Best player in the world: 2011

[bambamcam4ever]

He has 57% of the votes and only one other player is above 7%. What are you crying about?

It's reflective of HF's knowledge level that it's below 90% honestly. There was no dispute at the time who was the best. A level above anyone else in the game.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

It could be a poll about which NHL player is the best at pooping and you'd have 100% conviction that Crosby has a generational sphincter.

I haven't been led to believe otherwise.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Lol, people are seriously operating regular season scoring in these polls (Ovie, Putins best friend)

 

[wetcoast]

Yes, no doubt some of you will simply vote for Crosby regardless of the facts. It could be a poll about which NHL player is the best at pooping and you'd have 100% conviction that Crosby has a generational sphincter.

Not worth it.

Everyone can see.

You have a truly weird fascination with Crosby, MJ.

The technical term is Rent Free.

 

[wetcoast]

Like I said, by next poll, I better see a good amount of Toews votes. Because using YOUR logic and YOUR evidence that you used, he’s the “better player.” Nothing confusing about that. In fact, it’s very straight forward. But let’s see if your mind can wrap around those facts

Nice strawman here the pill is for best player yet you are fixated on some imaginary conclusion that I never came to or put forward but instead you are trying to insert

Feel free to disagree but try to make your own arguments and not speak fasley of other people's arguments.

My argument was pretty clear as was my bringing up the poll results, the players didn't care about the injury and they actually read and answered the question that this thread is about,please try to do the same instead of distract and distort, it's not helpful.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Nice strawman here the pill is for best player yet you are fixated on some imaginary conclusion that I never came to or put forward but instead you are trying to insert

Feel free to disagree but try to make your own arguments and not speak fasley of other people's arguments.

My argument was pretty clear as was my bringing up the poll results, the players didn't care about the injury and they actually read and answered the question that this thread is about,please try to do the same instead of distract and distort, it's not helpful.

players also said Toews>Malkin, even Datysuk>Malkin that year…so either you agree that the link is legit and that that’s factual, or your just picking and choosing from that link what you want to believe. It’s basic stuff.

Nothing to do with strawmen arguments or distorting anything. The link YOU provided as evidence has major flaws. Sorry if you don’t understand that. Sounds like a personal problem.

I expect the next poll to have guys like Giroux, Datysuk, Toews, and Stamkos to all have more votes than Malkin….because again, the players have spoken according to you.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

players also said Toews>Malkin, even Datysuk>Malkin that year…so either you agree that the link is legit and that that’s factual, or your just picking and choosing from that link what you want to believe. It’s basic stuff.

Nothing to do with strawmen arguments or distorting anything. The link YOU provided as evidence has major flaws. Sorry if you don’t understand that. Sounds like a personal problem.

I expect the next poll to have guys like Giroux, Datysuk, Toews, and Stamkos to all have more votes than Malkin….because again, the players have spoken according to you.

 

[GreatGonzo]

That’s cute. what a way of saying “I have nothing of value to add to the conversation.”

 

[The Grim Reaper]

That’s cute. what a way of saying “I have nothing of value to add to the conversation.”

Correct. Go get some fresh air, it's a nice autumn night. Save your energy for tomorrow's game.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Correct. Go get some fresh air, it's a nice autumn night. Save your energy for tomorrow's game.

Ironic that you’re saying that…sitting here, like me, on an internet site debating….well I wouldn’t call what you’re doing “debating.” You’re just being a troll. Take your own advice maybe?

 

[MOGlLNY]

Correct. Go get some fresh air, it's a nice autumn night. Save your energy for tomorrow's game.

Ironic that you’re saying that…sitting here, like me, on an internet site debating….well I wouldn’t call what you’re doing “debating.” You’re just being a troll. Take your own advice maybe?

Kids, kids... There's no need to fight and plenty to go around.. You're both awful.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Ironic that you’re saying that…sitting here, like me, on an internet site debating….well I wouldn’t call what you’re doing “debating.” You’re just being a troll. Take your own advice maybe?

Jesus mate, calm down. I'm just messing you with you. You know, joking?

 

[GreatGonzo]

Jesus mate, calm down. I'm just messing you with you. You know, joking?

All of a sudden did I have to be angry to write that response? Seemed really tame to me…maybe you took it the wrong way?

 

[The Grim Reaper]

All of a sudden did I have to be angry to write that response? Seemed really tame to me…maybe you took it the wrong way?

You follow Philly sports, you idle at angry.

 

[GreatGonzo]

You follow Philly sports, you idle at angry.

I don’t follow any Philly sports. Nice try though. The fact that you have to make something up in order to have an argument says a lot. My Pronger avatar is just funny to me, and your proving why

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I don’t follow any Philly sports. Nice try though. The fact that you have to make something up in order to have an argument says a lot. My Pronger avatar is just funny to me, and your proving why

*you're

 

[wetcoast]

That’s cute. what a way of saying “I have nothing of value to add to the conversation.”

