Best player in the world: 2011

[Voight]

Ya you make a good point for my argument. Thomas's team was great.

Sure, but two years later with a lot of the same guys they didn't win the cup.

Thomas' team being great had a lot to do with him. He wasn't a passenger like Kuemper for example.

This is Thomas imo. only player that maintained that level over a whole season.

Everyone is making a big deal out of 41 games, but doubtful that level of play would have carried over 82 games. hell In 41games in 10-11
Stamkos had 1 less goal and 9 less assists than Crosby and was sporting a 1.37ppg but by the end of the year he had dropped all the way down to 1.11.
In fact there were 5 players over 1.20 ppg at the half season mark by the end only 3 of those players stayed over 1.2 ppg, (1 of them didn't play another game), and all but that same 1 had dropped some from their 41game pace.

This is what gets me. People act like Crosby was lightyears ahead of everyone else - Stamkos was 10 points behind him.

 

[wetcoast]

26-7-6 with a .940SV 1.97GAA and 7SO has a pretty solid claim.

I figured you would be literal and go there well done.

But that being said how is that possible as he obviously missed some games right?

See the problem here?

That was my vote as well, weird Crosby didn’t win the Hart or Ted Lindsey

Sure it was wired since both if those trophies are regular season full season awards.

Also someone brought up the players pill at the time of Crosby's injury and they voted him as the best player...you know the topic on hand.

But obviously Thomas was equal to worst player in the league in the games he didn't play in right?

Asking for a friend who brought up that argument.

 

[norrisnick]

I figured you would be literal and go there well done.

But that being said how is that possible as he obviously missed some games right?

See the problem here?

Thomas was on the roster and dressed for every game that season.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

There are three really upset posters in this poll series. I can’t quite figure out what a Capitals fan, a Flyers fan, and a Red Wings fan have in common.

 

[Golden_Jet]

There are three really upset posters in this poll series. I can’t quite figure out what a Capitals fan, a Flyers fan, and a Red Wings fan have in common.

Non playoff teams?

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Going with Thomas personally. One of the better Vezina seasons of this millennium and an absolute brick wall come playoff time.

Crosby was great in the 41 games he played, but theres 0 chance I am giving my vote to a guy who didn't even play 3./4 of the year. Injuries are unfortunate but they happen.

Thomas also played less than 3/4 of the games. Great standards we have here.

 

[GreatGonzo]

I figured you would be literal and go there well done.

But that being said how is that possible as he obviously missed some games right?

See the problem here?


Sure it was wired since both if those trophies are regular season full season awards.

Also someone brought up the players pill at the time of Crosby's injury and they voted him as the best player...you know the topic on hand.

But obviously Thomas was equal to worst player in the league in the games he didn't play in right?

Asking for a friend who brought up that argument.

Are you referring to that link where they asked a few players and somehow Toews ended up higher than Malkin that year?

Ya, seems legit…

 

[wetcoast]

Thomas was on the roster and dressed for every game that season.

Don't quit your day job but you obviously understand the problem, you just want to avoid it.

I mean one could counter that Crosby was still the captain and around the team yada yada yada but if course you aren't being consistent in your logic which I frankly don't care about but it brings less than zero to the discussion at hand.

 

[wetcoast]

Are you referring to that link where they asked a few players and somehow Toews ended up higher than Malkin that year?

Ya, seems legit…

Sure one was 5th the other was 6th.

The point is that the players understood the question was for best player and Crosby was first.

5 guys from each team, doubt it would have been much different if it was 20 guys from each team.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Sure one was 5th the other was 6th.

The point is that the players understood the question was for best player and Crosby was first.

5 guys from each team, doubt it would have been much different if it was 20 guys from each team.

It was a handful of players…are we forgetting that come awards time, who brought home the Lindsay? Wasn’t Crosby or Toews. Maybe that link your trying to cement as proof is bogus

Well it was different….considering Malkin won the Hart and Lindsay that year. If you can’t see how or why Toews shouldn’t be above Malkin in any way shape or form that year, then I’m sorry but you’re out to lunch.

 

[wetcoast]

It was a handful of players…

No it was 5 players from each team so that's 150

are we forgetting that come awards time, who brought home the Lindsay? Wasn’t Crosby or Toews. Maybe that link your trying to cement as proof is bogus

The question was who is the best player not who is winning what award that year.

Well it was different….considering Malkin won the Hart and Lindsay that year. If you can’t see how or why Toews shouldn’t be above Malkin in any way shape or form that year, then I’m sorry but you’re out to lunch.

Don't accuse others being out to lunch when you don't understand the question, it was for best player not for any awards.

Any list is going to have "problems" but at that point if time Toews was considered extremely high even if both of us can agree that he might have been ranked too high that season.

The thing is Thomas wasn't even top 10 for obvious reasons.

 

[filinski77]

I voted Crosby. The more games you miss, the harder it is to project to a full season. The thing with Crosby this year is he was well far enough on a /gp basis that I’m ok with him missing the half the season.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Yeah that’s a cop out. You just have no consistency other than Penguins are the best.

