belfour30
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I'm aware, but as of right now there are a bunch of 1 win teams and only the Panthers are winless. All it takes is one win by the Panthers and the pick goes down.
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Drafting QBs is a crap shoot. Trevor Lawrence and the 2021 QB class was supposed to be the strongest in years. Guess what happened ... it wasn't. In fact, the alleged weak 2020 QB class turned out to be awesome. Go figure?!?!
Posters are absolutely right. 2 games is not enough of a sample size to be sold on Justin Fields. However, he does have 12 games to prove himself further, Here are the things to look for:
1. His pre snap reads are getting better. However, he still needs to get rid of the ball quicker. It's always been his biggest detriment. That internal clock in the pocket. It's gotten better though.
2. Justin is throwing into tighter windows. However, he can do even a better job throwing his receivers open. That's called anticipation. That is also related to getting the ball out quicker from the pocket. He needs to trust it and rip it. I think he sees it (goes through progressions), but is hesitant to pull the trigger for some reason. It's a problem.
It will be tough to pass on Caleb Williams if we have the #1 pick ... especially because it resets the Bears QB rookie contract clock. Those are their weight in gold. HOWEVER, if Justin figures it out in the next 12 games, because of his arm strength, leadership skills, running ability, and work ethic ... we could have a superstar QB. Hence, look for anticipation and pocket presence (internal clock). Those aren't easy to improve, but if Justin does in the next 12 games, he's definitely a keeper.
Posters are absolutely right. 2 games is not enough of a sample size to be sold on Justin Fields. However, he does have 12 games to prove himself further, Here are the things to look for:
1. His pre snap reads are getting better. However, he still needs to get rid of the ball quicker. It's always been his biggest detriment. That internal clock in the pocket. It's gotten better though.
2. Justin is throwing into tighter windows. However, he can do even a better job throwing his receivers open. That's called anticipation. That is also related to getting the ball out quicker from the pocket. He needs to trust it and rip it. I think he sees it (goes through progressions), but is hesitant to pull the trigger for some reason. It's a problem.
It will be tough to pass on Caleb Williams if we have the #1 pick ... especially because it resets the Bears QB rookie contract clock. Those are their weight in gold. HOWEVER, if Justin figures it out in the next 12 games, because of his arm strength, leadership skills, running ability, and work ethic ... we could have a superstar QB. Hence, look for anticipation and pocket presence (internal clock). Those aren't easy to improve, but if Justin does in the next 12 games, he's definitely a keeper.
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I feel like you've lost the plot a bit if you want worse draft positioning for a pick you have from a different team. There's literally no downside to having a better pick.
No clue how Wash opted to take Forbes over Gonzalez. Forbes has not looked good so far.
I don't think it is wise to get too caught up in the draft after 5 games. Have to let teams get some tough and easier opponents to see where things shake down. Carolina looked bad until Rhule was fired and Wilks came in and they actually won several games. Plus, you never know about injuries as the season goes on.
I don't think it is wise to get too caught up in the draft after 5 games. Have to let teams get some tough and easier opponents to see where things shake down. Carolina looked bad until Rhule was fired and Wilks came in and they actually won several games. Plus, you never know about injuries as the season goes on.
belfour30
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Being a top 10 QB is absolutely good enough. What are we talking about?
EbonyRaptor
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I didn't phrase that correctly - I meant is it good enough for him to be between the 10th best through the 15th best. The point being if he continues to play the way he has the last 2 games then he will be in the top-10 and that would be good enough - but if he some good games and some bad games mixed in - then he won't be a top-10 QB and that won't be good enough. We need more than a middle of the pack QB so if Fields proves his ceiling is middle of the pack then I think it's time to move on and look for something better.
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Even the top 2-3 QBs in the NFL put up stinkers pretty regularly. If you have no bad games through an entire season, you're probably in contention for top 3, and the MVP.
belfour30
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Look at how great Tua has been over the first 3 weeks and then he laid an egg against Buffalo. It happens.
I want the Fields or Williams decision taken out of Poles hands. That why I don't the #1 pick.
belfour30
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It depends on how Fields plays the rest of the season. Right now it's only two games.
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IMO, Fields will be top 10 or bottom 10. There's no middle. Check out game 1-3 vs. game 4/5. He has the arm strength (improving release), incredible running ability, enough accuracy, work ethic, intelligence, and strong leadership skills to be a star IF he resolves these 2 major issues:
1. Pocket presence (internal clock ... get the ball out)
2. Anticipation throws (throwing into tight windows and throwing receivers open)
Some say it's innate. Some say the light could turn on with experience. I think #1 will improve with experience. #2 is the big question. IF Justin ever figures #2 out, he's a star in the making. It's a BIG IF though.
