Management Bill Guerin

[HobeyBroten]

Do you think that Wild Bill, could end up as Buffalo Bill, a couple of years from now?
*wink wink*

Regardless if you like or dislike him or the moves he's made to date, I'd prefer for him to see this through the dead cap. I think he deserves it. He has a pretty good scouting and amateur team behind him IMO.

 

[TaLoN]

Billy's stock is probably falling at this point, but doubt his seat is hot yet.

 

[GordieGallant]

Big Guerin fan. Trying to get the Wild respectable after the totally stupid 13 year deals given to Parise and Suter.

 

[Wabit]

Billy's stock is probably falling at this point, but doubt his seat is hot yet.

His stock falling yes, but it was at a gamestop short squeeze high. I see it more a a regression to the norm.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Billy's stock is probably falling at this point, but doubt his seat is hot yet.

I think it would take a really questionable year for his seat to even get warm

 

[f7ben]

I think it would take a really questionable year for his seat to even get warm

How about Fiala putting up 100pts playing with kopitar and kempe?

 

[Bazeek]

How about Fiala putting up 100pts playing with kopitar and kempe?

I don't think this moves the needle for Leipold all that much. Outside of Fenton he's stuck with his GMs for a long time, longer than the fanbase(s) generally would. Unless Guerin starts sowing disharmony within the organization he's probably safe for years.

 

[Southern Minny]

I don't think this moves the needle for Leipold all that much. Outside of Fenton he's stuck with his GMs for a long time, longer than the fanbase(s) generally would. Unless Guerin starts sowing disharmony within the organization he's probably safe for years.

Agree, I say he's safe for a few years after the buyouts are over, see what he can do with use of the full cap.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

How about Fiala putting up 100pts playing with kopitar and kempe?

I don’t think that would matter much at all. We saw what he did with less consistent talent last year. Guerin, and Leipold for that matter, knew that would be in the range of outcomes. I don’t think that is likely, either.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Guerin is safe until his contract is up. It's pretty weird though that you can piss off your players but not your staff who you didn't even hire.

 

[Bazeek]

Guerin is safe until his contract is up. It's pretty weird though that you can piss off your players but not your staff who you didn't even hire.

There are probably always going to be some rough interactions, especially in a mercenary business like pro sports. Whatever was going down with Fenton seemed to go quite a bit further than that.

 

[MNRube]

It’s not unreasonable to think that perception of Guerin could be vastly different in a year or two

-Fiala has another great year

-Dumba who we could’ve moved to retain Fiala continues to play uninspired hockey

-MAF & Gustavsson continue to play horrendously

-Talbot has a respectable season

-Rossi’s development stalls because of the goofy line deployments.

-Gaudreau, Hartman prove to be 1 year wonders and/or reliant on Kaprizov, Boldy & Fiala and aren’t legitimate Top 9 Fs.

-Our non-checking blueline continues to get pummeled every game

 

[BagHead]

It’s not unreasonable to think that perception of Guerin could be vastly different in a year or two

-Fiala has another great year

-Dumba who we could’ve moved to retain Fiala continues to play uninspired hockey

-MAF & Gustavsson continue to play horrendously

-Talbot has a respectable season

-Rossi’s development stalls because of the goofy line deployments.

-Gaudreau, Hartman prove to be 1 year wonders and/or reliant on Kaprizov, Boldy & Fiala and aren’t legitimate Top 9 Fs.

-Our non-checking blueline continues to get pummeled every game

I'm inclined to partially agree. I'm not sure we could have moved Dumba at that time, for instance, but if Rossi gets jerked around by the coaching staff, the team continues to lose anyway, and Guerin does nothing about it? Yeah, that would enrage a lot of people, maybe enough to get Leipold's attention. I think people can stomach a bad team this year, as long as we don't jeopardize the future, and that would be viewed as doing so.

 

[MNRube]

I'm inclined to partially agree. I'm not sure we could have moved Dumba at that time, for instance, but if Rossi gets jerked around by the coaching staff, the team continues to lose anyway, and Guerin does nothing about it? Yeah, that would enrage a lot of people, maybe enough to get Leipold's attention. I think people can stomach a bad team this year, as long as we don't jeopardize the future, and that would be viewed as doing so.

