario is quite a bit worse than missing a few game. From what Ive read- and someone with more knowledge on it can chime in- Allen would be done for at least a full year if it's a tear.

I THINK that the rehab for an NFL QB wouldn't quite be as bad as for an MLB pitcher.....but yeah, we'd be looking at a full calendar year if not a bit longer. We wouldn't see the "real" Josh Allen until 2024.

If it is a UCL and if Tommy John is needed.......2022 and 2023 basically become throwaway years.

 

[Waterfowlist]

An mlb pitching motion is far more stressful to your arm than throwing a football. Even for quarterbacks like Josh that throw 80 yards. That is why so few quarterbacks ever need to have the surgery while seemingly 50% of pitchers eventually need it. Lots of pitchers actually pitch through partial tears for a year or two before the undergo the surgery (Seth lugo for example).

Lugo (elbow) out 6 wks; happy it's not worse

NEW YORK -- The Mets’ rebuilt bullpen took a significant hit on Saturday, when the team announced that Seth Lugo will undergo surgery to remove a loose body from his right elbow. The Mets intend to shut Lugo down from throwing for six weeks, which will take him out of

www.mlb.com

"Lugo will undergo surgery on Tuesday, but the right-hander -- who has been pitching with a partially torn UCL in his elbow for at least the past four seasons -- called his fate far better than the worst-case scenario."

 

[NotABadPeriod]

The worst case scenario is quite a bit worse than missing a few game. From what Ive read- and someone with more knowledge on it can chime in- Allen would be done for at least a full year if it's a tear. The fact theyre looking for a 2nd opinion has me worried. Eerily similar to how Hyde's injury announcement played out.

Damn, the replay on that was UGLY. I was worried as hell after seeing it. Then he launched a pass 70 yards and I thought- well maybe it's not too bad!

Hopefully the football gods show us mercy!

Let me rephrase.

"Worst case scenario that I will allow my mind to entertain". My reaction to the rest of your post is

 

[5 Minute Major]

I THINK that the rehab for an NFL QB wouldn't quite be as bad as for an MLB pitcher.....but yeah, we'd be looking at a full calendar year if not a bit longer. We wouldn't see the "real" Josh Allen until 2024.

If it is a UCL and if Tommy John is needed.......2022 and 2023 basically become throwaway years.

This simply isn’t true.

Don’t even try to compare the time it would take a pitcher to recover from that surgery to what it would for a QB.

A pitcher puts way more stress on his elbow, hence why it would take a much longer recovery.

 

[Zman5778]

This simply isn’t true.

Don’t even try to compare the time it would take a pitcher to recover from that surgery to what it would for a QB.

A pitcher puts way more stress on his elbow, hence why it would take a much longer recovery.

I've known you for 10+ years on various message boards.

You know I wouldn't say something like that flippantly. An MLB pitcher needs 12-18 months. That's well known. The last QB to get Tommy John surgery was Jake Delhomme and he was out from game 3 of 2007 to the start of 2008. That's basically a year. And he needed a few weeks to get "back to his old self".

If Josh has the surgery now.....he's back in mid 2023 and might get back to his old self by the playoffs.

We'll see. Hopefully he doesn't need it.

 

[misterchainsaw]

I would be very surprised if Josh needed Tommy John. It's usually a stress injury that happens over time, not something that's caused by an impact, AFAIUI. Delhomme is quite literally the only QB I can tell who had it done. A lot of elbow injuries end up getting played through and operated on in the offseason.

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

 

[Ace]

Team desperately needed wide receiver help. Hope it doesn’t become too obvious like addressing vet pass rusher was last year. To be this close and be a day late on the thing everyone knows they need twice would be devastating.

help us OBJ, you’re our only hope.

 

[Zman5778]

I would be very surprised if Josh needed Tommy John. It's usually a stress injury that happens over time, not something that's caused by an impact, AFAIUI. Delhomme is quite literally the only QB I can tell who had it done. A lot of elbow injuries end up getting played through and operated on in the offseason.

I wonder if Josh's previous UCL injury affects things here though? Also doesn't seem good that the nerve might be involved.

We shall see. I'm fully expecting a kick to the balls.

 

[misterchainsaw]

I wonder if Josh's previous UCL injury affects things here though? Also doesn't seem good that the nerve might be involved.

We shall see. I'm fully expecting a kick to the balls.

I can't imagine that a sprain from 4 years ago wouldn't have fully healed by now. Just coincidence that the same body part got banged this time I think.

To be clear, I have no idea how seriously he's injured (obviously). My point is a Tommy John injury would both be extraordinary rare for an NFL QB and an impact injury would not be typical for how people generally need the surgery in the first place.

 

[5 Minute Major]

I've known you for 10+ years on various message boards.

You know I wouldn't say something like that flippantly. An MLB pitcher needs 12-18 months. That's well known. The last QB to get Tommy John surgery was Jake Delhomme and he was out from game 3 of 2007 to the start of 2008. That's basically a year. And he needed a few weeks to get "back to his old self".

If Josh has the surgery now.....he's back in mid 2023 and might get back to his old self by the playoffs.

We'll see. Hopefully he doesn't need it.

Delmomme had Tommy John surgery in October and was fully participating in spring team activities the following year. That is not a full year. Not even close.

Sources: Bengals' Palmer likely done for season

Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer is unlikely to play another game in the 2008 season but he will delay a decision on whether to have surgery to repair a "frayed" ligament in his right throwing elbow, sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

www.espn.com

 

[5 Minute Major]

Delhomme said he was “better than ever” six months after TJ surgery.

Again, it’s WAY different for a QB than a pitcher. So much different that we could see Allen play through this and elect to have this surgery in the off-season and miss a little time early in 2023.

 

[truthbluth]

We're f***ed