Better forward group: Tampa, Toronto or Other?

[Sidney the Kidney]

The reason they don't look at the percentage when the contract kicks in because there are chances for the cap to go up or down, so you won't have people saying things like "Crosby signed for 20% of the cap" because the cap just happened to go down.

That's why cap hit percentages are always calculated on the day of that cap, and that's how it is officially recorded.

Irregardless, again, this is getting into arguing semantics about something that wasn't even the main issue. The overall point is, it's a weak argument to say "if he's this good, he should get what this other player gets". Which was my point, rather than arguing the exact fine details of how to calculate cap hit percentages.

The Crosby/Tavares example, whether you want to compare actual salary or percentage of cap hit or whatever, shows that there's no correlation between skill level of the respective players and pay since if that were the case, Crosby should be making much, much more than Tavares. Yet, here we are.

 

[crowi]

"ES this ES that" it's hilarious at this point. I'll take Tampa, but Leafs and WPG are close.

 

[Atomos2]

Because Matthews is a 20 year old franchise player? What does him getting that much have to do with Point versus a 28 year old Tavares?

Umm...because Tavares is a 28 year old franchise player

What's Point?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Umm...because Tavares is a 28 year old franchise player

What's Point?

Tavares is also a UFA. Point is a RFA. Again, what did Tavares get as a RFA? Why is that salary (with inflation) not the comparable?

 

[IPS]

So from this thread, I've learned that a select vocal few Tampa fans would prefer Gourde to Marner, and Point to Tavares.

I'll be interested in seeing that play out. We're in trouble if our 2nd and 3rd best players are worse than Tampa's 4th and 8th-10th best players. Hard to believe considering there wasn't much of a gap last year, and we added Tavares this year.

@DominicBoltsFan will be nowhere to be seen when Gourde comes nowhere even close to his totals last year.

 

[Dbrownss]

Winnipeg.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

@DominicBoltsFan will be nowhere to be seen when Gourde comes nowhere even close to his totals last year.

I would trade Gourde for Marner in a heartbeat but mostly due to age and contract situation, atm they are comparable as players imo. I could see Gourde falling way short of his numbers, in fact I only expect about 55 points from him or maybe less. His all around game kills Marner though, but Marner should pass his level in due time. As for Point, Tavares is better than Point, but again due to age and contract, I would not trade Point for Tavares.

 

[La Masse]

Toronto has the better center depth and Tampa has the better winger depth. Choose whatever you value most.

 

[IPS]

I would trade Gourde for Marner in a heartbeat but mostly due to age and contract situation, atm they are comparable as players imo. I could see Gourde falling way short of his numbers, in fact I only expect about 55 points from him or maybe less. His all around game kills Marner though, but Marner should pass his level in due time. As for Point, Tavares is better than Point, but again due to age and contract, I would not trade Point for Tavares.

Lol sure, we'll come back to this half-way through next year and see what it looks like. I don't have a problem with how highly regarded Point is in this thread because he's a pretty damn good player but Yanni Gourde will never be shooting 18.4% ever again. His year was largely similar to Kadri's '12-'13 season where he scored 44 points in 48 games and hasn't seen that PPG range ever since.

 

[A1LeafNation]

It is both.

Tampa has the better goalie AND defense and I even think their offense is better.

It is a loaded roster until the cap crushes them in a few seasons.

Gotta love that logic.

Better GA but worse defence and goaltending.

 

[A1LeafNation]

On RW:

Kucherov Johnson Callahan Erne

Vs

Marner Nylander Kapanen Brown

I'm taking the Leafs, who wouldn't?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

On RW:

Kucherov Johnson Callahan Erne

Vs

Marner Nylander Kapanen Brown

I'm taking the Leafs, who wouldn't?

good thing thats not our actual rw group, callahan isnt even near our top-9

 

[MoreMogilny]

Individually, player to player, I feel like Tampa has the better group.

But down the middle I like what Toronto has on each of the top 3 lines more, which is hugely important.

I don’t really care to get involved in this measuring contest. If I had to vote, I’d take Tampa, but it’s close. Winnipeg is right there too. Washington and Pittsburgh as well.

 

[34]

IMO, Winnipeg would be first, then Tampa.

Winnipeg is below Toronto and Tampa for sure.

 

[portamoral]

Winnipeg is below Toronto and Tampa for sure.

they definitely are not

 

[34]

they definitely are not

Ok then. If you say so.

 

[MardyBum]

Winnipeg is below Toronto and Tampa for sure.

If we're going to count defensive ability in rankings of forwards, they're first. They have a top 5 offense and their forwards are better defensively than TO's or Tampas. If we're going solely by offense, probably around 4th or 5th right now., but that will change soon enough.

 

[Snowman]

Toronto is below Tampa and Winnipeg yes.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Gotta love that logic.

Better GA but worse defence and goaltending.

I daresay Tampa added a pretty good defenseman at the deadline.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I daresay Tampa added a pretty good defenseman at the deadline.

LOL:

NHL.com - Stats

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

LOL:

NHL.com - Stats

You say a deadline acquisition should immediately fit in and be a difference maker? Most interesting.

 

[A1LeafNation]

You say a deadline acquisition should immediately fit in and be a difference maker? Most interesting.

Lol ok then we still dont know if he is a fit. What we do know is last year TBL was bad defensively.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I would trade Gourde for Marner in a heartbeat but mostly due to age and contract situation, atm they are comparable as players imo. I could see Gourde falling way short of his numbers, in fact I only expect about 55 points from him or maybe less. His all around game kills Marner though, but Marner should pass his level in due time. As for Point, Tavares is better than Point, but again due to age and contract, I would not trade Point for Tavares.

What makes them comparable at the moment?

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Caps and pens.

Toronto and Tampa are top 5 though as well as Winnipeg.

 

[loyaltotheend]

Gotta love that logic.

Better GA but worse defence and goaltending.

Do you realize you're talking about 4 GA??? As though that makes some huge difference.