The irony.

 

[Voight]

Stamkos had a 60 goal year and got badly injured the following season. He was never really the same. Kind of similar story to Jermey Roenick in that injuries derailed him as he was taking off. Stamkos would’ve been a much better player otherwise.

Stammer still had some really good elite level seasons after his injuries. Heck, he set a career high in points in 2022. Still ends dup with a bunch of years where he finished top 10 in goals/points but yea, likely adds tot hat if he doesn't get hurt in 2014 or 2017.

Since the NHL neglected to go to the Olympics in 2018 & 2022, and with no guarantee he makes the 2026 squad, might end up without an Olympic Gold too.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Stammer still had some really good elite level seasons after his injuries. Heck, he set a career high in points in 2022. Still ends dup with a bunch of years where he finished top 10 in goals/points but yea, likely adds tot hat if he doesn't get hurt in 2014 or 2017.

You’re right, yes he did. He came back but it was much later on. After his 60 goal year he was seen as the next big scorer and then got hurt. It’s disingenuous to say he was inconsistent.’ The reality is that he got hurt and it derailed his career.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

You’re right, yes he did. He came back but it was much later on. After his 60 goal year he was seen as the next big scorer and then got hurt. It’s disingenuous to say he was inconsistent.’ The reality is that he got hurt and it derailed his career.

Well said. We were robbed of Stamkos' best years.

 

[Video Nasty]

You’re right, yes he did. He came back but it was much later on. After his 60 goal year he was seen as the next big scorer and then got hurt. It’s disingenuous to say he was inconsistent.’ The reality is that he got hurt and it derailed his career.

He was already seen as that. Prior to his 60 goal campaign, he won a Rocket and was second in goals the next year.

After winning Rocket #2, he finished second again. Four straight top 2 finishes from 2009-2010 through 2012-2013.

Then through the day before he played the game he got injured in during the 2013-2014 season, he had 14 goals and 23 points in 16 games. He was tied for the league lead in goals and points and was the leader in PPG a month in.

Of course, add in the point finishes of 5, 5, 2, 2 in the 4 prior seasons and he was well on his way to being the best player to debut after Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin and before McDavid. We also lost our only consistent threat to Ovechkin’s eventual stranglehold on the Rocket.

I agree that people are being disingenuous with their comments. He got derailed by injuries, it is what it is, and he has still carved out a really nice career, but he’s a much more interesting what if than Crosby for instance who ultimately accomplished so much as an individual regardless.

It frustrates me as well when people act oblivious about Stamkos and don’t play the what if game for him like they do with so many other players.

 

[lawrence]

That year ? Sid the kid.

 

[TheStatican]

You’re right, yes he did. He came back but it was much later on. After his 60 goal year he was seen as the next big scorer and then got hurt. It’s disingenuous to say he was inconsistent.’ The reality is that he got hurt and it derailed his career.

Not sure what injuries in subsequent years have to do with how Stamkos was an inconsistent scorer in his first 3 seasons in the league, but ok? Or perhaps you think middle of his peak Crosby was also going to score at only a 25-goal 65-point season-long pace for the season half of this season had he played.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Not sure what injuries in subsequent years have to do with how Stamkos was an inconsistent scorer in his first 3 seasons in the league, but ok?

Not sure why you’d bring this up at all. Nathan Mackinnon took a few years. Stamkos’ rookie year was good and then he put up great numbers. The point is that he had ‘arrived’ and put up a 60 goal year. He was poised to be the next big scorer and then he got hurt. Saying he was inconsistent is disingenuous. He was primed to put up huge numbers.

Or perhaps you think middle of his peak Crosby was also going to score at only a 25-goal 65-point season-long pace for the season half of this season had he played.

Crosby has zero to do with anything here. Whether he or OV would be better or not is beside the point.

The point is injuries got in the way of what should’ve been an awesome prime.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He was already seen as that. Prior to his 60 goal campaign, he won a Rocket and was second in goals the next year.

After winning Rocket #2, he finished second again. Four straight top 2 finishes from 2009-2010 through 2012-2013.

Then through the day before he played the game he got injured in during the 2013-2014 season, he had 14 goals and 23 points in 16 games. He was tied for the league lead in goals and points and was the leader in PPG a month in.

Of course, add in the point finishes of 5, 5, 2, 2 in the 4 prior seasons and he was well on his way to being the best player to debut after Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin and before McDavid. We also lost our only consistent threat to Ovechkin’s eventual stranglehold on the Rocket.

I agree that people are being disingenuous with their comments. He got derailed by injuries, it is what it is, and he has still carved out a really nice career, but he’s a much more interesting what if than Crosby for instance who ultimately accomplished so much as an individual regardless.

It frustrates me as well when people act oblivious about Stamkos and don’t play the what if game for him like they do with so many other players.

Yes, he’s a HOFer. But it took him a while to put his game back together. Much of his prime was derailed by injury though, not inconsistency.