Management Bill Guerin

[thestonedkoala]

VAN has no cap space to play with, so any move involving Dumba would also mean 6M or so in cap(i.e. Boeser/Horvat) coming back.

Hockey wise I'd be down for Horvat, not Boeser, but cap wise, neither is a fit going forward.

There is a market for Dumba, just they can't fit him under the cap. Got it.

 

[BagHead]

There is a market for Dumba, just they can't fit him under the cap. Got it.

I have a very strong feeling that teams would be interested in a $0 cap hit version of Dumba. Unfortunately for the Wild and those interested teams, they both need(ed) the cap space.

 

[AKL]

I have a very strong feeling that teams would be interested in a $0 cap hit version of Dumba. Unfortunately for the Wild and those interested teams, they both need(ed) the cap space.

A 50% retained Dumba at the deadline would be closer to $0 than his current cap hit, if they really wanted to make that happen.

 

[BagHead]

A 50% retained Dumba at the deadline would be closer to $0 than his current cap hit, if they really wanted to make that happen.

Agreed. I had a whole thing typed out about how the result is that we either let his contract expire, or trade him at the TDL, but cut it. Maybe I shouldn't have. I have to imagine by that point there'd be a market for him.

 

[Digitalbooya]

VAN has no cap space to play with, so any move involving Dumba would also mean 6M or so in cap(i.e. Boeser/Horvat) coming back.

Hockey wise I'd be down for Horvat, not Boeser, but cap wise, neither is a fit going forward.

Horvat for Dumba would be intriguing.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Horvat for Dumba would be intriguing.

I wouldn't mind Boeser either.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I wouldn't mind Boeser either.

Could we fit him in along with a Boldy extension?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Could we fit him in along with a Boldy extension?

Probably.

 

[57special]

Horvat for Dumba would be intriguing.

But ultimately self defeating, as Horvat would want a new contract of at least what Dumba wants....probably 8x 8M, if the news about the cap rising is true. I'm not sure that the team would want to shell that out for Horvat, when Boldy will be up soon, nvm Kap.

I'd rather invest even more in the future, and try to get back as many picks and young prospects as possible. Until our cap penalties end, we are going into a fight with one hand tied behind our back, as well as having to beat the best team in the league in our own division.

I'm not saying tank, because we are too good to tank, but i am looking forward to 2025-26.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Could we fit him in along with a Boldy extension?

If my calculations are correct, and the cap does actually reach $86.5M for next season (speculated), then I have us at ~$12.67M in cap space to re-sign Boldy, Addison, Duhaime; whatever Faber's ELC ends up being, figuring out a 2nd goalie, and then another two 4th liners:

Boldy - $6.5M
Addison - $2.5M
Duhaime - $1.5M
4th line RW - $1M
13th F - $750k

This is $12.25M right here, which doesn't factor in Faber or a second goalie. Likely only need to find ~$2M in space somewhere. Maybe that's Boldy getting a 2 year bridge instead of a 3 year, bringing the number down, or Addison getting $2M instead of $2.5

 

[Digitalbooya]

But ultimately self defeating, as Horvat would want a new contract of at least what Dumba wants....probably 8x 8M, if the news about the cap rising is true. I'm not sure that the team would want to shell that out for Horvat, when Boldy will be up soon, nvm Kap.

I'd rather invest even more in the future, and try to get back as many picks and young prospects as possible. Until our cap penalties end, we are going into a fight with one hand tied behind our back, as well as having to beat the best team in the league in our own division.

I'm not saying tank, because we are too good to tank, but i am looking forward to 2025-26.

Meh, if it’s between a 2nd + mediocre prospect and 3 months of Horvat for a playoff run, give me Horvat. We’ve got a boat load of prospects at almost every position.

Kap-Horvat-Zucc
Boldy-Rossi-Hartman
GREEF
Dewar-Steel/Jost-Duhaime

Brodin-Spurgeon
Middleton-Addison
Merrill-Faber/O’Rourke

(TDL trade)
MAF/Gus

 

[Digitalbooya]

If my calculations are correct, and the cap does actually reach $86.5M for next season (speculated), then I have us at ~$12.67M in cap space to re-sign Boldy, Addison, Duhaime; whatever Faber's ELC ends up being, figuring out a 2nd goalie, and then another two 4th liners:

Boldy - $6.5M
Addison - $2.5M
Duhaime - $1.5M
4th line RW - $1M
13th F - $750k

This is $12.25M right here, which doesn't factor in Faber or a second goalie. Likely only need to find ~$2M in space somewhere. Maybe that's Boldy getting a 2 year bridge instead of a 3 year, bringing the number down, or Addison getting $2M instead of $2.5

They honestly should go term on Boldy if that is his expected cap hit. At least 4-5 years. If it’s 2 years, I’d hope for more in the 4-4.5 range. That will end right as the major dead cap hits finish.

 

[57special]

Meh, if it’s between a 2nd + mediocre prospect and 3 months of Horvat for a playoff run, give me Horvat. We’ve got a boat load of prospects at almost every position.

Kap-Horvat-Zucc
Boldy-Rossi-Hartman
GREEF
Dewar-Steel/Jost-Duhaime

Brodin-Spurgeon
Middleton-Addison
Merrill-Faber/O’Rourke

(TDL trade)
MAF/Gus

Oh, if it's only that, then count me in, too. I think it will be more like a 1st+

 

[AKL]

They honestly should go term on Boldy if that is his expected cap hit. At least 4-5 years. If it’s 2 years, I’d hope for more in the 4-4.5 range. That will end right as the major dead cap hits finish.

