Management Bill Guerin

[Wabit]

Still bummersville.

Tell me about it.

If they had anyone to replace him on PP1 then he should get a couple games in Iowa to go and dominate.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Tell me about it.

If they had anyone to replace him on PP1 then he should get a couple games in Iowa to go and dominate.

So maybe Rossi is really good and it was Boldy holding him back? It's not a 0% chance.

 

[AKL]

Boldy is due for a couple tonight.

Someone said this a few games ago and then Kaprizov got a hattrick and Boldy got nothing.

Is it too late to trade him for a 2nd+4th? I think the only caveat is he just won't be able to play in the playoffs for his new team, right? Which is probably for the better for that team.

 

[Wabit]

So maybe Rossi is really good and it was Boldy holding him back? It's not a 0% chance.

Not 0% sure, but Rossi was 1.1 GF/60 without Boldy in 108 mins compared to 0.00 with Boldy in 65 mins. The 1.1 is still trash.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Probably should be noted that Boldy's individual chance generation numbers are where we'd want them.

ixG - 2nd on team, behind Kaprizov
iSCF - 2nd on team, behind Kaprizov
iHDCF - 3rd on team, behind Ek and Kaprizov

Obviously this goes to the finishing aspect of things, but this is a lot of the reason why I'm not worried about it at this moment.

 

[AKL]

Probably should be noted that Boldy's individual chance generation numbers are where we'd want them.

ixG - 2nd on team, behind Kaprizov
iSCF - 2nd on team, behind Kaprizov
iHDCF - 3rd on team, behind Ek and Kaprizov

Obviously this goes to the finishing aspect of things, but this is a lot of the reason why I'm not worried about it at this moment.

On top of the fact that he seemed to have no trouble last year with Fiala. Don't think that ability just disappears from 20 to 21 with no hope of returning.

 

[Wabit]

Probably should be noted that Boldy's individual chance generation numbers are where we'd want them.

ixG - 2nd on team, behind Kaprizov
iSCF - 2nd on team, behind Kaprizov
iHDCF - 3rd on team, behind Ek and Kaprizov

Obviously this goes to the finishing aspect of things, but this is a lot of the reason why I'm not worried about it at this moment.

The x-stats don't mean much to me. Actually doing stuff in games is what matters to me.
Boldy and JEE are .03 ixg/60 behind Kap.
Steel and Greenway are within .3 ixHDCF/60.
Duhaime is tied with Boldy for iSCF/60.

On top of the fact that he seemed to have no trouble last year with Fiala. Don't think that ability just disappears from 20 to 21 with no hope of returning.

Hence the needing to be carried by a better player...

 

[AKL]

The x-stats don't mean much to me. Actually doing stuff in games is what matters to me.
Boldy and JEE are .03 ixg/60 behind Kap.
Steel and Greenway are within .3 ixHDCF/60.
Duhaime is tied with Boldy for iSCF/60.



Hence the needing to be carried by a better player...

Not sure you can call it carried when Fiala's per 82 game pace went from ~65 to ~105 with Boldy. Boldy's giving as good as he's getting there.

E: My numbers were off slightly. It was about a ~55 to ~103 point difference.

 

[Bdub]

Someone said this a few games ago and then Kaprizov got a hattrick and Boldy got nothing.

Is it too late to trade him for a 2nd+4th? I think the only caveat is he just won't be able to play in the playoffs for his new team, right? Which is probably for the better for that team.

I said it the other night. I'll take a hattie from Kap again though.

 

[AKL]

I said it the other night. I'll take a hattie from Kap again though.

Judging by recent trends, Kaprizov is lookin at 0 goals tonight. Maybe if we say Zuccarello is due, that'll get Boldy some goals?

Actually, looking at it more, Zuccarello has:

2 goals in his last 20
1 goal in his last 15
0 goals in his last 7

He's either due for some goals or some criticism

 

[Digitalbooya]

Probably should be noted that Boldy's individual chance generation numbers are where we'd want them.

ixG - 2nd on team, behind Kaprizov
iSCF - 2nd on team, behind Kaprizov
iHDCF - 3rd on team, behind Ek and Kaprizov

Obviously this goes to the finishing aspect of things, but this is a lot of the reason why I'm not worried about it at this moment.

This is why I’m not super worried about it. He’s getting the chances. His shot has been the thing I’ve been harping about. He improves that and I have zero doubt he can be the second best forward on this team.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The x-stats don't mean much to me. Actually doing stuff in games is what matters to me.
Boldy and JEE are .03 ixg/60 behind Kap.
Steel and Greenway are within .3 ixHDCF/60.
Duhaime is tied with Boldy for iSCF/60.



Hence the needing to be carried by a better player...

I'm not shocked.

