TLEH
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The Jack Hughes comparisons never made sense to me at all. Completely different trajectory. Hughes was so underdeveloped physically.
2023 Jack Hughes is a great player but he's still a tier below what is expected of Bedard.
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2023 Jack Hughes is a great player but he's still a tier below what is expected of Bedard.
Enjoying watching the kid grow with each game. The best part? This is the worst version of Connor Bedard that we will see.
A player doesn't earn themselves onto the power play. That's such a youth hockey thing to say. At this level, the power play is about putting the most talented guys on the ice and finding what works. If we want to talk about earning, there are 3-4 guys that have earned themselves OFF the power play.
WarriorofTime
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Reichel and Korchinski are not the most talented guys. Especially Reichel, 0 goals and 3 assists across 93.9 minutes of powerplay time in the NHL. Korchinski's one career powerplay point thus far in his career was a drop pass inside of his own blue line that ended in a rush from Johnson who passed and then got it back from Athanasiou.
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That was due to a sh% spike, not due to anything systematic.
They were top 3 in GF/60 on the PP while being 23rd in SF/60, 27th in CF/60 and 22nd in xGF/60 on the PP.
They did have a hilarious, 17.31% sh% on the PP. So almost 2 out of every 5 shots they took went in. They were insanely lucky and didn't really cool off much til the playoffs (not that it would have made a huge difference, since much fewer penalties are called in the playoffs).
That's why they couldn't carry that performance forward the next year. It's tough to manufacture luck without manufacturing shots and chances.
What? KK is easily the most naturally skilled guy we have on the blue line. You knock KK for having 1 PPP with 26 ppm with the second unit. What is Jones excuse for 1 PPP with 52 ppm on the top unit with Bedard?
Look we know about Jones, he is not a good PP QB, never really has been. He had one good season on the PP years ago, that is the only season he ever cracked 5 goals or 20 points on the PP. He just isn't very good at it.
Jones is the better overall Dman then KK. But he doesn't have KK O skill set. KK is better skater, better in transition (ie setting up a PP) and better puck handler. The PP is were you want to let young O skilled guy flourish. Alot less think and worried about two way play. You are given free space because of it being 5 on 4. Anyway we need to try something having a guy like Bedard who can score from all over with his shot and our PP has been like crap is inexcusable. Most of the issues have been entertaining and setting up the PP. And Jones has literally been a major issue at this. If your going to have a high end O skilled Dman up at 19 you got to let him develop by actually doing things. Yes there will be some mistakes (not like we are fighting for the playoffs here) but those are also teachable moments. What we do know is Jones is a average PP QB and that likely won't change at this point.
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Korchinski can hopefully be a PP1 guy next season. He's not there right now, and so far none of those things have translated into the powerplay opportunity he has had to warrant a spot ahead of Jones... and Jones can be a scapegoat or whatever but he's still the $9.5 million guy to keep happy and motivated right now and he's not the big issue on the powerplay. No, Jones is not particularly good on the Powerplay and this year is not particularly good, at the same time, he has the 20th most Powerplay points of any NHL defenseman in the last 7 seasons. Korchinski's time will come (hopefully), this season or next. It's not the worst thing ever to have veteran presence there for now.
So basically Jones doesn't have to earn PP1 time because he is payed 9.5 and years ago he was good at it? Sorry I don't think so. Watch the damn PPs, Jones killed the PP multiple times ever shit so far this year it seems. The second unit has actually been much better at maintaining possession in the Ozone. And a lot of the difference has been between Jones vs KK. KK has been far better at transitioning into the zone and better an maintaining possession in the zone. It is not all about points totals as Jones has a lot more mins and the top guys (Bedard) with him. Biggest issue with PP1 has been getting into zone and maintaining the puck in the O zone. PP2 has been better in this regard, they just lack scoring talent to cash in.much on limited mins. But again Watch the PPs KK has been far better then Jones on the PP. Especially excuse he doesn't cough up the puck multiple times per PP.
Edit. I would also add since we are playing Bedard at a point spot, it would be better to have KK out there as a LH shot. We have 2 RH shots at the points.
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WarriorofTime
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He's "earned" it over his career (relatively speaking, bad team here)
Disagree...
Definitely not statistically.
The 2nd unit has not done a good job of maintaining zone presence and generating shots.
KK coughs up the puck plenty whether it's powerplay time or not.
Callidusblackhawk
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If we're waiting for guys on the second powerplay unit to start scoring a bunch of points on the powerplay before putting them on the first powerplay unit its going to be Bedard and a bunch of grinders on PP1 all year.
