Management Bill Guerin
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BlackBusa24
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Neither hold a candle to Tom Reid... Dude can hardly talk and announces on the radio?
I feel like the same people that are gnashing their teeth at what Guerin has done (or not done) are the same people that have been clamoring for the team to tank and rebuild the last couple years.
I'm not expecting anything over the next three-ish years, but I definitely feel like the organization is in a super good place beyond that. If that is indeed Guerins plan, then good on him. As an aside, I am NOT in favor of a tank/rebuild, only saying that if that is what he is doing and he sticks with that plan.... Good on him.
I'm not expecting anything over the next three-ish years, but I definitely feel like the organization is in a super good place beyond that. If that is indeed Guerins plan, then good on him. As an aside, I am NOT in favor of a tank/rebuild, only saying that if that is what he is doing and he sticks with that plan.... Good on him.
This has probably become my biggest complaint about Guerin over the course of the summer. He avoided some of the mistakes I thought he'd make and hasn't made the improvements I hoped he would, which is par for the course for most GMs in most offseasons. But after about a decade of having expectations that the team has usually come up short on I've reverted to just not having expectations. Three years, 246 regular season games, of not expecting anything. I'm also not a proponent of tanking, but this could well be worse. At least from where I'm sitting.
I think we should just rename this team the Minnesota Hope as in we hope that next year we take another step forward...they've been in perpetual hope next year, we take another step mode since 2013-2014.
DANOZ28
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DANOZ28
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i can't understand what some people are thinking, kunin had a good personality that i see no reason guerin should have got rid of him. if guerin knew he was going to dump parise & suter he should not have traded kunin. kunin was on pace to score 20G. we dumped zucker & kunin both imo 20G scorers which drives me to drink we haven't yet replaced their production. can anybody on this msg board understand that???????
How the f*** did we go from 12th (3.16/gp) in scoring to 9th (3.21/gp) in scoring then?
The prospect pool is stacked for the first time in a long time. It'll be a wonky four years, but that gives plenty of time to develop the players correctly.
No. We won't know the result of the Kunin trade until Khusnutdinov and Hunt develop. You claiming a winner right now is completely ridiculous. Way too quick to claim a winner.
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Eventually hope turns to apathy. I’ve said it before, but that 4-1 first round St. Louis series loss in a 100+ point season a few years ago was my turning point.
To lose to Yeo, in that fashion (we scored… 3 or 4 goals in the first three games?), at home in OT, after the Hanzal trade… just gut wrenching.
Everything since has furthered that apathy. Hopefully these prospects pan out. I just remember how some of the older posters here used to sound about Granlund, Coyle, Zucker, and Dumba (myself included). Sounds eerily familiar.
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The pain was coming over the next couple of seasons regardless of Guerin.
His plan to get through that is the shed expensive vets and elevate younger players to shoot the gap.
I agree with the plan.
His plan to get through that is the shed expensive vets and elevate younger players to shoot the gap.
I agree with the plan.
Dr Jan Itor
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I think Kaprizov replaced Zucker’s production pretty nicely.
GuerinUp
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personality doesnt put up points, personality doesnt win games, and who cares if they scored 20g or were on pace to. is that supposed to be some sort of accomplishment?
generally speaking, if the mass majority disagrees with you, youre typically wrong.
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Exactly why I brought up the point in another thread about how the prospect pool could always be deeper. At that time the Wild were consistently being said to have the 1st-3rd best prospect pool in the NHL, and Granlund was on lists as the best prospect in the world, and considered the best player in the world not playing in the NHL. He was as close to a sure-fire 1st line center prospect as the Wild have ever had, and we know how that turned out.
I think the main issue that caused Wild mediocrity actually ended up being the signings of Parise and Suter. Combined with Koivu, there ended up being this weird age gap between the Wild's best players, effectively giving them two cores at once. That would have been fine if they were just a couple of years closer in age, collectively. Instead, the older core was good while the younger core was just starting to reach the NHL level, and then the younger core became impactful at the exact time that the older core was falling off. This isn't something that we're just seeing in hindsight either, it was an issue that was brought up by a few people in Parise and Suter's very first year with the Wild, though I'd be hard pressed to find the articles today.
