Best player in the world: 2011

[wetcoast]

So because of that link Toews>Malkin for who was the “better player?” Because some players said so?

if that’s not enough of a red flag for that list then by all means, believe it. It does fit with your agenda.


I’ll believe Lindsay voting over an internet site that claims Toews was the better player than Malkin In 2012…

I'm not getting into the 5th and 6th best players. This poll as that one was about which player was the best in the world.

Zero agenda people can agree to disagree.

As for our friend from Detroit there sure is a moving the goals posts to games dressed but it's so absurd it's hard to call it an agenda it's just bonkers.

Pads/jersey, participating in warmups, and on the lineup card every night? I have my doubts...

Oh I'm sure that you have your doubts that much is clear.

 

[GreatGonzo]

I'm not getting into the 5th and 6th best players. This poll as that one was about which player was the best in the world.

Zero agenda people can agree to disagree.

As for our friend from Detroit there sure is a moving the goals posts to games dressed but it's so absurd it's hard to call it an agenda it's just bonkers.


Oh I'm sure that you have your doubts that much is clear.

Of course your not

So once again, Toews>Malkin for 2012. I look forward to all the votes Toews should get by the next poll

 

[wetcoast]

Of course your not

So once again, Toews>Malkin for 2012. I look forward to all the votes Toews should get by the next poll

For 2012 Malkin will get a ton more votes than Toews.

Also why would one get so sidetracked like that anyways?

 

[Goon42]

I'll take a sedin in 2011 ty

 

[GreatGonzo]

For 2012 Malkin will get a ton more votes than Toews.

Also why would one get so sidetracked like that anyways?

Well according to your “evidence” and the talk of the players of the NHL, Toews should get more votes…right?

Sidetracked? You brought up the link to suggest Crosby>Malkin. I’m only pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument.

 

[bobholly39]

All the Tim Thomas votes still make no sense. No one at any piont thought he was better than Crosby.

Crosby should win this poll. And if you insist on not voting for him - vote for Ovechkin. Give him benefit of the doubt after 3 fantastic years. I don't think anyone else should have votes, really

Best year/season? 100% Tim Thomas. But that's not the question.

 

[norrisnick]

All the Tim Thomas votes still make no sense. No one at any piont thought he was better than Crosby.

Crosby should win this poll. And if you insist on not voting for him - vote for Ovechkin. Give him benefit of the doubt after 3 fantastic years. I don't think anyone else should have votes, really

Best year/season? 100% Tim Thomas. But that's not the question.

What point is it to run polls on who people thought was the best player in any given season rather than who was the best player that season?

Like the weirdos that thought Mario was best in '94 and '95. He didn't play so they were/are wrong.

 

[wetcoast]

Well according to your “evidence” and the talk of the players of the NHL, Toews should get more votes…right?

Sidetracked? You brought up the link to suggest Crosby>Malkin. I’m only pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument.

What flaws exactly are you talking about?

Crosby was first in that pill despite being injured for 3 months and at the time of the poll.

All the pill demonstrates is that the players understood the question being asked which is the same here.

The argument is simply that Crosby was a top 3 player in the world for 5 straight seasons before 11 and his okay and skillset to start the 41 games that season was enough to convince most players in poll and most people here that he was indeed the best player in the world.qyite a simple and straightforward argument and observation and zero need to go down the 5th and 6 guys placement then throw the baby out with the bathwater.......

What point is it to run polls on who people thought was the best player in any given season rather than who was the best player that season?

Like the weirdos that thought Mario was best in '94 and '95. He didn't play so they were/are wrong.

Sure you are right, instead of people expressing their opinions they should try to a higher power in Detroit to find out who is right and who is wrong....WTF?

 

[norrisnick]

What flaws exactly are you talking about?

Crosby was first in that pill despite being injured for 3 months and at the time of the poll.

All the pill demonstrates is that the players understood the question being asked which is the same here.

The argument is simply that Crosby was a top 3 player in the world for 5 straight seasons before 11 and his okay and skillset to start the 41 games that season was enough to convince most players in poll and most people here that he was indeed the best player in the world.qyite a simple and straightforward argument and observation and zero need to go down the 5th and 6 guys placement then throw the baby out with the bathwater.......


Sure you are right, instead of people expressing their opinions they should try to a higher power in Detroit to find out who is right and who is wrong....WTF?

In Gord we trust.

 

[Midnight Judges]

The argument is simply that Crosby was a top 3 player in the world for 5 straight seasons before 11...

Crosby wasn't remotely a top 5 player in his rookie season. He won the Hart in 2007. Then he was not a top 3 player in 08 or 09 as evidenced by not being a hart of Lindsay finalist, and then he was 3rd in 2010.

So your statement is about 60% false.

