Management Bill Guerin

[Dr Jan Itor]

Hyperbole much?

I'm not flipping tables over it, but taking Vegas to 7 games with Rask and Hartman as your top 6 centers does let the mind wonder about alternate realities.

 

[HobeyBroten]

I'm not flipping tables over it, but taking Vegas to 7 games with Rask and Hartman as your top 6 centers does let the mind wonder about alternate realities.

I don't disagree with this, but even in their short history, doesn't Vegas have a bad track record of closing out teams in the playoffs?

And during the season, we had Vegas' number. Would we have been able to take the Avs or the Blues to 7 or win the series the way we paired up with them during the regular season?

 

[HobeyBroten]

I have it right here, 12.9.



Each party still has their presentation, but it seems like the term is locked in at the 1-2 years, as filed.

And they can still negotiate outside, as well. Absolutely.

I'm not extremely familiar with how arbitrations work, but historically, is filing arbitration between team and player the beginning of the end of the marriage? Or can someone perk up my spirits and share an occasion when a team and player went to arbitration and had a long term relationship?

 

[Bazeek]

I'm not extremely familiar with how arbitrations work, but historically, is filing arbitration between team and player the beginning of the end of the marriage? Or can someone perk up my spirits and share an occasion when a team and player went to arbitration and had a long term relationship?

Arbitration filings are pretty pretty common with RFAs, even if it's usually the player filing. I know Dumba, Zucker and Niederreiter all filed and ended up signing 5-6 year contracts with the team before the hearing.

The hearings are less common, and at that point you're obviously limited to shorter term deals.

 

[Victorious Secret]

I'm not extremely familiar with how arbitrations work, but historically, is filing arbitration between team and player the beginning of the end of the marriage? Or can someone perk up my spirits and share an occasion when a team and player went to arbitration and had a long term relationship?

Not really, just the decorum of the people that handle it. At least, I don't see it out of the ordinary percentage of players that leave their team.

Capfriendly has a feature where you can look year by year. Arbitration Filings - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I think a fair percentage of these you could say had a good, long term relationship:

Familiar: PMB, Harding, Veilleux, Brodziak, Haula, Granlund, Nino, Dumba, Zucker, Kahkonen, Schroeder, Fontaine

Good Players: MAF, Flippula, Callahan, Zajac, Bowmeester, Wheeler, Moulson, Ladd, S. Weber, Dubinsky, Parise, Oshie, Perron, Zucc, Bogosian, Muzzin, Demers, Ekholm, O'Reilly, PK Subban, Stepan, MDZ, Barrie, Kreider, JT Miller, Arvidsson, Tatar, Palat, Zibanejad, Skjei, Coleman, Tanev, Nelson, Trouba, Pionk, Buchnevich

 

[Minnesnota]

The main difference being most if not all of those players were signed to deals prior to the actual hearing.

Once the hearing takes place, yea idk. I can't imagine it would sit well as a player listening to the team that owns their rights pull out the laundry list of reasons you're not worth what you're asking for.

At that point, I feel like the relationship is likely over.

 

[Spurgeon]

Letting this get to a hearing with Fiala will be disastrous when he elects for the 2-year contract. Such a nonsensical move for the team to elect for arbitration.

 

[Victorious Secret]

The main difference being most if not all of those players were signed to deals prior to the actual hearing.

Once the hearing takes place, yea idk. I can't imagine it would sit well as a player listening to the team that owns their rights pull out the laundry list of reasons you're not worth what you're asking for.

At that point, I feel like the relationship is likely over.

Of the 17 team elected (20, but minus the 3 this year), only 5 went to the arbitrators decision. In a weird case, it says Bernier agreed to deal after the hearing, but prior to verdict. Which is unique, to say the least.

MAF/Weber still played however many years with the Pens and Preds. You never know, it takes two.

 

[Ban Hammered]

Letting this get to a hearing with Fiala will be disastrous when he elects for the 2-year contract. Such a nonsensical move for the team to elect for arbitration.

If they feel he's asking for well more than they feel he's worth or they can afford to pay...it's not a stupid move. And if he elects the two year and we don't want to keep him...we can trade him.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Letting this get to a hearing with Fiala will be disastrous when he elects for the 2-year contract. Such a nonsensical move for the team to elect for arbitration.

He should pick 2 years but can choose 1 year and try to force BG's hand again next year.

I'd pick 2 if I were him just to stick it to BG.

Imagine losing Kap and Fiala ..... BG needs to go away

 

[north21]

Lets get fiala some money and term, guy has been absolutely fantastic for us. Lets not trade a skilled winger just because we have two of them.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Lets get fiala some money and term, guy has been absolutely fantastic for us. Lets not trade a skilled winger just because we have two of them.

Very good statement.

!st time in last 5-10 years Wild get some real skill and BG is going to totally Fu$% it up

 

[57special]

Ok, one down, one to go. Would also like to see a Center upgrade, but am not holding my breath.

 

[Bruce Granville]

He worked his magic and locked up Fiala for his prime.
Good job.

 

[Webster]

Oh dear, Guerin is pissed again...

 

[Bazeek]

Oh dear, Guerin is pissed again...

Wouldn't blame him for being irritated, but there's nothing in that tweet to indicate that he is.

 

[nickschultzfan]

If Guerin can sign Kap to around the 5-year, $9m/year figure, I can see Guerin's plan developing in light of the Fiala signing. Next season will be another build and develop year.

Over next year or so, Guerin has flexibility to (1) trade Fiala, Greenway, or Dumba for a pick and cap relief, (2) trade Zuccarello for cap relief, or (3) trade a roster player and a prospect for an established player. All depends on whether Fiala, Greenway, and Dumba take steps forward and how kids develop. He'll bridge pretty much everyone else until Suter and Parise are off the books.

There will not be a step back on the ice. Wild should keep improving every year.

 

[57special]

I sure hope Kap gets nothing like 9M.

 

[Webster]

I'd say the Kaprizov deal is something like 7M x 4. I doubt he takes more term when he obviously doesn't want to stay here.

 

[Minnesnota]

I'd say the Kaprizov deal is something like 7M x 4. I doubt he takes more term when he obviously doesn't want to stay here.

What makes you think it's obvious he doesn't want to be here?

 

[Webster]

What makes you think it's obvious he doesn't want to be here?

Because he was offered $72 million over 8 years, and he said no thanks. It's sickening.

 

[HobeyBroten]

Because he was offered $72 million over 8 years, and he said no thanks. It's sickening.

Please share where this was reported. I missed it.

Been said a hundred times in this thread, he's probably waiting to bridge to UFA.

My question is, how do we know his actual thoughts (or agents) if UFA coincides with when the dead cap comes off? How do we know his camp isn't saying: "we want more money now, less term because we're banking KK will be top 5 player in NHL in the next 3-4 years and will deserve $10M+ AAV both when the cap increases and dead cap is off wild's books."

 

[57special]

It's pretty clear that Theofanous is following the the template he set for Panarin. Four years of RFA $$, contract ends, then he backs up a Brink's truck to whatever team offers the most $$$$$$. All the rest is just noise.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I sure hope Kap gets nothing like 9M.

5 x $9M is probably too much, but at least it's within shouting distance of having some sort of comp.

 

[Victorious Secret]

It's pretty clear that Theofanous is following the the template he set for Panarin. Four years of RFA $$, contract ends, then he backs up a Brink's truck to whatever team offers the most $$$$$$. All the rest is just noise.

Even still, Panarin signed a nice 2x6m extension. It doesn't sound like Kap would even do that here. If that's all he will do, then 50% retain Fiala and Kaprizov, get 5 first equivalents and be a blight for Wright.