I think we can kiss the days of Boldy getting in the 4's or 5's goodbye. If he even remotely keeps this up he can quite easily ask for 6.5-7. The days of RFA's getting shafted on pay are pretty much over. Especially big name, successful RFA's. 3x6.5-7 is pretty standard for those types of guys right now. Otherwise we could always go like Ottawa did with Stutzle or NJ did with Hughes and do 8x8ish right now.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Oh, if it's only that, then count me in, too. I think it will be more like a 1st+

I hope you’re right. I’m all for stockpiling 1st round picks.

I think we can kiss the days of Boldy getting in the 4's or 5's goodbye. If he even remotely keeps this up he can quite easily ask for 6.5-7. The days of RFA's getting shafted on pay are pretty much over. Especially big name, successful RFA's. 3x6.5-7 is pretty standard for those types of guys right now. Otherwise we could always go like Ottawa did with Stutzle or NJ did with Hughes and do 8x8ish right now.

The last bit is exactly why they should go term. Lock him in at 7x$7-7.5M and I think most would be really happy with that.

 

[AKL]

I hope you’re right. I’m all for stockpiling 1st round picks.


The last bit is exactly why they should go term. Lock him in at 7x$7-7.5M and I think most would be really happy with that.

Totally agree, if you can lock him up at something similar to 7x7 or 8x8, do it. Don't try to f*** around with bridges, because then you're gonna end up paying him 7x9+

 

[Digitalbooya]

Totally agree, if you can lock him up at something similar to 7x7 or 8x8, do it. Don't try to f*** around with bridges, because then you're gonna end up paying him 7x9+

I am pretty impressed by how Boldy has played this year so far. I thought for sure his production would drop a bit with Fiala gone. So far so good production wise

 

[57special]

I am pretty impressed by how Boldy has played this year so far. I thought for sure his production would drop a bit with Fiala gone. So far so good production wise

He's noticeably stronger. Doesn't have that Baby Giraffe look. I ust can't help missing how good he might've been this year if Fiala stayed around. They definitely had chemistry.
Having two one two punches would've been nice.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

They honestly should go term on Boldy if that is his expected cap hit. At least 4-5 years. If it’s 2 years, I’d hope for more in the 4-4.5 range. That will end right as the major dead cap hits finish.

It depends on how he does. The $6.5M is in the range of Barzal/Tkachuk/Point when they got their bridges, all of which were 3 years I think (with a lower cap). Not sure that 4-5 years at that number is realistic, unless the "strategic suppression" of his numbers is an actual thing.

I'm thinking that a 2 year bridge is probably still in the lower $5M average. Going full term takes it to the $8M+ range like Kyrou/Norris/Stuetzle/etc. 4-5 years is probably Jason Roberston range.

 

[Digitalbooya]

He's noticeably stronger. Doesn't have that Baby Giraffe look. I ust can't help missing how good he might've been this year if Fiala stayed around. They definitely had chemistry.
Having two one two punches would've been nice.

Here’s to hoping Rossi can help that situation starting tonight

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Totally agree, if you can lock him up at something similar to 7x7 or 8x8, do it. Don't try to f*** around with bridges, because then you're gonna end up paying him 7x9+

I'm not averse to bridges. For me, the inconvenience of paying them $9M LT after the bridge vs. $7.5M LT instead of a bridge is balanced by pushing the LT contract from the ~22-29 year age range to the ~25-32 year age range, which I more prefer.

 

[AKL]

I'm not averse to bridges. For me, the inconvenience of paying them $9M LT after the bridge vs. $7.5M LT instead of a bridge is balanced by pushing the LT contract from the ~22-29 year age range to the ~25-32 year age range, which I more prefer.

I do see that side of it too, it just makes me nervous to hand out a 2-3 year bridge because when it's over, we'll have an extra 15M in cap space from the buyouts as well as an extra 4-8M in cap increases. Other guys signing contracts in the meantime could set the market rate for a guy like Boldy going into UFA years way higher than I'd prefer. Especially if he gets some linemates during that time and takes off like we all hope he can.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

But ultimately self defeating, as Horvat would want a new contract of at least what Dumba wants....probably 8x 8M, if the news about the cap rising is true. I'm not sure that the team would want to shell that out for Horvat, when Boldy will be up soon, nvm Kap.

I'd rather invest even more in the future, and try to get back as many picks and young prospects as possible. Until our cap penalties end, we are going into a fight with one hand tied behind our back, as well as having to beat the best team in the league in our own division.

I'm not saying tank, because we are too good to tank, but i am looking forward to 2025-26.

Kaps next contract comes when dead cap is gone so that helps plenty. We need a top line C and horvat fits the bill of what we need. If that deal can be done you do it.

 

[57special]

Kaps next contract comes when dead cap is gone so that helps plenty. We need a top line C and horvat fits the bill of what we need. If that deal can be done you do it.

Horvat is not a top line C. He is a Mikko Koivu who doesn't play defense.

 

[Spurgeon]

Totally agree, if you can lock him up at something similar to 7x7 or 8x8, do it. Don't try to f*** around with bridges, because then you're gonna end up paying him 7x9+

Or you can bridge him for 2 years, elect for arbitration in the following offseason, and then trade him for below market value after he puts up a PPG season.