 

[bobholly39]

What point is it to run polls on who people thought was the best player in any given season rather than who was the best player that season?

Like the weirdos that thought Mario was best in '94 and '95. He didn't play so they were/are wrong.

You'd have to ask the OP. I'm just responding to the question.

If you want to run a poll asking year by year who had the best year in terms of results, I'd participate. My vote would be Tim Thomas when you reached 2011.

 

[bobholly39]

Crosby wasn't remotely a top 5 player in his rookie season. He won the Hart in 2007. Then he was not a top 3 player in 08 or 09 as evidenced by not being a hart of Lindsay finalist, and then he was 3rd in 2010.

So your statement is about 60% false.

Glad we're back to linking best player ranking to hart placements + Lindsay placements with 0 additonal context.

So I assume this means you have Sidney Crosby as the 2nd best player in the world for the 2018-2019 season, correct, since he placed 2nd in hart? And 3rd best in the world in 2021, by virtue of being 4th in hart + top 3 for Lindsay?

I look forward to you agreeing with thia assessment.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Glad we're back to linking best player ranking to hart placements + Lindsay placements with 0 additonal context.

So I assume this means you have Sidney Crosby as the 2nd best player in the world for the 2018-2019 season, correct, since he placed 2nd in hart? And 3rd best in the world in 2021, by virtue of being 4th in hart + top 3 for Lindsay?

I look forward to you agreeing with thia assessment.

Ha! The thing about 2019 was 1) the players didn't agree, and 2) The Canadian narrative was that Crosby was carrying the Penguins - which was always demonstrably false but it somehow caught on regardless. Hilariously, that theory was put to the test a mere few Months later and it failed miserably: That same Penguins roster had a .714 winning percentage in extended time without Sid.

Of course the other Canadian narrative that inexplicably took hold was that Crosby became a huge contributor on defense when in fact his penalty killing was sparse and his offensive zones starts / deployment was overwhelming geared towards offense at 65%.

So yeah, your media is willing to lie for Crosby, and that goes a long way apparently. Crosby is fairly unique in that regard although Toews and Price have at times received a smaller allocation of unearned anointment as well.

The other thing about 2019 is there was a whole gaggle of players who had similarly great seasons that were just as good as Sid's - Marchand, Ovechkin, Goudreau, MacKinnon, Kane, Giordano, Stamkos, Barkov - and most of them were significantly better than Crosby in the 2019 playoffs.

 

[norrisnick]

You'd have to ask the OP. I'm just responding to the question.

If you want to run a poll asking year by year who had the best year in terms of results, I'd participate. My vote would be Tim Thomas when you reached 2011.

Why would you pick the best player for any given year based on anything other than what they did that year?

Lidstrom sandwiched his down season in '03-'04 with 3 Norris trophies on either side. The conceptual Lidstrom would have been considered the best D that year, but the real one wasn't. It's the real one that matters, not who the general public may have thought was, or even should have been, best.

 

[GreatGonzo]

What flaws exactly are you talking about?

Crosby was first in that pill despite being injured for 3 months and at the time of the poll.

All the pill demonstrates is that the players understood the question being asked which is the same here.

The argument is simply that Crosby was a top 3 player in the world for 5 straight seasons before 11 and his okay and skillset to start the 41 games that season was enough to convince most players in poll and most people here that he was indeed the best player in the world.qyite a simple and straightforward argument and observation and zero need to go down the 5th and 6 guys placement then throw the baby out with the bathwater.......


Sure you are right, instead of people expressing their opinions they should try to a higher power in Detroit to find out who is right and who is wrong....WTF?

I literally told you the flaws of that link. You continue to dance around it and it’s humorous, but annoying. By all means, believe the link…all I’m saying is don’t pick and choose what’s best for your argument.

I never said he wasn’t the best player in the world in 2011, I said In 2012. 22 games is hardly the sample size to dictate him being “the best”, especially considering what his own teammate did without him.

Again, it’s simple stuff. You’re just making it complicated for some reason and refuse to acknowledge the major context.

Why would you pick the best player for any given year based on anything other than what they did that year?

Lidstrom sandwiched his down season in '03-'04 with 3 Norris trophies on either side. The conceptual Lidstrom would have been considered the best D that year, but the real one wasn't. It's the real one that matters, not who the general public may have thought was, or even should have been, best.

That’s the beauty of Crosby, he gets the grace period treatment based on “what ifs” and not what he actually did. 22 games for @wetcoast is enough to say he was the best, and his proof is the 2011 season and a Link that has players saying Toews was better than Malkin in 2012. Good stuff

 

[wetcoast]

Crosby wasn't remotely a top 5 player in his rookie season. He won the Hart in 2007. Then he was not a top 3 player in 08 or 09 as evidenced by not being a hart of Lindsay finalist, and then he was 3rd in 2010.

