That's fair, but 13 year contracts are insane in any league, and not one but two! Especially one with a hard cap like NHL
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Yep… Did they punish anyone else with major cap penalties? I know Weber was one and that’s why he was LTIRetired
Minnewildsota
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I thought there was 1 other but I can't remember who it was - but I think they were LTIRed as well. Hossa?
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Weber, is of course, still kicking around on LTIR, and being passed around like a.... well, I'll leave it at that. Hossa was also thought to have had his contract,...ahem..."finessed" ... by LTIR.
There is absolutely no doubt that MN got screwed by the league. Having said that, I always doubted whether Parise was a truly elite player, and whether either of them was worth putting that much money into.
The cap is being circumvented as we speak by well heeled, playoff bound teams that can afford to put players on the shelf till playoffs roll around and the players are miraculously healed. How that is any different in spirit from what the Wild did is beyond me, and how they got punished for something that was allowed under the CBA at the time ... well, it's crazy. No way Bettman would've done it to his beloved Rangers, or the Leafs.
Old news, however.
There is absolutely no doubt that MN got screwed by the league. Having said that, I always doubted whether Parise was a truly elite player, and whether either of them was worth putting that much money into.
The cap is being circumvented as we speak by well heeled, playoff bound teams that can afford to put players on the shelf till playoffs roll around and the players are miraculously healed. How that is any different in spirit from what the Wild did is beyond me, and how they got punished for something that was allowed under the CBA at the time ... well, it's crazy. No way Bettman would've done it to his beloved Rangers, or the Leafs.
Old news, however.
Seeing what Johansson actually is now, vs the injured one that we had, this makes the Staal for Johansson trade look pretty darn good for Guerin from a talent evaluation standpoint. If not for the injuries, we would have been getting a pretty good player with a future, vs a rapidly declining Staal. Unfortunate that he was actually injured, but this trade has been used as a complaint against Guerin for years and I don't think that looks fully justified now that we see the reward part of that equation was actually pretty good compared to the risk.
well, they had to be scouting him at that time, so they should've known that wasn't healthy. also, they tried to tell us that he could play C, when it's pretty clear that he can't.
Scouting doesn't tell you a player is going to break his arm when you trade for him.
Yeah, he was even slow skating the first time around. He was a labored, slow, sloppy player from the first day he suited up. Yes, he wasn't Reaves slow, but he wasn't the fast skater we're seeing now either.
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Suter was worth every penny. Still would be. Especially given his dead cap and goligoskis even out over his original.
Buying out Parise was good, Suter bad.
This is funny because it’s 100% backwards. Guerin wanted only Suter gone because of his attitude/personality, but ended up just doing both buyouts.
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There is literally nothing to back up that statement.
Parise was the obvious one because he had become a shell. It was well known he was likely being bought out. No one predicted Suter.
If you disagree, find a source. Anything predicting he'd be bought out. I'd settle for a random HFBoard post.
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Suter? Great player. Last guy I’d want on my team. Not a team player. But Having a “ coach” like Yeo. Or better Yo , didn’t help.
GMBg is perhaps abrasive at times but I think most agree a cup winner is built around high character players. Bergeron, Sid, Mac,OV,…..Reaves….
99% sure Russo said it in one of his articles or his podcasts.
I’m not gonna spend hours sifting through his stuff to find it though.
So I guess you “win” by default.
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I remember this as well. I don't think it was "predicted" that it would happen, but after it did, Russo did some digging and found out that there were some locker room issues with Suter and Guerin wanted to move him out along with Parise so that they could move on from that era and start anew.
I don’t trust reporting that supports management moves after the fact. Lazy journalism at best, toadyism at worst. The nature of sports journalism, with it’s close relationships to the team, causes reporters to lose objectivity.
If Russo had come out with articles before the buyout about what a cancer Suter was then I’d respect it. Afterwards…meh. Too easy.
Suter worked his ass off for the team, never was in the papers for anything distasteful in his personal life. Almost never missed a game, and was a top 5 Dman. If that’s a problem player then give me more problem players.
If Russo had come out with articles before the buyout about what a cancer Suter was then I’d respect it. Afterwards…meh. Too easy.
Suter worked his ass off for the team, never was in the papers for anything distasteful in his personal life. Almost never missed a game, and was a top 5 Dman. If that’s a problem player then give me more problem players.
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Conversely, you could argue that if Suter did everything you said and there were no issues with him at all off the ice, I don't think that Guerin would have bought him out. There must've been something going on with him to take such drastic action.
I am sure he has an ego. Many stars do. What I dispute is that he was considered a net negative, or unmanageable. If you bought out Parise, told Suter that Spurgeon was going to be the new captain, and that was he was going to be taken off the #1 PPand be getting less, but still extensive TOI, I am sure that Suter would get the message, and behave appropriately. When was he ever in his career been anything less than professional?
This character assassination via whisper campaign since he has left leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
The Adam Oates controversy where it was first pinned on Parise and then it came out that Suter played a role in it. Everyone dismisses it because it happened under Yeo's watch, but it was pretty disrespectful.
Then you had the whole Brodin/Dumba controversy - was it overblown? A little. Again, this happened under Yeo's watch and people dismissed it, because it was Yeo.
More so, there has been the persistent and ongoing rumor that Suter and Leipold were pretty tight and that caused some rifts between management and player.
Finally, there is the whole us vs them in the locker room. There has been ongoing talk for a while that there was a locker room divide.
Take it as you want it, Arnott talked a lot about Suter here: https://www.si.com/fannation/bringm...nott-claims-ryan-suter-was-hated-in-minnesota
This isn't character assassination. I think there was much more going on with Suter and Russo was being respectful (and careful) not to delve too deeply as he didn't want to lose access to the team.
Same with Koivu.
I think Parise on the other hand got the short end of the stick. If Suter had the professionalism as Parise, I think he would have gone further.
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I have no idea of the inner workings of the Wild but I have a hard time believing GMBG would buy out a huge contract like that without a good reason. There certainly seems to be a more team first approach since Parise/Suter left.