I'm not allowed to change my opinion?

Sure, but two years later with a lot of the same guys they didn't win the cup.

Thomas' team being great had a lot to do with him. He wasn't a passenger like Kuemper for example.



This is what gets me. People act like Crosby was lightyears ahead of everyone else - Stamkos was 10 points behind him.

There's a huge difference of winning the art ross at game 82 with 10 points and having a 10 point lead after 40 games. That lead would have only built

 

[Phil Kessels Hot Dog]

It was a handful of players…are we forgetting that come awards time, who brought home the Lindsay?

How many players do you think vote for the Lindsay?

 

[GreatGonzo]

No it was 5 players from each team so that's 150

The question was who is the best player not who is winning what award that year.

Don't accuse others being out to lunch when you don't understand the question, it was for best player not for any awards.

Any list is going to have "problems" but at that point if time Toews was considered extremely high even if both of us can agree that he might have been ranked too high that season.

The thing is Thomas wasn't even top 10 for obvious reasons.

So because of that link Toews>Malkin for who was the “better player?” Because some players said so?

if that’s not enough of a red flag for that list then by all means, believe it. It does fit with your agenda.

How many players do you think vote for the Lindsay?

I’ll believe Lindsay voting over an internet site that claims Toews was the better player than Malkin In 2012…

 

[norrisnick]

Don't quit your day job but you obviously understand the problem, you just want to avoid it.

I mean one could counter that Crosby was still the captain and around the team yada yada yada but if course you aren't being consistent in your logic which I frankly don't care about but it brings less than zero to the discussion at hand.

What problem? One guy was on the active roster and dressed for 82 games + playoffs and the other for 41 and no playoffs.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

How Danny Sedin isn't winning this is baffling. Well, not really. There's a negative bias because of his brother.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

voted OV but it should’ve been Crosby. They were neck and neck and OV started to take a dip here.

 

[blundluntman]

voted OV but it should’ve been Crosby. They were neck and neck and OV started to take a dip here.

Ovi? You do know this is the 2011 thread right?

 

[TheStatican]

Sure, but two years later with a lot of the same guys they didn't win the cup.

Thomas' team being great had a lot to do with him. He wasn't a passenger like Kuemper for example.



This is what gets me. People act like Crosby was lightyears ahead of everyone else - Stamkos was 10 points behind him.

This is what gets me. People act like peak Crosby was as streaky of a scorer as 20 year old Stamkos.

Stamkos has always been Mr inconsistent. He had 31 goals and 56 pts in his first 38 and then s*** the bed with just 14 goals and 35 points in 44 games. He did the exact same thing the year before starting off hot 17g 29pts in 24, then slowing down to just 8g 19pts in 25 and then finishing hit 26g 47pt in 33. Crosby is NOT Stamkos. I'm not saying he finishes with 64 goals and 132 points, but 50-odd goals and 120pts is entirely realistic - for the best player in the game in what was likely going to be his career season, and both are totals that he achieved previously.

 

[Voight]

Thomas also played less than 3/4 of the games. Great standards we have here.

..... please tell me you're not serious and dont actually think this is a vlid point?

I'm not allowed to change my opinion?


There's a huge difference of winning the art ross at game 82 with 10 points and having a 10 point lead after 40 games. That lead would have only built

Cant say that for certain.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This is what gets me. People act like peak Crosby was as streaky of a scorer as 20 year old Stamkos.

Stamkos has always been Mr inconsistent. He had 31 goals and 56 pts in his first 38 and then s*** the bed with just 14 goals and 35 points in 44 games. He did the exact same thing the year before starting off hot 17g 29pts in 24, then slowing down to just 8g 19pts in 25 and then finishing hit 26g 47pt in 33. Crosby is NOT Stamkos. I'm not saying he finishes with 64 goals and 132 points, but 50-odd goals and 120pts is entirely realistic - for the best player in the game in what was likely going to be his career season, and both are totals that he achieved previously.

Stamkos had a 60 goal year and got badly injured the following season. He was never really the same. Kind of similar story to Jermey Roenick in that injuries derailed him as he was taking off. Stamkos would’ve been a much better player otherwise.

 

[wetcoast]

What problem? One guy was on the active roster and dressed for 82 games + playoffs and the other for 41 and no playoffs.

I'm pretty sure that Crosby dressed and was in the arena too all season but it's pretty clear where you are at keep doing you.

 

[norrisnick]

I'm pretty sure that Crosby dressed and was in the arena too all season but it's pretty clear where you are at keep doing you.

Pads/jersey, participating in warmups, and on the lineup card every night? I have my doubts...

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Bro, he literally was voted by the players for the Ted Lindsay 3 seasons in a row lmfao.

Anyways, I understand the votes for Crosby and was tempted to pick him myself, but I'm following my goalie agenda and picking Thomas. A .938 35 win season and a .940 conn smythe post-season is just too brilliant to pass up. Crosby was otherworldly but who knows how long he keeps up the pace and whether he fizzles out eventually.

f*** yeah. Goalie is the most gamechanging position.