DeagleJenkins
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Having a goal and achieving it doesn’t have to be immediate. He is trending the right way.
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Minnewildsota
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Well, considering he's been handcuffed for roughly 4 of those years, not sure what you should expect? Yes, he initiated the buyouts but I don't think many people here would disagree the team seems to be playing better without those 2 players.
Player drafting and development, while still unproven, seem to be trending in the right direction.
Additionally, no GM is going to come out and say, "Hey everybody. Due to the buyouts, which I initiated, we're going to f***ing suck for the next 4 years." It was lip service to the fans.
Better, how? The results have been mediocre....same as they were under Fletcher....worse, actually. Fletcher's teams won two series.
So you're fine with us being mediocre for the first 6 years(at least....imagine if Kaprizov bolts after his contract is up) of Guerin's run? I'm sure not. If I knew that was going to be on the menu, i would rather that we sold off assets and did a proper tank.
Bottom line is that while BG has a nice TDL, in the great scheme of things it's nothing if it doesn't lead to playoff series wins. That's what he said his goal was....I'm just holding him to his own standards.
Minnewildsota
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I haven't seen you much in the politics thread, I'd love to see that lol.
If you were expecting Cup wins during the buyouts, you set yourself up for failure. That seems like a you problem.
I'm fine being "mediocre" for the first 6 years given the circumstances that the team is in. If Kap bolts, he bolts. I don't think that's indicative of the team - where would he go if he honestly expects to be Cup runners every year?
Well, those were Guerin's words, not mine. I don't think it's too much to ask for the team to win a series or two, and to hold the GM accountable if he does not put together a team to make it happen over an extended time.
Minnewildsota
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Did he specifically say in the 4 years? Or was it a generic, boilerplate, "I want to bring a Cup to Minnesota"?
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When the buyouts come off the books is when i expect to see a real run in the playoffs, no more excuses then. All the success were having (making it the to the playoffs with the amount of dead cap we have) now is just icing on the cake for me. Im sorta surprised more people arent talking about it but then again im not because its the Wild.
Cmon, Fletcher sold the farm every deadline and Guerin has built maybe the best prospect pool in the league while regularly giving us 100 points. Playoff failures are on Dean more than Guerin., he’s been badly outcoached every series he has been part of .
Fletcher once built the best prospect pool in the league too.
Nobody is saying not to give Billy any credit, just don't exaggerate it either. He's not some unprecedented revelation at GM here yet.
Minnewildsota
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He's not, but I would say the future looks promising. Probably more promising than it did under Fletcher, due to Guerin understanding not to give away prime assets for mediocre players.
A lot of the future still depends on this coming offseason. I'm not seeing a team setup for long term success as of yet. I see a bubble team getting band-aids thar can't win face offs and has no apparent future top line center
In other words... same-o same-o, been there done that.
Minnewildsota
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So did Khovanov... until he didn't.
Not saying the same will happen there, but he's far from a sure thing.
Minnewildsota
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Didn't Khovanov have work ethic issues/concerns? I haven't heard/read ANYTHING about Khut being the same.
I mean, by that logic, nobody should draft Bedard because Andre Veilleux flamed out as a #1 pick.
This off-season matters very little IMO, we will not see a ton of movement and this same core will be here. Next year is when the buyouts are going to hurt the most, we will be very limited on options and it is unlikely that we can improve much from the current team, but at least 24-25 we will potentially be able to bank space to start the season and then we open ourselves up to being able to actually trade for players with term mid-season.
Minnewildsota
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I don't believe working ethic became apparent until he joined the organization though. Everything looked great until then.
Minnewildsota
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My memory is hazy but I thought there were rumors of being overweight even before joining.
You made it seem like this specific offseason held more weight than others. I do agree each offseason matters a lot.
I didn't say it was particularly MORE important, I just said a lot of the future depends on it, because it's next and the team as is, needs a lot of work.My memory is hazy but I thought there were rumors of being overweight even before joining.
You made it seem like this specific offseason held more weight than others. I do agree each offseason matters a lot.
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Khovanov tore up the QMJHL on a good team at the age of 20, Marat is the top line center on the best team in the second best league in the world at 20. A league that Khovanov still can’t break into for that matter. Khusnutdinov looks like a surefire top-6 center to me.
If Guerin makes a conference finals run during the buyouts I’ll consider it a huge win and him worthy of his extension. I like the direction he’s trending though. I remind myself quite often that, just like players, GMs and Coaches can improve as time goes on. I like Guerin’s moves the last 365 days a lot more than the previous 2 years.
Spurgeon
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I’m very curious how many teams are going to try to replicate what Guerin did this season. Accumulating cap space throughout the season by staying $4-5 million under the cap allows for so much flexibility at the TDL.
It doesn’t feel like it has got talked about enough by the national coverage, but the cap management by Guerin this season has been phenomenal. What he’s been able to accomplish while being handcuffed by $13M in dead cap is insane.
Every single one of his TDL acquisitions has paid off. He somehow added 4 playoff contributors, dumped Greenway’s contract for next season, and ended up with more assets than he lost. I’m one of the biggest critics of Guerin, but what he did this season is the most impressive GM performance in our history.
Let’s hope things keep rolling today.
It doesn’t feel like it has got talked about enough by the national coverage, but the cap management by Guerin this season has been phenomenal. What he’s been able to accomplish while being handcuffed by $13M in dead cap is insane.
Every single one of his TDL acquisitions has paid off. He somehow added 4 playoff contributors, dumped Greenway’s contract for next season, and ended up with more assets than he lost. I’m one of the biggest critics of Guerin, but what he did this season is the most impressive GM performance in our history.
Let’s hope things keep rolling today.