I'm still not sure why we care about "earning" a spot on the 29th ranked powerplay in the league.
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I don't think any team kicks players out of their roles after just a few games.
You lose me at he has earned it over his career. That is what loosing teams do. In sports you earn at the time or you don't. Jones has been bad every year on the PP in Chicago (and not good his last 2 in Cbus). He has a massive total of 2 ppgs in 163 games with the Hawks. I don't give a rats ass what he did years ago for some other team. All he does on the PP is cough up the puck or flips pointless wrist shots at the net before anyone gets in front of the goalie. The one then you here all the time in GDTs is WTF was Jones doing when we are on the PP. If your eyes have told you that Jones has looked better then KK on the power play, it is time for an eye appointment. Hell at this point, Jones has been so bad on the PP, that I would basically take anyone with a LH shot over Jones at this point, just so we don't have 2 RH shots out there.
The issue is it hasn't been a few games with Jones on the PP, it has been years. Most top PPs now basically play what they refer to as position-less. They skate and rotate through spots, up and down from left to right, ect. Jones just isn't effective at this.
TLEH
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Its not working so you switch it. This really isn't Seth's team or locker room anyway so not really concerned about how he "feels" about it.
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He doesn't have a goal. Imagine your top PP Dman not having a single goal. I'm sure we are one of if not the only team to have that.
I'm sorry but, when has the second unit actually PLAYED? The last 20s of a PP doesn't count.
TLEH
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I know we all saw it with Korchinski when he was on. Moving his feet, switching sides, etc. I don't think Korchinski is going to magically make this thing Top 10 even, but just switch it up. Lets atleast see what we have.
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Yeah, it doesn't look like he has the puck skills or creativity for that style of PP. It seems he would be better off having someone set him up for one timers.
Haha. I completely missed this gem. Really who the f uses 7 years as a parameter( and being 20 isn't that impressive). I know who does, a guy that is trying to manipulate stats. You had to go back 7 years to get his one great season in there were he had 7g 24a season. Why didn't you go 8 years? Didn't want that massive 1g 7a season included? How about let go like 3 years back tops, who give a shit what he did 7 years ago (which is a lifetime in hockey years). Heck some of the best PP QBs right now were even in the NHL 7 years ago. WTF, 7 years.
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Better than using WHL points or the "watch the game where I judge one guy as a promising teenager and one guy as an overpaid contract that the last GM made an ill-advised trade to chase playoffs hyper-biased eye test" or whatever else you're using.
Manipulate? The point is Jones actually does have an NHL track record. It's not HHOF stuff here, but it's a track record all the same.
OK, he falls all the way down to 22nd. Oh no, what a bum!
A lifetime? He's 29. Lol, that's still a prime age for a defensemen. Yes, the Hawks suck, somehow Jones is either immune from the effects of that or somehow the entire root cause of it? I honestly can't tell with some of you "Jones must be the whipping boy for everything" guys.
Never said Jones was "one of the best PP QBs"
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I remember people on this site claiming Q was ruining Debrincat because he wasn't in PP1 20 games in.
I never get why some think you should rush everything on a young prospect that they have to be practicing already to keep a float then out the pressure of practicing more in the 1st Pp unit and worrying there when they're trying to stay afloat and find a 5on5 footing. It'll come,
I never get why some think you should rush everything on a young prospect that they have to be practicing already to keep a float then out the pressure of practicing more in the 1st Pp unit and worrying there when they're trying to stay afloat and find a 5on5 footing. It'll come,
Malaka
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Calling jones the 20th best(or most productive) ppqb over the last 7+ years is disingenuous at best, as it is is a limited position… for those with an average of 2:00 a game or more on the powerplay(threshold should probably be 1:00-1:30 min since PP2 jumps on) he’s ranked 51st out of 81 in power play points per 60 which is probably a more reliable metric to measure production. I guess that is the same percentile if there is 1 ppqb each team, but it would leave him close toward the back or a standard deviation below average
Arguing track records is beside the point because there isn't much reason not to see what KK can do with the opportunity. If he isn't ready, so what, it's already a bottom-feeder PP and Jones can jump back into that spot, if he is ready then you're wasting reps every time Jones is there instead of him
Jones is an abysmal PP player and no stats will convince intelligent hockey minds of the opposite. Most PPs have one defenseman. So he's a bottom 10 PP defenseman, in the proper context.
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