Can't have the result without the process though.

 

[Wabit]

Not sure you can call it carried when Fiala's per 82 game pace went from ~65 to ~105 with Boldy. Boldy's giving as good as he's getting there.

Where did that go without Fiala this year?

It's why I said Boldy is a complimentary player where this all started a page ago.

 

[AKL]

Where did that go without Fiala this year?

It's why I said Boldy is a complimentary player where this all started a page ago.

Fiala also dropped from 103 to ~83.

It's really not news to anyone else that good players produce more with good players.

 

[Wabit]

I'm not shocked.

Can't have the result without the process though.

The xstats only matter for players people like when they aren't doing well.

Nobody brings up Steel's xstats, Greenway's xstats, or the GREEF lines xstats any of the seasons they were together. They just don't want them in the lineup, traded away, or broken up when the on ice stuff doesn't match the xstats.

 

[Wabit]

Fiala also dropped from 103 to ~83.

It's really not news to anyone else that good players produce more with good players.

Good players also make worse players better.

 

[AKL]

Good players also make worse players better.

Well sure, but there was only one guy one the roster last year better than Fiala, and that guy was never gonna play with Fiala. So in the sense that everyone that was going to play with Fiala was going to be worse than him, he would make them better. That still doesn't mean Boldy is the passenger you're making him out to be.

I mean earlier this season he was producing very well. Had like 18 points in his first 23 games. He's snake bitten right now, going through a rough patch, but he's still playing well outside of finishing.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The xstats only matter for players people like when they aren't doing well.

Nobody brings up Steel's xstats, Greenway's xstats, or the GREEF lines xstats any of the seasons they were together. They just don't want them in the lineup, traded away, or broken up when the on ice stuff doesn't match the xstats.

Only 1 of the 3 were "x" stats.

Again, it's just philosophical differences. I think the process matters.

 

[Wabit]

Well sure, but there was only one guy one the roster last year better than Fiala, and that guy was never gonna play with Fiala. So in the sense that everyone that was going to play with Fiala was going to be worse than him, he would make them better. That still doesn't mean Boldy is the passenger you're making him out to be.

I mean earlier this season he was producing very well. Had like 18 points in his first 23 games. He's snake bitten right now, going through a rough patch, but he's still playing well outside of finishing.

9 of those points came on the PP. The PP is the only spot he valuable this season.

He has 9p 5v5 in the last 60 games. The first 2 games he had 3p 5v5.
21 5v5 on ice GF this year. 5 in the first 5 games. 16 in the next 57.
He's played with everyone in the lineup and there is no scoring on his line with anyone except Steel (who is in the pressbox).

It was Shaw or Dewar that had these numbers we'd all say they had a nice little hot streak and then turned back into a pumpkin.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Guerin certainly has a type. Kept Dumba, though probably not a lot of value there. Brought in guys like Johansson, Sundqvist though Klingberg is a bit of a mystery but could be just with the Ducks. Shipped off Greenway. Might ship out Addison.

Anyone saying it's about cap isn't really correct.

I'm not sure what the type you're describing is...


You mentioned 6 different players, only two in Klingberg and Addison are even similar. But we brought one in and are likely sending the other out.

 

[TaLoN]

The same thing could have been said about Greenway who people wanted punted into the sun.

Difference being, Boldy can still be seen making plays during his struggles to get on the statsheet. Greenway, clearly unmotivated was visibly coasting through games playing lazy.

 

[kfan22]

Deadline pickups all contributing.

Johannson 7GP 1G 3A 4 pts +2
Klingberg 6 GP 1G 3A 4 pts +5
Sundqvist 5GP 1G 2A 3 pts +2

All players have had multi point games and team is averaging 4 goals a game since trade deadline

 

[Digitalbooya]

Deadline pickups all contributing.

Johannson 7GP 1G 3A 4 pts +2
Klingberg 6 GP 1G 3A 4 pts +5
Sundqvist 5GP 1G 2A 3 pts +2

All players have had multi point games and team is averaging 4 goals a game since trade deadline

Nice, and we don’t have the best offensive winger acquired healthy yet. His TDL was pretty good

 

[Grover]

His tdl was great, not good. We are just as, if not more competitive than all the Fletcher years. We have arguably the best prospect pool in the entire league.. all while doing this with Fletchers giant Parise and Suter mistake. the hate for Guerin on this forum is comical.

 

[Minnewildsota]

His tdl was great, not good. We are just as, if not more competitive than all the Fletcher years. We have arguably the best prospect pool in the entire league.. all while doing this with Fletchers giant Parise and Suter mistake. the hate for Guerin on this forum is comical.

I disagree that it was a mistake. You couldn't predict that the league would retroactively punish teams, mostly just us.