So your statement is about 60% false.

We are on the 10-11 pill, the previous 5 polls have Crosby in the top 3 as the question is "who is the best player" not who won this subjective award here or there.

Most reasonable hockey people can also make that argument but...well you keep doing you.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Why would you pick the best player for any given year based on anything other than what they did that year?

Lidstrom sandwiched his down season in '03-'04 with 3 Norris trophies on either side. The conceptual Lidstrom would have been considered the best D that year, but the real one wasn't. It's the real one that matters, not who the general public may have thought was, or even should have been, best.

Because some of us are capable of more than simple results-based thinking?

 

[wetcoast]

I literally told you the flaws of that link. You continue to dance around it and it’s humorous, but annoying. By all means, believe the link…all I’m saying is don’t pick and choose what’s best for your argument.

I never said he wasn’t the best player in the world in 2011, I said In 2012. 22 games is hardly the sample size to dictate him being “the best”, especially considering what his own teammate did without him.

Again, it’s simple stuff. You’re just making it complicated for some reason and refuse to acknowledge the major context.


That’s the beauty of Crosby, he gets the grace period treatment based on “what ifs” and not what he actually did. 22 games for @wetcoast is enough to say he was the best, and his proof is the 2011 season and a Link that has players saying Toews was better than Malkin in 2012. Good stuff

You seem to be confused as the pill is asking who was the best player in the world basically after the completion of the 10-11 season so hang on to your hat for the 11-12 poll.

Also it's very rare for someone to suddenly become the best player in the world or drop off in contention in their peak years, you seem to be arguing best season and that's a completely different poll question but I think everyone can agree that the Big 3 know this they just have different agendas.

Once again the poll question is pretty simple yet some people want to conflate and confuse.....

 

[Midnight Judges]

We are on the 10-11 pill, the previous 5 polls have Crosby in the top 3 as the question is "who is the best player" not who won this subjective award here or there.

Yes, no doubt some of you will simply vote for Crosby regardless of the facts. It could be a poll about which NHL player is the best at pooping and you'd have 100% conviction that Crosby has a generational sphincter.

 

[GreatGonzo]

You seem to be confused as the pill is asking who was the best player in the world basically after the completion of the 10-11 season so hang on to your hat for the 11-12 poll.

Also it's very rare for someone to suddenly become the best player in the world or drop off in contention in their peak years, you seem to be arguing best season and that's a completely different poll question but I think everyone can agree that the Big 3 know this they just have different agendas.

Once again the pill question is pretty simple yet some people want to conflate and confuse.....

Like I said, by next poll, I better see a good amount of Toews votes. Because using YOUR logic and YOUR evidence that you used, he’s the “better player.” Nothing confusing about that. In fact, it’s very straight forward. But let’s see if your mind can wrap around those facts

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Yes, no doubt some of you will simply vote for Crosby regardless of the facts. It could be a poll about which NHL player is the best at pooping and you'd have 100% conviction that Crosby has a generational sphincter.

You have a truly weird fascination with Crosby, MJ.

 

[Midnight Judges]

You have a truly weird fascination with Crosby, MJ.

Didn't you recently claim it was "impressive" when Crosby was coasting?

 

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George Mahoney

 

[nowhereman]

All the Tim Thomas votes still make no sense. No one at any piont thought he was better than Crosby.

Crosby should win this poll. And if you insist on not voting for him - vote for Ovechkin. Give him benefit of the doubt after 3 fantastic years. I don't think anyone else should have votes, really

Best year/season? 100% Tim Thomas. But that's not the question.

Honestly, this whole poll is kind of comical. 11% of the votes are for the Sedins and no one in their right mind, including 99% of Canucks fans (and that includes myself), would claim that Daniel or Henrik were better than Crosby. Hell, there are votes for Malkin and he scored 37 points in 43 games.

It's funny how quickly this turned into the "best season" poll the moment Crosby hit his (unfortunately injury-plagued) peak. Whether or not he was injured, he played at a level above the rest of the NHL every time he touched the ice. Almost no one thought Thomas was better than Sid at the time.

 

[Video Nasty]

Honestly, this whole poll is kind of comical. 11% of the votes are for the Sedins and no one in their right mind, including 99% of Canucks fans (and that includes myself), would claim that Daniel or Henrik were better than Crosby. Hell, there are votes for Malkin and he scored 37 points in 43 games.

It's funny how quickly this turned into the "best season" poll the moment Crosby hit his (unfortunately injury-plagued) peak. Whether or not he was injured, he played at a level above the rest of the NHL every time he touched the ice. Almost no one thought Thomas was better than Sid at the time.

He has 57% of the votes and only one other player is above 7%. What are you crying about?