The lesson to take from it is that Guerin needs to keep the prospect pool together, and jettison the older players at opportunistic times, rather than build around them. Basically, don't throw draft picks away to assist an aging core, like Fletcher did. Instead, stay competitive with the older core that we have now (Kaprizov, Fiala, Brodin, Dumba, JEE), and jettison them for futures if/when it makes sense to. It may never make sense to, and that's fine, just don't throw any futures away in trying to get them "over the hump". So far Guerin seems to be doing that alright, even if I think he's not the best at contract negotiations. If the Wild had more cap space, they could alternatively trade prospects and picks to grab someone like Eichel and go for it with the current core, but with those huge buyouts on the books, I think that'd be a massive mistake.
Never understood the love for Kunin. Guy was barely a 3rd liner and always has had awful advanced metrics and upside limited by a lack of skill and speed. Keeping Greenway & JEE instead of him was a clear win. Even if Marat & Hunt don't pan out, it was worth the risk IMO. People forget Bonino was like 5th on the team in scoring last year too.
GuerinUp
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i never said it wasnt a big deal, i said having a good personality doesnt make you a good player.
Played center/right wing, was one of the only right-handed shots Minnesota had, was fairly young, and hadn't played an entire season for the Wild, so it was tough to tell what his ceiling was at.
He was on pace for a 23 goal season last season.
The hope was that the Wild would trade Bonino at the deadline and get some picks back and help with the rebuild - we all know how that turned out.
But having a bad personality doesn't make you a bad player either.
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I would have thought that the plan was to put some pieces around Kaprizov when he finally got here and started playing. Whether that meant a high end piece or just 'good' upgrades here and there would be a function of what he could actually make happen.
Instead.....silence.....nothing.....Rossi/Boldy......well, great but......:crickets:
Offseason is not over, let the kids play, have patience.....yada yada. It is not unreasonable as fans to wonder, wassup Bill? Is there ANYTHING up your sleeve?
I mean, it was hard to see what Eriksson-Ek's upside was until last season. His shooting percentage was a tick higher than normal, but he started to break out. Kunin was a middle 6 winger/center that was cost controlled. With him missing a huge chunk of his sophomore season, his third season was uneven as he was coming off a major injury. He picked it up later this year.
19 points in 38 games isn't bad, especially on Nashville.
Greenway was roughly .5 PPG before his breakout this season, Eriksson-Ek was less than .5 PPG, Rask was less than .5 PPG and he was the first line center, Hartman is less than a .5 PPG...are you telling me that we should have given up on Greenway, Eriksson-Ek, and Hartman?
Bonino did not outplay Kunin last season. He played almost 20 more games than Kunin. And yes, Khusnutdinov and Hunt are good prospects, but that's all they are right now. Prospects. We have no idea if they are going to progress or not in the NHL. The trade was structured in a way that the Wild should have more shots at getting someone like Kunin later by trading Bonino at the deadline.
19 points in 38 games isn't bad, especially on Nashville.
Greenway was roughly .5 PPG before his breakout this season, Eriksson-Ek was less than .5 PPG, Rask was less than .5 PPG and he was the first line center, Hartman is less than a .5 PPG...are you telling me that we should have given up on Greenway, Eriksson-Ek, and Hartman?
Bonino did not outplay Kunin last season. He played almost 20 more games than Kunin. And yes, Khusnutdinov and Hunt are good prospects, but that's all they are right now. Prospects. We have no idea if they are going to progress or not in the NHL. The trade was structured in a way that the Wild should have more shots at getting someone like Kunin later by trading Bonino at the deadline.
guitarhunterdude
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This is the one argument I really give credence to against that trade. I don't particularly care for Kunin as a player and think there's likely more value to Khusnutdinov/Hunt as a tandem in the future... But there should've been more futures in exchange for Bonino. Probably not much, but something.
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