Yeah I think he has a firm hold for now but it’s a tough job to keep for long. His personality is perfect for a GM in Minnesota if he can keep the ego in check.

I think he has situated himself well to keep his job through the buyout penalties but we already seeing the potential fallout of his take no prisoners mentality with the goaltending.

 

[57special]

I never understood how Guerin thought that Greenway, Goligoski, Jost, and Kulikov(yes, I know he's gone- now, after Fiala was traded), and to a lesser extent, Dumba(good player, but...)were worth keeping over Fiala.

We must have one hell of a dressing room, though.

 

[Parax]

It’s not unreasonable to think that perception of Guerin could be vastly different in a year or two

-Fiala has another great year

-Dumba who we could’ve moved to retain Fiala continues to play uninspired hockey

-MAF & Gustavsson continue to play horrendously

-Talbot has a respectable season

-Rossi’s development stalls because of the goofy line deployments.

-Gaudreau, Hartman prove to be 1 year wonders and/or reliant on Kaprizov, Boldy & Fiala and aren’t legitimate Top 9 Fs.

-Our non-checking blueline continues to get pummeled every game

In Russo's post game thing he talk about Guerin's reaction over the summer on I think a radio interview where he had an outburst defending keeping Dumba while trading Fiala. Russo's comment is he knows for a fact that Fenton and Geurin have both tried or are trying to trade Dumba, but there's zero interest in him. He's said similar things in the past so I do kind of believe Guerin wanted to keep Fiala but the cost to free up the cap space to do was worse than we probably think.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I get what MNRube is saying but if that many things all go wrong, it's as much bad luck as bad GM'ing. That itself could buy him time. I'll never understand the circumstances around not fighting harder to keep Fiala on the team but I doubt we will ever know. I'm neutral on him....not a fan, not anxious for a change. Meh.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm inclined to partially agree. I'm not sure we could have moved Dumba at that time, for instance, but if Rossi gets jerked around by the coaching staff, the team continues to lose anyway, and Guerin does nothing about it? Yeah, that would enrage a lot of people, maybe enough to get Leipold's attention. I think people can stomach a bad team this year, as long as we don't jeopardize the future, and that would be viewed as doing so.

Depends. If he plays the whole year and then leaves as a free agent, then we most certainly could have moved Dumba, it just probably wouldn't have been for a 1st+ like some people would like. But if you lose him for nothing anyway, then haggling over the return becomes fairly moot.

 

[57special]

Depends. If he plays the whole year and then leaves as a free agent, then we most certainly could have moved Dumba, it just probably wouldn't have been for a 1st+ like some people would like. But if you lose him for nothing anyway, then haggling over the return becomes fairly moot.

Nvm that losing Dumba alone, for nothing, would get us most of the way to being able to sign Fiala.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Nvm that we losing Dumba alone, for nothing, would get us most of the way to being able to sign Fiala.

Right. If we lose Dumba for nothing, then it's pretty inexcusable that he wasn't moved out, no matter how little the return might realistically be.

Though maybe they just like Faber that damn much to care.

 

[AKL]

Right. If we lose Dumba for nothing, then it's pretty inexcusable that he wasn't moved out, no matter how little the return might realistically be.

Though maybe they just like Faber that damn much to care.

Wasn't it fairly widely accepted that he didn't want to sign in LA and was looking to play closer to home? I bet we might have had a pretty decent chance at signing him as a UFA.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Wasn't it fairly widely accepted that he didn't want to sign in LA and was looking to play closer to home? I bet we might have had a pretty decent chance at signing him as a UFA.

Widely speculated, I think. Not sure about widely accepted.

 

[AKL]

Widely speculated, I think. Not sure about widely accepted.

Fair enough

 

[thestonedkoala]

It's strange that Vancouver is desperate for a rightie but Dumba isn't worth it?

 

[57special]

It's strange that Vancouver is desperate for a rightie but Dumba isn't worth it?

VAN has no cap space to play with, so any move involving Dumba would also mean 6M or so in cap(i.e. Boeser/Horvat) coming back.

Hockey wise I'd be down for Horvat, not Boeser, but cap wise, neither is a fit going forward.