I haven't quantified this but it seems to me that the Bears come to the line of scrimmage with less time on the play clock than most good offenses.
That doesn't help Fields with the pre snap reads IMO
Fair enough.
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Sounds like Eberflus wants to go outside of the organization for DC. He does have ties to Rod Mirinelli from the Dallas' days.
EbonyRaptor
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I hope Fields has figured it out and he is "The One" - but the last 2 games hasn't erased the bad we've seen before and the flaws that are still evident in his game - mainly not seeing what the defense is giving him quick enough to make the best play. His physical tools are immense but if he can't consistently see and execute the best possible play he will never climb into the QB we all hope he will be.
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Agreed. It doesn't do them any favors defending the pass rush, either. Since the D knows exactly when the ball is being snapped. There's no misdirection or hard counts to worry about.
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Marvin Harrison is a real life cheat code.
And people want to draft somebody inferior to him because of need?
Good lord......
And people want to draft somebody inferior to him because of need?
Good lord......
Probably because we have a DC minded HC who wants to run the clock. Unfortunately, Justin is the type of QB who appears to play better with flow. ... quicker pace. It doesn't also help when the defense consistently gives up 12 play drives while Fields gets cold on the bench.
McVay loves to get on the LOS quickly. Gives the offense to make their pre snap reads. What did Fangio do to combat this? He disguised h8s defenses until the snap of the ball. It drove McVay and Shanahan crazy.
But yeah, better pre snap reads will help Fields get the ball out quicker. He's definitely improving in that area with experience albeit slow. Now it's about anticipation throws into tighter windows and throwing receivers open.
I agree that we need to strengthen our trenches. However, due to the hard cap, you have to look at maximizing value as well by position:
1. QB is obvious. Maximum impact on field. QB 2nd contracts are massive.
2. DLs ... especially edge rushers. However, DTs who can put pressure up the middle are rare and priceless. They get paid a ton too.
3. WRs have sky rocketed up the charts due to passing emphasis. Check out the 2nd contracts predicted for some of the best young WRs for football. It's massive. Great WRs on their 1st contract is a massive advantage. Heck , look at the potential impact of DJ Moore and his modest contract.
4. OTs ... tackles on either side who can protect the QB are incredibly valuable.
5. CBs ... a shutdown corner who can contain a #1 receiver get paid a ton.
The Bears obvious needs are WRs and DL pass rusher (3 technique and edge). I suspect the Bears transition tag Jaylon Johnson if he plays well this year (good young CBs are priceless). They'll roll the dice with Mooney with Scott on the roster and a possible high first round WR if Fields turns out to be a keeper. I want to think Braxton Jones and Darnell Wright are cheap good solutions at Tackle going forward. Darnell Wright is most likely a future pro bowler.
This is all dependent on Fields being a keeper. If so, we can draft a WR and pass rusher with our first round picks. Furthermore, they need to extend Tevin Jenkins. When healthy, the dude make a huge difference in our run and pass blocking. He proved it again against Washington.
1. QB is obvious. Maximum impact on field. QB 2nd contracts are massive.
2. DLs ... especially edge rushers. However, DTs who can put pressure up the middle are rare and priceless. They get paid a ton too.
3. WRs have sky rocketed up the charts due to passing emphasis. Check out the 2nd contracts predicted for some of the best young WRs for football. It's massive. Great WRs on their 1st contract is a massive advantage. Heck , look at the potential impact of DJ Moore and his modest contract.
4. OTs ... tackles on either side who can protect the QB are incredibly valuable.
5. CBs ... a shutdown corner who can contain a #1 receiver get paid a ton.
The Bears obvious needs are WRs and DL pass rusher (3 technique and edge). I suspect the Bears transition tag Jaylon Johnson if he plays well this year (good young CBs are priceless). They'll roll the dice with Mooney with Scott on the roster and a possible high first round WR if Fields turns out to be a keeper. I want to think Braxton Jones and Darnell Wright are cheap good solutions at Tackle going forward. Darnell Wright is most likely a future pro bowler.
This is all dependent on Fields being a keeper. If so, we can draft a WR and pass rusher with our first round picks. Furthermore, they need to extend Tevin Jenkins. When healthy, the dude make a huge difference in our run and pass blocking. He proved it again against Washington.
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What is good about having MHJ if you cannot protect the QB? If the Bears don't need to draft a QB, then yeah take Harrison. You build inside out NOT the other way around.
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