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TLEH
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I mean there is zero doubt he’s 1OA worthy. Whether he becomes what people think is the question. 1 OA worthy is 0% a question.
And by hate I mean by the people who don’t watch film or really any game but the ND game, or maybe not even that one, and have decisive opinions or spout the latest twitter narrative. Like his dad saying he needs ownership. Like be serious.
Hopefully he gets in
DisgruntledHawkFan
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They aren’t drafting a tackle
When he retired he had the most sacks of any DT ever
Blackhawkswincup
RIP Fugu
McMichael when he retired was among top DT's statistically if not at top in several categories
Guys like Sapp, etc coming along made people forget how great he was
He was HOF worthy and is final piece of the 85 Bears worthy of enshrinement.
Guys like Sapp, etc coming along made people forget how great he was
He was HOF worthy and is final piece of the 85 Bears worthy of enshrinement.
Blackhawkswincup
RIP Fugu
Midway thru 2nd qtr Joe Flacco statline
13/18
215 yds
2 TD's
Just put Browns ahead 27-7
I so want a Browns/Ravens matchup in playoffs
13/18
215 yds
2 TD's
Just put Browns ahead 27-7
I so want a Browns/Ravens matchup in playoffs
Backyard Hockey
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Browns 11-5 with all those injuries. Stefanski should be coach of the year for sure
Sarava
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Yeah, I'm torn and keep going back and forth. When you watch his tape, you can't help but see Pat Mahomes. I see what makes some fans drool, but at the same time, there are real questions as you say.
It's going to be a lot of flip flopping for me over the next 4 months. The big thing is finding where we fall with the Panthers pick - which can still be anywhere between 1-4.
On another note... Lawrence Holmes takes on some of of the Caleb nuthuggers in this little video with Dan Bernstein.
A: The Bears were willing to move out of the top 5 last year. Trading out of the top is on the table.
B: Raiders are current picking 13th and THE only chance they have to move up to #1 is Maxx Crosby, as ndgt10 suggested. No Crosby, no deal, imo. Crosby/Sweat would be a formible duo, if the Bears went that direction.
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There is more value in trading the 1/1 than there is in trading Fields. Trade the pick, continue to build up the roster, take a guy like Penix in the 2nd/3rd round and let's go.
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TLEH
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The entire problem with his line of thinking is that Fields is not average to above average.
His passing numbers are awful.
No Fun Shogun
34-38-61-10-13-15
Not going to lie, the Browns are a helluva lot more likable without Watson on the field. Too bad Cleveland voluntarily attached that albatross around their neck.
As for the Bears, I just don’t see us trading down from first overall if we get it. I understand that Williams has question marks and you could easily make a Family Guy mystery box joke about taking him rather than staying with Fields…. But the problem is that Fields overall hasn’t shown himself to be a consistently good QB. Is that all on him? No, but even If he has a career rebound I don’t see him catapulting into elite the guy levels that would warrant sticking with a guy versus drafting a consensus first overall QB.
That all being said, this is the Bears, so things will go bad no matter who we take to develop behind center. Stick with Fields, and Williams will become a Hall of Famer. Pick Williams, and Fields will rebound and Maye will become a Hall of Famer. Bypass Williams and pick Maye, and both Williams and Fields on another team will become Hall of Famers.
As for the Bears, I just don’t see us trading down from first overall if we get it. I understand that Williams has question marks and you could easily make a Family Guy mystery box joke about taking him rather than staying with Fields…. But the problem is that Fields overall hasn’t shown himself to be a consistently good QB. Is that all on him? No, but even If he has a career rebound I don’t see him catapulting into elite the guy levels that would warrant sticking with a guy versus drafting a consensus first overall QB.
That all being said, this is the Bears, so things will go bad no matter who we take to develop behind center. Stick with Fields, and Williams will become a Hall of Famer. Pick Williams, and Fields will rebound and Maye will become a Hall of Famer. Bypass Williams and pick Maye, and both Williams and Fields on another team will become Hall of Famers.
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I do. In fact, I think it's the most likely scenario. There is at least 5 teams in the top 10 (NE, WAS, NYG, NYJ, ATL) that will be looking for new QB's this off-season. Three of those teams are likely to get aggressive in the draft (NE/WASH/ATL and maybe a wildcard team is LVR).
I think Poles is going to stick to his plan of building up this roster, and trading the #1 pick does that.
No Fun Shogun
34-38-61-10-13-15
This is probably going to be our best chance to get a QB. If we don't take Williams (or Maye), then we're tripling down on Fields (or hoping for a free agency or a worse pick miracle) and opening the team up to an absolutely enormous amount of criticism and scrutiny over sticking with a guy who I don't think anyone is afraid of other than a scramble or two per game.
That being said, given our shit track record at developing QBs, I would say that your suggestion is probably the best idea for the Bears.
That being said, given our shit track record at developing QBs, I would say that your suggestion is probably the best idea for the Bears.
And you still get a QB in this class. Willams and Maye are not the only viable QB's in this class. I personally hope they draft either Daniels or Penix.
If the organization as a while feels taking a QB (probably Caleb Williams) is the best for the future of the team, then I'll get on board but knowing Poles, up to this point, he's been about acquiring assets. He has the #1, and he see's it as an opportunity to continue to build up the roster. The Bears are still a QB away from contending. If it's not Marvin Harrison, Jr, it has to be trade down. I can live with kicking the can down the road when it comes to QB for another year.
Romang67
BitterSwede
Fields is, for some reason, getting benefit of doubt with regards to why his play is lacking that the top rated QBs in the draft aren't. It's weird.
Romang67
BitterSwede
What is this perfect infallible QB in the upcoming drafts you view as preferable to Williams or Maye? Sanders is probably QB1 in 2025 at this point, and he'd at best be QB4 in this draft.
No Fun Shogun
34-38-61-10-13-15
I don't know... trading down past multiple QBs to select a lower pick QB seems like the worst of all worlds.
I think it really depends upon how closely Poles views the potential QBs. Unless his QB #1 is a can't miss got to have him type, Poles may be willing to trade #1 (assuming they get that), move down a couple of spots, acquire some draft capital and take his #3 QB. Probably an unlikely scenario, but I'm not a fan of basically putting all your eggs in the basket on a QB at #1 unless you're positive he is the only difference maker available. Too often do the second or third QB drafted end up better, or as good, as the first taken.
I do believe that Poles having gone thru this top QB analysis last year, better prepares him for this year. Very rarely does a GM get to evaluate the top available QBs for his team two years in a row.
I do believe that Poles having gone thru this top QB analysis last year, better prepares him for this year. Very rarely does a GM get to evaluate the top available QBs for his team two years in a row.
How many times have we've seen "lower pick QB" turn out to be better than the higher pick QB? There is no guarantee that Williams/Maye will turn out to be good NFL QB's. I'm tired of trying to find a "star" QB. Just build up a roster, then plug in a guy.
DisgruntledHawkFan
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